This is why the OAD rule needed to go away. As much as I hated seeing the kid go to Memphis he seemed like a good kid. Now he’s being drug through the dirt for something his parents and a University did. This kid would be in the NBA right now had there been no OAD rule and he wouldn’t be dealing with this.
Wiseman ineligible
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Penny probably bribing judges, too. Wouldn't it put it past the guy. I've heard stuff about him, over the years, from folks who know him. I haven't heard anything good. I was uneasy when Jeffries committed to us, knowing Penny had him in AAU.
Right, totally get it. Completely on board with fact that Memphis and Penny and young master Wiseman and his posse are out of sorts with the regulator . . NCAA. no loss for mental gearing there. Here's my deal. Piss on it. That same regulator has allowed so much greater direct and indirect violation of its own policies, including those intended and often previously enforced simply on the basis of general morality, that many of us could not give a rip snort if Anfernee Hardaway let any of his players on the floor with a blank personal check stapled to their butts.
Well, apparently it isn't against the rules to hire family so as much as I don't like it, that isn't any sort of violation. Zion's family didn't "get" a million dollar home but "rented" it, I have no idea for how much. That one is pretty iffy and I wish the NCAA would clarify that issue.
Yep, the Chancellor court said the TSSAA wasn't clear in the rules application.
Right, right, right . . . I get it, and you got that message . . . and we all know if those things had happened in Lexington there would have been a different message . . and you, me, them . . we would have . . . "got that" too. You're feeling me, I know you are. NCAA *** hats can go jerk themselves.
I don't know. It's pretty cut and dry. Basically Penny cheated to get him to two schools. Memphis has acknowledged the payment occurred. Paying the money back shouldn't even be an option and the NCAA knows that would be a terrible precedent to set. I guess we'll see, but for once I think the NCAA made the right call and this is a completely reasonable enforcement of the rules.
They're going to get hammered.
They keep commenting James didn't know. James wasn't aware. Why?
The first thing that came to my mind was Cam Newton. His dad shopped him and it was relevant that Cam didn't know. Auburn didn't know.
There are two problems with this defense.
1. Cam's dad shopped him to not Auburn. Cam went to Auburn. Wisesman's family was given money by a Memphis booster (Penny) and wound up at the school that would be best helped by that influence--Memphis.
2. The NCAA subsequently made a rule after all of that. Many refer to it as "The Cecil Newton rule," after Cam's father. If a parent is trying to get money or benefits in exchange for their kid's services, they're considered an agent.
They keep commenting James didn't know. James wasn't aware. Why?
The first thing that came to my mind was Cam Newton. His dad shopped him and it was relevant that Cam didn't know. Auburn didn't know.
There are two problems with this defense.
1. Cam's dad shopped him to not Auburn. Cam went to Auburn. Wisesman's family was given money by a Memphis booster (Penny) and wound up at the school that would be best helped by that influence--Memphis.
2. The NCAA subsequently made a rule after all of that. Many refer to it as "The Cecil Newton rule," after Cam's father. If a parent is trying to get money or benefits in exchange for their kid's services, they're considered an agent.
SIAP, but Bilas nailed this pretty well this morning I thought. He cited a specific NCAA bylaw that applies here - if you have a kid that we say is not eligible, and you run to a local court for some home cooking and get some sort of ruling (TRO, whatever), and you play the kid based on that, and that ruling is later overturned.....we are going to kick your ***. The bylaw actually reads that way, the NCAA will kick your ***. heh. Maybe not, but it does make certain and obvious that you play the kid in this situation at your risk. Bilas said it's "extraordinary" to play a kid in this situation.
Net net, I think Wiseman is likely done, and Memphis' season is in jeopardy.....
Net net, I think Wiseman is likely done, and Memphis' season is in jeopardy.....
Yeah. It's hilarious that they don't think a local court looks sketchy. You think the Memphis judge aint a Memphis fan? C'mon Penny stop playin.
He's so arrogant. He got 1 star kid (THAT HE CHEATED FOR) and he's talking like he's passed Cal in recruiting. Now he thinks he's THAT smart.
Someone needs to refresh their browser. Or does the SIAP apply to even your own posts?
ha! Not sure how that happened. It wasn't such a good post as to deserve saying twice. heh.....
If the sum total of the violation is Penny helping him move, that is beyond ridiculous. Was it carrying boxes, or paying for the movers, plane tickets, what? If the latter, levy a fine, and a couple games and be done with it. NCAA is a joke. Ban a player for that, and let years of academic fraud go unpunished.
So you don't mind that Penny paid 12K to get him to Memphis for his AAU team then parlayed that into a coaching position with Memphis with Wiseman in his back pocket? Come on man.
I paid a mover $500 to move me across town. In what world does it cost $11.5K even across state lines?
He moved from the Duke guest-house, lots of stairs in that home.
After Kanter I stopped caring. He was willing to pay the money back and they never let him play one game for us.
Really. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. The NCAA ruled Kanter ineligible so let's let Penny get away with breaking the rules. Nice take.
My brother-in-law is big wig for Two Men and a Truck, and those moving expenses would make him blush.
Admittedly, I didn't the particulars. Just that he "helped him move". I'll shut up until I know more.
Yep . . that's my take. And I'll note that the Kanter ruling (bad as that remains in memory) occurred before the NCAA allowed unccheat to get away with 2 decades of running a fraudulent curriculum for the purpose of maintaining fraudulent eligibility. I just no longer have it in me to see almost any form of ruling by the NCAA as just, since AFTER that occurred. And the number of additional scandals by UNC men's basketball while that was being fraudulently investigated, never with the intention of seeking truth to support proper judicial determination, always for the purpose of simply appearing diligent while knowing the special treatment outcome all the while . . . those additional scandals, ignored throughout, wheels for heels as just one, would have been plenty to get UK players declared ineligible on the basis of impermissible benefits. Yet simply . . . poof. Nothing to see here. behold chapel Hill. There will be something else to get everyone to focus on soon enough. Oh look . . . there's a school in Kentucky we need to take a national title away from . . . there's a player in Tennessee who must be ineligible . . . both programs with recent connection to former UK head basketball coaches . . .
They weren't going to allow him to pay that money back. Nossir. The NCAA had already spent WAY more that that on travel expenses alone, that big team of investigators they sent to Turkey, an envoy, likely armed with hired interpreters, just to get to the bottom, or near enough to it, concerning this quality recruit, now at Lexington.
If you could move just two families a week that’s 23k a week, a nifty 1.1m a year business. 276k per year for me and three in this thread to lift furniture, Rafters Relocators.
Deion Sanders has emerged as a serious candidate to become the new head coach at his Alma mater Florida State. He had better think long and hard before accepting if offered. The scrutiny will be overwhelming. I know that Florida State is in desperation mode but all it takes is one...
Well, I mentioned because they mentioned Wiseman paying the money back and being ok so not sure what the difference is. Money taken against the rues is money taken against the rules.
They dont care about Wiseman, they hate the NCAA. They just want to run opposite of anything the NCAA does.
Good points. The fact is both Penny and the parents knew. So what if Wiseman didn't know. (and i doubt that). Penny is the coach of Memphis now and he knew. And one reason he may be the coach at Memphis is because he could bring Wiseman. It all stinks and James Wiseman should sit out of college just like Enes Kanter did.
The real question now is "When will the racist call be made"? We know its coming!!!