Wisconsins Defense

jb1010

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Wisconsin's DE against top 10 offenses this year:

1.29...Duke (#3)
1.22...Arizona (#7)
1.20...Indiana (#8)
1.20...North Carolina (#10)

Overall, they have a 1.16 defensive efficiency. That is not good.

We should be able to score ... If we can play any type of defense, we should not only win, but cover the -5 spread.
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sonnyg333

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I'm worried about that flopping Frank getting Towns in foul trouble in the first 10 seconds of the game.
 
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Originally posted by C8TS:
Wisconsin's DE against top 10 offenses this year:

1.29...Duke (#3)
1.22...Arizona (#7)
1.20...Indiana (#8)
1.20...North Carolina (#10)

Overall, they have a 1.16 defensive efficiency. That is not good.

We should be able to score ... If we can play any type of defense, we should not only win, but cover the -5 spread.
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What was their offensive efficiency in those games?

That's the concern. There's no doubt we are going to put up points against them. It's much like ND.......can we outscore them?

We are going to find out Saturday.
 

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I have zero doubt that they are going to put points on the board.

We are going to have to outscore them.

I believe we are going to do it. Maybe not by many points, but by enough.
 

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Originally posted by C8TS:
Wisconsin's DE against top 10 offenses this year:

1.29...Duke (#3)
1.22...Arizona (#7)
1.20...Indiana (#8)
1.20...North Carolina (#10)

Overall, they have a 1.16 defensive efficiency. That is not good.

We should be able to score ... If we can play any type of defense, we should not only win, but cover the -5 spread.
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Indiana scored 32 points in the final 10 minutes of that game. That was after UW took a 32 point lead with 10:40 to go. UW held them to a much lower scoring clip when the game was actually a contest. I don't think UW is the first team in the country to take its foot off of the defensive pedal with the game completely out of reach. Of course, all of the buckets count, but I don't think Indiana scoring lots of points in the last few minutes of an already-decided game would give you a reflection of the type of defensive effort you're going to see from Wisconsin in this game.

Duke was unconscious, and UW didn't play particularly good defense that night. North Carolina, too, probably had its best game of the year, turning the ball over only 4 times (weird for UNC, but not weird against Wisconsin, who doesn't force many turnovers) and shooting an unusually good percentage from 3 (sub-30 percent 3-point shooter Justin Jackson made all 3 of his, and poor shooter Joel Berry knocked in 2 of his 3). I don't think the UW defense was particularly poor in that game. UNC just made an unusual number of contested jumpshots.

Arizona took advantage of UW some, and compiled those gaudy PPP numbers mostly at the line in the 2nd half (28-30 from the FT line). Not very typical for a Wisconsin team to allow that many free throws, but Arizona did a pretty good job forcing the issue.

With that said, the season-long numbers indicate that this is not one of Bo Ryan's best clubs defensively. Of course, it hasn't had to be because they've touted probably the best offense in the history of college basketball. I think the Duke game is probably the best example of UW's inadequacies, but one has to wonder whether Kentucky can make a gazillion shots like Duke did. With a PPP number like Duke had, you'd expect there to have been a lot of dunks and layups. That wasn't the case, weirdly.

Where this game will turn on that end of the court will be in whether Kentucky decides to play to its strength, which is feeding the post with Towns, or whether it decides to do what it sometimes does (in my view, inexplicably) playing away from Towns, and letting the Harrisons take lots of low-efficiency shots. UW has a way of baiting teams into long 2-pointers that look open, but aren't particularly good shots. UK has a propensity for taking these shots, even when it should be dumping the ball into its elite post players.
 
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Originally posted by Smashcat:
I'm certainly not worried if we bring our best. Was far more concerned with ND.
This is curious - why do you think that way? They are similar in that they can spread the floor, which has proved to be one (maybe the only effective) way to score against us. But they are just as skilled, just as experienced, and bigger. I will say I had not been as impressed with Wisconsin like I was watching Notre Dame in the second half of its game against Wichita State. Wichita State impressed me as a tough, have to kill them kind of team - and ND put on a clinic. That's the first time I was worried about playing them. Wisconsin had looked fairly unimpressive - until it's second half against Arizona, anyway. Now I'm worried about them, too.....heh.....
 

jb1010

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^ Notre Dame is much quicker. Why do people say that the teams are similar? I don't see it at all.
Notre Dame has athletes that can get to the rim. Wisconsin has more size with Kaminsky, Dekker and Hayes.
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dlh331

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LOL at this guy thinking Wisconsin has the best offense in college history. Did you ever see Loyola Marymount play?
UCLA under Wooden; any of the great UK teams that averaged nearly 100 ppg?

How about 1996 UK that hung 86 points up on LSU in the 1st half. The Badgers don't have a single player that would
have started for that UK team.

Don't let that offensive efficiency thing dull your senses.

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Anyone noticed how soft Kaminsky plays around the rim on D? Hope Towns is practicing going straight up and toward the rim strong because he should be able to score a lot if just doesn't worry about getting it blocked. They foul so little, all our guys needs to drive it hard often and don't worry about blocks!
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Originally posted by C8TS:
^ Notre Dame is much quicker. Why do people say that the teams are similar? I don't see it at all.
Notre Dame has athletes that can get to the rim. Wisconsin has more size with Kaminsky, Dekker and Hayes.

