Wimsatt qbr

[mikebal9]

QBR is a good indicator, but I don't even need it to see that GW has improved significantly from last year. His basic command of the offense, poise, and decision making are (to my untrained eye) light-years ahead of last year. Is he where he needs to be? No, not yet. But my goodness, if you can't see that he's heading in the right direction, you're just looking for things to criticize.

 

[shields]

Watching games yesterday I saw delay of game penalties. Has Gavin had one?

 

[RU Husky]

GW is not an RPO QB. He looks uncomfortable doing anything but hand off. His runs are Wildcat or resulting from scrambling. He rarely if ever runs an option where he is actually an option. Plays are slow developing, predictable and , for a decent defense, easy to defend. Wisky will be a lot tougher to run on than Wagner- more like Michigan. For RU to have any chance of winning Gavin will have to be on target and remain error free in the passing game. Having said all that, I agree that he is much improved- that's how raw he was.

 

[T2Kplus20]

RU is in bottom 10 for passing out of 133 teams
Out of 100 QBs Wimsatt isn't even in the data
He's young and he isn't throwing INTs all over the place but he's not chasing the Heisman any time soon

cfbstats.com - 2023 National Player Leaders

He's not throwing INTs because coaches are not letting him throw most passes yet. Our passing game is one of the worst in the nation.

 

[kupuna133]

Gavin has improved from last year but he is still not seeing the field. He missed wide open options yesterday because he is fixed in getting it to the predetermined primary target. Kirk needs to stress pre snap reads and quickly getting off primary if covered.

This is year 3 the game has slowed down for Gavin but it still seems to be moving too fast for his reads.

 

[RuBird]

RU is in bottom 10 for passing out of 133 teams
Out of 100 QBs Wimsatt isn't even in the data
He's young and he isn't throwing INTs all over the place but he's not chasing the Heisman any time soon

cfbstats.com - 2023 National Player Leaders

No one is saying he is chasing the Heisman. Can you at least say he is night and. Day different compared to last year? We also have not thrown for many yards due to the fact that In our four wins we basically stopped throwing the ball in the second half.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Coming into today Gavin Wimsatt had the 32nd best qbr in all of college football (I imagine it went up after today). He’s 3 behind penn state qb and 4 behind Maryland. He had the 5th best qbr in the big ten.

Is it possible we are underrating/ not appreciating enough what wimsatt has done so far this year (especially as a 19 year old). I know the passing numbers aren’t there, but to have a qbr like that in the big ten is pretty damn impressive.

He's been looking better and better each week. I do have to concede though that the small number of passes attempted is because Gavin has had the luxury of only being put in the best situations (playing with a lead, run heavy offense, good OC covering his weaknesses, etc) which inflates his ranking a little. So I think his numbers are inflated compared to teams that a) have more balanced attacks and b) QBs that have had to pass more in less favorable situations. But overall progress is good. Real tests to come.

 

[ashokan]

He's not throwing INTs because coaches are not letting him throw most passes yet. Our passing game is one of the worst in the nation.

I know the coaches don't risk any longer passes and like to use sidelines.
Lots of throwers can pass 50 yds but it has to go up 40 feet high to get there.
Good QBs can throw ropes 30-40 yds and I havn't seen that in a n RU game in awhile.
Nova could do it but he underestimated DB closing speed when throwing into coverage.
His high school blazzers that worked could be trouble in D1

 

[Knight Shift]

He's not throwing INTs because coaches are not letting him throw most passes yet. Our passing game is one of the worst in the nation.

Careful with the last sentence. WGAS, WGAF.
The teams in bold have 1 or zero losses. Looking at that alone, would you want your team to be in the group above or below the line? See how statistics work? It's just like pharma companies twisting stats to make their case that their product is "effective." You know how that works, don't you?

