WIN/FAIL: Just reviewed the game tape and stats

[anon1787432961]

FAIL: Vandy's offensive game plan
Vandy obviously thought that after watching the Auburn game they would put a scheme to test run coverage by our linebackers and defensive backs and go with the HUNH (hurry up no huddle). Ended up costing them the game in the 4th quarter - their linemen were exhausted on both sides of the ball.

FAIL: Vandy's QB Smith
Worse passer than Madkin. And that's saying something.

WIN: MSU Defense
Our linebackers and had the bulk of the tackles, which is both good and bad. Kyle Love and Pernell McPhee had a handful of key stops as well, some dominating plays. By the numbers not enough tackles were made by our linemen which will be a season long concern. KJ Wright played a hell of a game last night, gets my most improved from last week.

WIN & FAIL: Zack Smith
Say what you will about Zach Smith but he has been #1 and #2 in tackles in our last 2 SEC affairs. He doesn't dominate his position and teams test him - he makes some good plays and he makes some bad ones. Like mentioned, he is indeed like Morgan when all other positions have their men on lock down he makes good solid hits, but has the potential to get burned on isolated coverage. He is in the middle of being a linebacker and a defensive back, good at the middle ground of those two positions but not a top SEC type player in just one position.

WIN: Vandy's defense for 3 Quarters, particularly the 1st Quarter
Vandy's defense is good as usual, we got punked in Q1. They just didn't have the depth needed to compete with us for 4 quarters. It shows the depth level of the programs - we aren't in the tank with two feet but we still have one foot in there.

WIN & FAIL: Tyson Lee as our starting QB, Relf as the backup
Lee is more composed and a better passer but damn if he didn't show a few poor decisions and hold on to the ball too long several times, obviously at the end of the half. Relf needs more SEC PT to improve - he looked like Tebow against JSU and looked lost and like a liability in the last 2 SEC games.

WIN & FAIL: Anthony Dixon
Win going north and south. Fail going east and west. Take a note from Ducre' here AD. Lean forward young man.

FAIL: Elliot
In his lone touch, he certainly didn't shine. Toughen up Mr. Elliot.

WIN: Ducre' and Berry and Brauchle
Damn I am glad to have these 3 men on our team this year. That is all.

#woof#

 

[anon1787432961]

FAIL: Vandy's offensive game plan
Vandy obviously thought that after watching the Auburn game they would put a scheme to test run coverage by our linebackers and defensive backs and go with the HUNH (hurry up no huddle). Ended up costing them the game in the 4th quarter - their linemen were exhausted on both sides of the ball.

FAIL: Vandy's QB Smith
Worse passer than Madkin. And that's saying something.

WIN: MSU Defense
Our linebackers and had the bulk of the tackles, which is both good and bad. Kyle Love and Pernell McPhee had a handful of key stops as well, some dominating plays. By the numbers not enough tackles were made by our linemen which will be a season long concern. KJ Wright played a hell of a game last night, gets my most improved from last week.

WIN & FAIL: Zack Smith
Say what you will about Zach Smith but he has been #1 and #2 in tackles in our last 2 SEC affairs. He doesn't dominate his position and teams test him - he makes some good plays and he makes some bad ones. Like mentioned, he is indeed like Morgan when all other positions have their men on lock down he makes good solid hits, but has the potential to get burned on isolated coverage. He is in the middle of being a linebacker and a defensive back, good at the middle ground of those two positions but not a top SEC type player in just one position.

WIN: Vandy's defense for 3 Quarters, particularly the 1st Quarter
Vandy's defense is good as usual, we got punked in Q1. They just didn't have the depth needed to compete with us for 4 quarters. It shows the depth level of the programs - we aren't in the tank with two feet but we still have one foot in there.

WIN & FAIL: Tyson Lee as our starting QB, Relf as the backup
Lee is more composed and a better passer but damn if he didn't show a few poor decisions and hold on to the ball too long several times, obviously at the end of the half. Relf needs more SEC PT to improve - he looked like Tebow against JSU and looked lost and like a liability in the last 2 SEC games.

WIN & FAIL: Anthony Dixon
Win going north and south. Fail going east and west. Take a note from Ducre' here AD. Lean forward young man.

FAIL: Elliot
In his lone touch, he certainly didn't shine. Toughen up Mr. Elliot.

WIN: Ducre' and Berry and Brauchle
Damn I am glad to have these 3 men on our team this year. That is all.

#woof#

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I'm surprised you had to reach back to Madkin to find a bad passer for comparison. Or maybe Smith is still a better passer than everyone we've had at State since Madkin (except for Fant).

 

[Rabid]

Compared to some that have come through here since him.

It's amazing how untrue silly notions stick to some people's minds.

 

[FlabLoser]

When you run a 3-man front, you don't have a lot of tackles be linemen. Heck, the noseguard's primary job is to occupy 2 blockers.

 

[anon1787432961]

I chose Madkin because he made bad passes when we had great teams. He also had key drops by his WR's. I realize that.

Fant was awful and there were a few more on that list but had Madkin's position was a missing link, with the talent he had on both sides of the ball. A good QB should not make any bad passes, or less than 1-2 each game. Madkin must have averaged a dozen per game.