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Only because they both have white guys who can shoot.

The similarities begin and end there in reality, however. ND has elite level guards, probably one of the best backcourts in the country. Wisconsin's guards are steady, but I'd be shocked if any of Gasser, Koenig, or Jackson even sniff the NBA draft someday.


Everything for Wisconsin comes from their 3-5 positions. If those guys aren't hitting at a high clip, UK takes the game Saturday by 4 to 5 possessions.
 

YouKay

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Originally posted by BigBlueManSouthCentralKY:
Anyone noticed how soft Kaminsky plays around the rim on D? Hope Towns is practicing going straight up and toward the rim strong because he should be able to score a lot if just doesn't worry about getting it blocked. They foul so little, all our guys needs to drive it hard often and don't worry about blocks!
Should be plenty of poster opportunities for Towns, WCS, Lyles, Lee, even Johnson. I also think Andrew will shoot about 20 free throws.
 

jb1010

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Kentucky should be able to score against them.

On the other side of the ball, UK struggles against quick guards that can get to the rim. Wisconsin doesn't have that. They are good offensively and don't turn the ball over much, but UK usually plays better defense against these type of teams.
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TheDude73

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Originally posted by C8TS:
Kentucky should be able to score against them.

On the other side of the ball, UK struggles against quick guards that can get to the rim. Wisconsin doesn't have that. They are good offensively and don't turn the ball over much, but UK usually plays better defense against these type of teams.
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As someone said above, Wisconsin's offensive efficiency is obviously great, and for me it's going to be something I'm curious to see if it actually carries into our game. I say this because we all know Wisconsin is amazingly patient in their half court - hence the #1 o-efficiency. But I'm wondering if they might come in so juiced for this re-match, and this time the same team that was the favorite last year is the underdog, against a possibly-mega-historic team, that they may try to rush things or not be as "efficient". This risk of them rushing more than they're used to goes up with our non-stop on-ball M2M defense. If we can keep the pressure on for the entire shot clock and make them settle instead of allowing them to reward their patience with a quick open look, I think we might crush that offensive efficiency stat to death.

The key for us to really jump on these guys is to play the best defensive game from every.single.player that we have played all year. Then add 25% more intensity to that. They won't be able to stop us from scoring (assuming we're at least hitting our season averages), so clamp the hell down and take this thing home.

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Son_Of_Saul

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Really surprised Wisconsin fans are downplaying how Jackson, the best player in the Duke game, is now about 1/4th the player he was then.
 

mjj_2K

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Wisconsin's D is not good, but they make up for it in a few ways. They play a lower-possession game, don't turn the ball over, don't give up transition points, and don't allow many offensive rebounds. What that generally adds up to is that they prevent big runs by the opposition. Yeah, you can score on them, but you end up doing so in a halfcourt to halfcourt game. They are generally good enough on the offensive end to beat you at that. I wish Cal would try to really force them into a faster game, but that's just not his style.

It's going to be very hard for UK to create any real separation. Wisconsin's biggest loss in the last 2 years was by 13 to Minnesota last year, a game in which they were slumping (it came after losses to Indiana and Michigan). Creating any kind of cushion will take sustained focus on the defensive end, forcing Wisconsin into empty trips for 5-6 possessions in a row. Do that a couple of different times in the game, and UK will win with relative ease, because Wisconsin is not going to be able to stop UK from scoring.
 

spotter34

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I can't wait to see how Wisconsin's guards handle the pressure they'll see from Ulis.

I've admired Wisconsin's disciplined offense all season. They are fundamentally sound in what they do and it will be a challenge to defend them but I think we can. They have not seen a defense like we have. Sure we struggled against ND but a lot of that was due to us losing focus and them having 2 extremely quick guards. Wisconsin doesn't have that. The key will be WCS on Deker and Lyles on Hayes. Neither of our guys played against Wisconsin last year. Kaminsky will get his but we have 3 guys we can throw at him. Dakari played him well last year as did Lee. Towns should be able to stay with him but he has to play smart.

Wisconsin hit 10-12 threes in the 2nd half against Arizona and quite a few of them were really tough shots. They still only won by 7. They'll be fortunate to hit that many 3's against us the whole game.
 

Dutycat

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We really need to be ahead with 3-5 minutes to go. A free throw contest at the end is too risky with wisky.
 

canebreak

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Originally posted by spotter34:

I can't wait to see how Wisconsin's guards handle the pressure they'll see from Ulis.

I've admired Wisconsin's disciplined offense all season. They are fundamentally sound in what they do and it will be a challenge to defend them but I think we can. They have not seen a defense like we have. Sure we struggled against ND but a lot of that was due to us losing focus and them having 2 extremely quick guards. Wisconsin doesn't have that. The key will be WCS on Deker and Lyles on Hayes. Neither of our guys played against Wisconsin last year. Kaminsky will get his but we have 3 guys we can throw at him. Dakari played him well last year as did Lee. Towns should be able to stay with him but he has to play smart.

Wisconsin hit 10-12 threes in the 2nd half against Arizona and quite a few of them were really tough shots. They still only won by 7. They'll be fortunate to hit that many 3's against us the whole game.
Actually, I kinda thought they were open on most of those shots. I saw Arizona leave their man for a double team and they left shooters wide open. There were some very difficult shots made. But just as many wide open looks. And Arizona was significantly under sized. Significantly.