Pass attempts in B1G:
Rutgers 108
Nebraska 108
Michigan 111
Minnesota 123
Iowa 125
Wisconsin 130
Ohio State 131
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Indiana 158
Northwestern 161
Illinois 166
Penn State 171
Purdue 174
Michigan State 178
Maryland 179

 

[ashokan]

No one is saying he is chasing the Heisman. Can you at least say he is night and. Day different compared to last year? We also have not thrown for many yards due to the fact that In our four wins we basically stopped throwing the ball in the second half.

He's better and not frantic but I wouldn't say "night and day"
Ohio St always has a super-speedy, deep pass blazer that keeps defense from choking the box.
Of course they always needed a deep ball thrower.

Schiano's red zone offense is historically lame, but when Teel played with Britt they could just devour midfield yards with deep balls on the sidelines. It was fun to watch even though it all usually resulted in only a FG.

When RU can pass deep sucessfully then that will be night and day.
Right now its a game with training wheels.
A little of that is ok but RU devleopment is usually glacial and its boring

 

[RuBird]

He's better and not frantic but I wouldn't say "night and day"
Ohio St always has a super-speedy, deep pass blazer that keeps defense from choking the box.
Of course they always needed a deep ball thrower.

Schiano's red zone offense is historically lame, but when Teel played with Britt they could just devour midfield yards with deep balls on the sidelines. It was fun to watch even though it all usually resulted in only a FG.

When RU can pass deep sucessfully then that will be night and day.
Right now its a game with training wheels.
A little of that is ok but RU devleopment is usually glacial and its boring

You bring up Britt. Imagine Gavin with any one ( or heaven forbid two) of Britt, Brown, LC, Underwood, Sanu, LJ Smith, Marco, Kroft , heck even AC or Sean Ryan.
It is a night and day difference. His primary receiver this year is a walk on.

 

[RU848789]

Careful with the last sentence. WGAS, WGAF.
The teams in bold have 1 or zero losses. Looking at that alone, would you want your team to be in the group above or below the line? See how statistics work? It's just like pharma companies twisting stats to make their case that their product is "effective." You know how that works, don't you?

Pass attempts in B1G:
Rutgers 108
Nebraska 108
Michigan 111
Minnesota 123
Iowa 125
Wisconsin 130
Ohio State 131
--------------------------
Indiana 158
Northwestern 161
Illinois 166
Penn State 171
Purdue 174
Michigan State 178
Maryland 179

Good points on passes, but keep it to football.

 

[Knight Shift]

Good points on passes, but keep it to football.

Calm down, pharma bro. It was a joke.

 

[Bagarocks]

this
he's not as accurate as we need and who are we kidding; he doesn't start over any BIG starting qb.

?
You really believe what you just said?
?

 

[T2Kplus20]

Careful with the last sentence. WGAS, WGAF.
The teams in bold have 1 or zero losses. Looking at that alone, would you want your team to be in the group above or below the line? See how statistics work? It's just like pharma companies twisting stats to make their case that their product is "effective." You know how that works, don't you?

Pass attempts in B1G:
Rutgers 108
Nebraska 108
Michigan 111
Minnesota 123
Iowa 125
Wisconsin 130
Ohio State 131
--------------------------
Indiana 158
Northwestern 161
Illinois 166
Penn State 171
Purdue 174
Michigan State 178
Maryland 179

Thanks for the data! Shows that our coaches have the lowest confidence in our QB than any other B1G team. Can't beat good programs with only half the offense.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Careful with the last sentence. WGAS, WGAF.
The teams in bold have 1 or zero losses. Looking at that alone, would you want your team to be in the group above or below the line? See how statistics work? It's just like pharma companies twisting stats to make their case that their product is "effective." You know how that works, don't you?

Pass attempts in B1G:
Rutgers 108
Nebraska 108
Michigan 111
Minnesota 123
Iowa 125
Wisconsin 130
Ohio State 131
--------------------------
Indiana 158
Northwestern 161
Illinois 166
Penn State 171
Purdue 174
Michigan State 178
Maryland 179

I'd rather be a team that's overwhelming under matched opponents with the run game and playing with a lead. Those are the teams that pass less. Not sure what this has to do with QB ratings or GW, other than to say that GW hasn't been tested yet.

