For you Knight Dhift: You need to check yourself at the door before passing your faux outrage and sucking up to the Rivals site moderator. Harsh criticisms are only harsh for those who always got a trophy even when they didn’t deserve them. Not talking about young children . Talking about those who have reached adulthood.
Wimsatt tips off pass plays
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The read option is the key for Gavin and Simon. If they can keep the D honest then an entirely different game opens up. With Ciarrocca calling plays I believe this can be a productive offense but this O line and our TE’s still need work in order to be successful. Who will enter the portal ? That is another question going forward. Definitely O line is most vulnerable.
I think Simon would probably have a hard time navigating an option system that requires the QB to run somewhat regularly. Just not his game. He’s certainly been more accurate than Wimsatt throwing the ball to this point, but with the style we’re leaning towards not being a runner as a QB would be very limiting.
If one is not seeing it, especially in the second half, not sure what youre looking at.
That in no way means the coaches dont see it, or dont try to correct it. They very well may be. We dont know, but it certainly was occurring.
The premise that some error doesnt occur because the coaches would have corrected it makes no sense- that presumes there would be mistake free football. And errors and tells occur all the time. And the idea that someone posting an observation based on analysis is incorrect because it is on a message board- is also flawed. It could be an observation from nick saban or a fan who watches without an eye to errors, corrections or cause- the observation is either correct or flawed. And the presumptions both ways- that the staff is always wrong or one must have no analysis experience or background because they observe an error that repeats, appear to just try to support other arguments. Just watch the tape, especially the second half.
That in no way means the coaches dont see it, or dont try to correct it. They very well may be. We dont know, but it certainly was occurring.
The premise that some error doesnt occur because the coaches would have corrected it makes no sense- that presumes there would be mistake free football. And errors and tells occur all the time. And the idea that someone posting an observation based on analysis is incorrect because it is on a message board- is also flawed. It could be an observation from nick saban or a fan who watches without an eye to errors, corrections or cause- the observation is either correct or flawed. And the presumptions both ways- that the staff is always wrong or one must have no analysis experience or background because they observe an error that repeats, appear to just try to support other arguments. Just watch the tape, especially the second half.
You don't remember the Schiano quote?
"Two things every American male thinks he can do,.work a grill and coach football."
Funny and apt quote. Many think they can.
But there are some who can actually do both!
Go watch the first drive of the 4 th qrtr for the obvious-leaning back before the snap on pass plays and watching live was calling run or pass pre snap not every play but there and recall from last year too.
But there are some who can actually do both!
Go watch the first drive of the 4 th qrtr for the obvious-leaning back before the snap on pass plays and watching live was calling run or pass pre snap not every play but there and recall from last year too.
Funny how you are getting attacked by a person who's killed Boone and Cashman for at least 3 straight seasons for a variety of game decisions and team building options. Yet you are blasted , unforking real.
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#FREESHEPHERD #FREESHEPHARD #FREESHEEPHERD #FREESHEPPARD.. whatever...
Wimsatt has made progress since the season ended and there is another 4 months to the preseason to improve further. There's a reason he was a 4-star prospect.. he can "get there". I am more concerned with WRs getting timing down, running accurate routes, making the right reads and adjustments and actually catching the ball... but they can "get there" also.
Wimsatt has made progress since the season ended and there is another 4 months to the preseason to improve further. There's a reason he was a 4-star prospect.. he can "get there". I am more concerned with WRs getting timing down, running accurate routes, making the right reads and adjustments and actually catching the ball... but they can "get there" also.
No , I do… doesn’t mean we have to agree or disagree… another one… Greg , as we all know is sometimes over stated. A nice guy , tough task master , stubborn , a pretty decent D guy, terrible O guy , loves his players but will probably fall on his Scarlet Knight sword before admitting he has a very tough job ahead . Has to show vast improvement this year. Not necessarily a winning record but the ability to prove “ we ‘re close , we’re getting there”. Year 6 will be the barometer IMHO. Put up or shut up.This is now I believe a very able staff who still is missing parts after this spring. Can we make some serious portal pick ups like the rest of the B1G? I have loved Rutgers since 1967 … seen some good , bad and ugly things so before I give up the good fight … can we please win one freaking legit championship in football, basketball ?