He wasn't the worst but relative to the teams he played with, it would have been damn nice to see a solid pocket passer back there.

 

[Mjoelner]

WIN & FAIL: Zack Smith
Say what you will about Zach Smith but he has been #1 and #2 in tackles in our last 2 SEC affairs. He doesn't dominate his position and teams test him - he makes some good plays and he makes some bad ones. Like mentioned, he is indeed like Morgan when all other positions have their men on lock down he makes good solid hits, but has the potential to get burned on isolated coverage. He is in the middle of being a linebacker and a defensive back, good at the middle ground of those two positions but not a top SEC type player in just one position.

Mostly FAIL: That many tackles means that he is being thrown at a LOT and completions are being made. Last night he had a clear bead on the QB but held up 1 step short instead of driving on for the sack. The QB immedieatly floated 4 steps to his right and threw the ball as Zach was trying to get started again.

WIN & FAIL: Tyson Lee as our starting QB, Relf as the backup
Lee is more composed and a better passer but damn if he didn't show a few poor decisions and hold on to the ball too long several times, obviously at the end of the half. Relf needs more SEC PT to improve - he looked like Tebow against JSU and looked lost and like a liability in the last 2 SEC games.

Mostly FAIL: Relf's passing, as bad as it is, is still a larger threat than Lee's running. Lee is a more composed passer IF no one from the defense crosses the line of scrimmage. After that, all bets are off and he goes to pieces and can't make up for it with his legs. Coupled with the fact that our O-line can't stop defenses from getting in the backfield with someone that is not an SEC caliber ball carrier and you end up with an undersized QB running around in circles instead of throwing it away or gaining positive yardage. You can't teach size and toughness but you can teach passing. Much more upside with Relf. By the way, their passing stats aren't that different so I simply don't see the arguement.

Edited for spelling.

 

[anon1787432961]

His name is Willie Blade and no one stopped Wille Blade.

 

[MSUCostanza]

To be just a "good" QB, you have to be Joe Montana?

Madkin was not a great QB, but he made some huge plays in his career. We never go to Atlanta if not for his performance in the Arkansas game.

 

[VirgilCain]

1. I think if Vandy had a decent passing QB they would have beat us... maybe bad. Their running scheme was all they could run. Did you see in the 2nd half when they took some shots down the field? They had anybody and everybody wide open but the throws were anywhere from 5-30 yards off target, their QB made Relf look like Dan Marino.
-also, why make an acronym if you never use it again (HUNH).

2. Somewhat disagree about Dixon. I think he should get at least 70% of the carries and let Ducre and Stallworth split the rest. Dixon's running ability was the only thing we had going in the 1st half.... every else sucked balls, especially "Taking a Deuce" Robert Elliott. I almost put a coffee table into my TV when he fumbled the ball on the 5 yard line... sit his *** for another year to hopefully get over his acute fumble-itis.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

I quit reading after the Madkin comment.

/You Madkin haters 17ing kill me...

 

[jbulldog]

nm

 

[bulldogbaja]

it was without a doubt the running game.</p>

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I think Auburn came in prepared to pass, Heaven opened up, and they did not have to.

Why ever throw it when your having the success that they had?

 

[anon1787432961]

17 retards. How many pass attempts were his fault? Q freakin shitload. Way too many for an SEC QB.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Why all the hate for #9? He gave 10,000% every week with only moderate ability, and won a lot of freaking games. And aGAIN, his play got us to Atlanta in that Arkansas game.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

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[Faustdog]

And seriously. With all of the ****** quarterbacks we've had, I have no idea why anyone would choose Madkin to be the quarterback to bash.

 

[McMeat]

at Madkin. The rest of your analysis loses all credibility after that comment. </p>

 

[Rebheaded Stranger]

That guy made Madkin and Henig look like Brady and Montana.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

"Worse passer than <span style="text-decoration:line-through">Madkin</span> Fur Boy". There, I fixed it for you. You need to dust off your collection of video tapes and watch Madkin work. Maybe not Joe Montana but he saved our butts countless times. I would take him in a heart beat for this team today.

 

[Faustdog]

York was probably the worst. I think I heard he's some kind of minister now at Jackson mega-church Pinelake.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

nm

 

[FlabLoser]

But to be fair, his sr year was as underwhelming as his jr year was overwhelming.

 

[SWANE333]

"FAIL: Elliot
In his lone touch, he certainly didn't shine. Toughen up Mr. Elliot."

That fumble was in no way on him. The quarterback made an awful decision in giving him the pitch. The option was well defended and Tyson did nothing to indicate that he may keep the ball. He set the defender up to make a spectacular play and Elliot is getting the blame for it.

 

[formerpolkie]

He had the ball, ran four yards prior to contact, got hit and stripped of the ball. Lee put him in position to lose 4 yards. The running back is completely responsible for the fumble. If you give me bad directions and I get a speeding ticket, I guess it is your fault for putting me in a bad position.

 

[Coach34]

Mullen agreed it was Elliot's fault- his *** didnt play another down after HIS fumble