 

[Bagarocks]

The OP just opened the door for all of the haters to pile on.

This this and this!
Boy are they engaged and on fire today. Luckily we are 4 & 1 What would it be like if we were 1 & 4?

 

[Knight Shift]

Thanks for the data! Shows that our coaches have the lowest confidence in our QB than any other B1G team. Can't beat good programs with only half the offense.

Dumb as usual.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Dumb as usual.

It's okay, I don't think your post was that bad. LOL!

 

[Knight Shift]

I'd rather be a team that's overwhelming under matched opponents with the run game and playing with a lead. Those are the teams that pass less. Not sure what this has to do with QB ratings or GW, other than to say that GW hasn't been tested yet.

Just like Michigan does. Not a bad team to emulate. Their head coach was a star QB. You won't hear lax ball ball @Caliknight or @ashokan , avowed Schiano haters knocking him or other coaches who win with that style of play.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Thanks for the data! Shows that our coaches have the lowest confidence in our QB than any other B1G team. Can't beat good programs with only half the offense.

I'm trying to understand where you guys are going with this? You want wimsatt benched? You want to bring in a transfer next year? You want to recruit a 5 star? What's the end game of this negativity?

 

[Knight Shift]

It's okay, I don't think your post was that bad. LOL!

Take a look in the mirror. You have the worst takes on this board on most everything.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Take a look in the mirror. You have the worst takes on this board on most everything.

As my good friend Numbers just said, stay in your lane and you will be fine.

 

[RU848789]

Calm down, pharma bro. It was a joke.

Once is a joke - you're way beyond once. And maybe leave the pejoratives out, too - I could respond in kind but I won't. Point is that making comments like that is how threads get derailed. Be better.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I'm trying to understand where you guys are going with this? You want wimsatt benched? You want to bring in a transfer next year? You want to recruit a 5 star? What's the end game of this negativity?

Just being factual. We don't have a fully functional passing game due to our QB. I'm sure he is the best option on the team right now, but we desperately need to upgrade the position if we are ever to become a good B1G program. That's all.

 

[mdk02]

The receivers aren't running good routes at Rutgers from what I see...have a hard time separating...also would like to see the coaches roll him out more, as times goes on this year I'm thinking the offense progresses...he does need to clean up his accuracy on some of the throws but that will come with repetition. Also would like to see him use his legs more feel like he doesn't take off enough. This is the best looking sophomore QB I've seen at Rutgers...even better when you think Abt him only being 19...best QB I've seen at Rutgers in general besides nova and teel..

You must have missed Mike McMahon. But that's a HIGH bar.

 

[mdk02]

Look at the RB room and the WR room. Is it any wonder that this is a run heavy team?

 

[RUScrew85]

Coming into today Gavin Wimsatt had the 32nd best qbr in all of college football (I imagine it went up after today). He’s 3 behind penn state qb and 4 behind Maryland. He had the 5th best qbr in the big ten.

Is it possible we are underrating/ not appreciating enough what wimsatt has done so far this year (especially as a 19 year old). I know the passing numbers aren’t there, but to have a qbr like that in the big ten is pretty damn impressive.

He's not turning the ball over and is more accurate than we've seen in 10 years.

Is he still only 19?

 

[Shelby65]

Passing yds. is a horrible way to rank QB’s. Look at Kim he’s ranked at #63 or EJ Warner at #37. Both throwing for well over 200 yds. but throwing picks all over the place to lose games. While each has only thrown 1 or 2 more TD’s.

Also our QB adds the added dimension of running those two suck at it. He’s rushed for 4 TD’s to their 0. Wimsatt excels at the intangibles. Stuff that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet but wins you games. Like not taking sacks and throwing it away or buying time.

What are these intangibles Wimsatt excels at ? Not fumbling ? He has not excelled at anything. He’s been a solid game manager so far. It’s not a criticism but he will have to do more than that to get to 6 wins.