LMFAO, I thought you had me on block? Just pointing out the hypocrisy,but I knew it would be over you're head. How did you know I was talking about you? After all Shortbus,you just called out someone for doing exactly what you do. Truly comical.
Please, please listen to Schiano's post scrimmage press conference. You my find out why he could not throw the ball 50 yds.
Your not pointing out anything. Your first and only post on this thread was just to take a jab at me. How did I know it was about me. Easy. I'm not a dumb *** like you!LMFAO, I thought you had me on block? Just pointing out the hypocrisy,but I knew it would be over you're head. How did you know I was talking about you? After all Shortbus,you just called out someone for doing exactly what you do. Truly comical.
But,but, but you crowed about how you blocked me, I'm so confused. Actually it was towards anyone who feels only they can take shots at coaches or GM's then ridicules those that do the same. I hate those that think only their opinions matter. That guy tried to defend his point, but you and "others" would have none of it.Clearly you define yourself as a person who does just that. First off I was pleased to catch you in a lie about blocking and encouraging others to do the same to make life easier, only to be caught selling total ********. Then when you volunteered I was talking about you and only you, I went with it,lol. You really need to tighten up the double standard of only a select few can criticize. Okay, now back on the bus the comedy show you star in is on to the next tour location. See you in that other thread at some point this season, but I see you have already spread that stain in our thread a couple of times, totally unprovoked.
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How do you know he’s made progress?
How do you know our Wide Receivers can “get there”
How much of it is based on talent and speed or where they’d be on the depth chart of other Big 10 teams?
I never crowed about blocking you! I've never blocked anyone. WTF are you talking about? ******** you are so f-ing stupid
So- I just watched for the first time- in the first drive, no lean one way or another that changes. 2nd and 3rd drive- only on both 3rd and longs, there was a slight lean a split second before the snap and both were obvious passing downs anyway and I would guess this is most likely common all across football.
Stupid thread
Stupid thread
1 You can see Wimsatt has made progress.. can't you?
2 That is more of a hope but with a young WR corps you'd hope they have more upside. Besides, for number 1, the obvious progress made by Wimsatt, he had to have WRs in teh right place at the right time. Last year was so bad in the passing game that any success is a sign of improvement
3 Don't know, don't care. It is what we have and what we have MUST show some kind of a threat in the passing game. Hell.. I think they need to show they can complete the damn SCREEN PASS because we need that badly. We have good RBs.. the pass should be easy to make and it would help slow down the pass rush.
Bottom line.. it seems we have simplified things for QB and WR. Simple 3-step drop.. make a quick decision to throw or run or throw it away. That will help the QB as well as the receivers and slow down the pass rush. Can they complete a high percentage of passes? In poor conditions they threw around 50%.. which matched all of last year including all games.. we threw for 48.5% in Big Ten games last year. I think that is a sign of progress. If conditions were better would it have been 60% which would be a middle-of-the-pack passing game? That's where we need to be.
They actually showed a QB rolling toward his throwing arm instead of away from it... while the play-action all said LEFT, QB rolled right. I know it sounds odd that this stood out.. but that is how bad things have been.
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Speaking of (intentionally) ill informed---a poster notes leans in first half drives (but passing downs anyway LOL)
But omits specifically noted 2nd half and 4qrtr long drive where results were obvious.
Non of that means Wimsatt cant improve and get the job done, especially w Brown and Monangai. Those two and Langan will open things up for him.
But again the idea that RU (and other teams) do not have tells that are noticeable is laughable, and the bald faced assertion speaks to lack of coaching or analysis experience (but is however in line w message board only experience).