Hopefully it’s because Schiano hasn’t let him do much yet. 2.0’s MO has been to stick with the ground game no matter what, hoping for defensive scores instead of taking offensive risks. Wimsatt got away with 46 yards passing against VT because we could run(half those yards on one play). Against a much better team the next week, the offense was hopeless. Michigan stopped the run and our goal was to run to run clock and fly home rather than trying to keep pace.

We will see next week if there’s a second page in the playbook.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Just being factual. We don't have a fully functional passing game due to our QB. I'm sure he is the best option on the team right now, but we desperately need to upgrade the position if we are ever to become a good B1G program. That's all.

And do you feel the best option for upgrading the position is to bring in a freshman or developing wimsatt for his junior and senior years? where we will probably get more of the open offense we want to see....this is his first full year starting, even JJ mcarthy was and still is handcuffed by his coaches. Very few freshman QBs come in firing like Caleb Williams did.

 

[Jerseylegends]

What are these intangibles Wimsatt excels at ? Not fumbling ? He has not excelled at anything. He’s been a solid game manager so far. It’s not a criticism but he will have to do more than that to get to 6 wins.

Hopefully it’s because Schiano hasn’t let him do much yet rather than him simply not being able to.

The thing about QBs….at least with a guy like Warner, Kim, etc who’ve thrown pics. At least they give their teams a chance if the ground game isn’t working. Schiano’s 2.0’s MO has been to stick with the ground game no matter what, hoping for defensive scores instead of taking offensive risks. Wimsatt got away with 46 yards passing against VT because we could run(half those yards on one play). Against a much better team the next week, the offense was hopeless.

We will see next week if there’s a second page in the playbook.

In order to win the game he hasn't needed to do more than what he's done....I would have liked to see the coaches let him throw more in the Michigan but I'm sure they have a plan to develop him...let the season play out... patience is a virtue..

 

[knightfan7]

The only things I care about with GW is he's 4-1 as a starter this year with only 1 TO.

 

[Shelby65]

It’s all coaching. His play is designed to be like that. 150 passing and 75 rushing. That’s all they need to win 6 games. I’m actually impressed about how the coaches live in reality and our being realist about their football team. Bowl game is the only goal.

But why not try to win 8 ?

 

[T2Kplus20]

And do you feel the best option for upgrading the position is to bring in a freshman or developing wimsatt for his junior and senior years? where we will probably get more of the open offense we want to see....this is his first full year starting, even JJ mcarthy was and still is handcuffed by his coaches. Very few freshman QBs come in firing like Caleb Williams did.

Transfer portal is option #1. Need a better QB for next season.

 

[Knight Owl]

GW will get his chance to throw vs Wisconsin. They give up the most passing yards per game in the BIG.
Washington St. dual threat QB Cam Ward had a big game throwing and running against Wisky.

 

[Jerseylegends]

But why not try to win 8 ?

Ok then 8 and a bowl game....the goal is to win every game, at this point you guys are just trolling. Just want to inject some negativity into a post meant to be be positive... fascinating look at human behavior these anonymous social medias lol

 

[RUBOB72]

It is your typical Rutgers postgame. . The QB ( is doing exactly what he is being told is the plan. To the poster who can’t get over RPO nonsense. I don’t know but I think he has shown the capability to run very well when needed. What are his season running stats? And he continues to improve every game up to this next game. Wisconsin will give us a real look into where we still need to go.

 

[Shelby65]

In order to win the game he hasn't needed to do more than what he's done....I would have liked to see the coaches let him throw more in the Michigan but I'm sure they have a plan to develop him...let the season play out... patience is a virtue..

Agree. Point is, he hasn’t shown enough to be considered at good QB yet (someone who can win a game for you).

 

[Jerseylegends]

Transfer portal is option #1. Need a better QB for next season.

Lol Ok who would you bring in?

 

[Jerseylegends]

Agree. Point is, he hasn’t shown enough to be considered at good QB yet (someone who can win a game for you).

Agreed....