But omits specifically noted 2nd half and 4qrtr long drive where results were obvious.
Non of that means Wimsatt cant improve and get the job done, especially w Brown and Monangai. Those two and Langan will open things up for him.
But again the idea that RU (and other teams) do not have tells that are noticeable is laughable, and the bald faced assertion speaks to lack of coaching or analysis experience (but is however in line w message board only experience).
If he does, then Redrich may be right about Shepherd (or perhaps Gavin Rupp) starting by Nov. Last year by mid Sept we were down two QBs, how quickly folks forget.
I've seen Schiano in action, and one out of two ain't bad, he can sure work a grill.
There is ALWAYS somebody on offense who will tip run/pass. You definitely don't want it to be your QB. Haven't watched the SG vid yet so can't comment. In my playing days I usually checked the stance of the biggest, fattest lineman for keys to what was coming and many centers have a tell on ball snap. Those 2 things are a huge head start for a DB.
If the OP is correct ,who says the coaches don't see it as well? Don't think the OP said otherwise. Who's to say it wasn't the first note on the film.
Just a thought
I've watched the tape. He wasn't tipping his plays. Certainly not like the OP said everytime.
Right now there are players in the NFL that have tells. In college, because of the limited practice time, coaches don't have the time to find, correct, or exploit all or any, player tells.
This is also why college football does not have near the number of plays on offense, or fronts, coverages, audibles, or blitzes on defense.
This is also why college football does not have near the number of plays on offense, or fronts, coverages, audibles, or blitzes on defense.
I noticed that last year. Seems very obvious.
If he had proper coaching in high school this wouldn't be an issue now. It's telling as to how much ground there is to make up.
If he had proper coaching in high school this wouldn't be an issue now. It's telling as to how much ground there is to make up.
Yeah on obvious passing downs the LT and often the RT are often leaning back too.
Some tells are very subtle. Once you see it, it's Like a billboard. Glaringly obvious to him could be no big deal for you. I'm guessing he saw something that made him create a thread. Like I said earlier, I haven't seen the tape. I'll withhold judgement till I do.
They aren't subtle. He lines up differently often but it's not a tell because he doesn't do it consistently for both the run and pass. It's random. He doesn't do the same everytime for runs or the pass.
Don't waste your breath, the experts have spoken,lol
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in the 3rd and long(obvious pass plays) his slightest of leans was as the ball was being snapped. If you are a DL and your eyes are on the QB at that exact time- you only see the blue of the sky. Just saying...they do not play in slow motion reply time.
The frustrating thing is that we don’t even need him to be great to have a pretty good team. It sounds like the defense will be really solid. To be decent, we just need him to be average and we’re not sure if we can get that from him or any QB on our roster.
I will disagree in a certain way... and that is, defenses did not need to read run/pass last year.. not for a few years. They played run and if we'd pass it was fine because we were so very bad at it. So they did run-blitz and if it wasn't a run they were already in the backfield for a pass rush.
Our inability to hit quick slants or outs or seam routes to TEs or even screen passes provided a huge safety net for any defense. Just play run. Why do you think Pacheco did better in the NFL than he did at Rutgers? Particularly at KC.. defenses have to honor the threat of the pass and the QB first. At Rutgers.. teams have been playing run-first and always and we have not been capable of punishing them for it. Oh.. and running on 90% of first down plays (not an actual stat I looked up) did not help much.
DL are not the guys that need the edge for the most part. Their game is controlling real estate and gap discipline. An LB or DB can tip them off to what's up and give a pass rush advantage if there is a tell.
From what I'm seeing here my guess is that Gavin is shifting his weight and not really moving as a give away. Easy fix if he's aware.
I will change it to defense rather than DL- the only time the kid is leaning back is 3rd and long and obvious pass play. So, unless Rutgers is going to try to trick them with a run on 3rd and 7+ - it ain’t changing a thing. Did not see any difference in his stance on any other situation