Football Will Wimsatt redshirt?
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I'm hoping that he plays, he's as good as advertised and the other year of eligibility doesn't matter since he'll be heading to the NFL. Fingers crossed.
I'd much rather him have a full year of eligibility than a series or two in some crappy bowl game (if we're lucky).
And pump the brakes on the NFL. Kid has thrown like 5 passes and one (should have been two) have been picks. Let's keep the expectations in check.
And pump the brakes on the NFL. Kid has thrown like 5 passes and one (should have been two) have been picks. Let's keep the expectations in check.
Agree fingers crossed on him being that good.
But aside from one play he's not really doing anything to help us win games. Really since that play he's looked more like the HS kid then the potential NFL'r.
They're nuts if he doesn't Redshirt.
I would plan/hope to win the MD. game without playing him.
Then, I would plan to play him extensively in the bowl game, after the 15 extra practices. Great opportunity for his development.
Now if we are losing the MD. game and it looks like there will be no bowl game, then all bets are off.
Then, I would plan to play him extensively in the bowl game, after the 15 extra practices. Great opportunity for his development.
Now if we are losing the MD. game and it looks like there will be no bowl game, then all bets are off.
Not redshirting wimsatt would be professional malpractice at this point. Legit insanity.
I think the answer may be simple.
If we are winning big versus Maryland ,
You don’t play him and have him available for bowl game.
If we are winning big versus Maryland ,
You don’t play him and have him available for bowl game.
If Schiano wanted to red shirt him all along, he should have saved the last game and the bowl game as part of the four games. Use him Saturday and during the bowl game. No way Wimsatt stays at Rutgers for 5-years, I'll take that bet today. Better chance he's playing at Western Kentucky in 2-3 years.
You use him, and every other trick you can, this week in order to win. Going to a bowl is fine but the extra practice for our young time is incredibly valuable. Then you do not play him in the bowl game.
If the game is out of line Sat on the losing end let him play. If we are winning sit him and play him in the bowl game. To do both is idiotic nobody is guaranteed the NFL so to burn a year for 1 play in 1 game, a couple in a second a series in a 3rd is stupid. Newsflash to GS and SC if you are bringing back up QB's no matter how many you are up or down you run the offense not put someone in there to handof
Next year he needs to be your day 1 starter. Be happy you got 3/4 of a year out of him to learn.....now focus on getting to bowl to buy 20 more practices for reps for the kids
Next year he needs to be your day 1 starter. Be happy you got 3/4 of a year out of him to learn.....now focus on getting to bowl to buy 20 more practices for reps for the kids
I was really surprised he played against PSU. To me, it made sense to have UMD and a bowl game in play without having to worry about this.
This.
Outside of the Illinois game it was idiotic to play him.
15 snaps this year and it will cost him a year of eligibility?
I'm not sure redshirting him makes sense. If he's so good he's going to the NFL, then he's likely to declare his non-redshirt senior year anyway. If he's not that good, then we better have another QB coming in soon that IS that good or we're in trouble.
OTOH, he doesn't look ready to help us win more than Vedral at the moment. So if we're doing okay without him in the MD game, I'd keep him on the bench. Then he can play a bunch of the bowl game and get game experience where it really doesn't matter if we win or lose. That way, if he's good, but maybe not leave early for the NFL good, and we can't find anybody better, we might have him around an extra year.
So yeah, keep him on the bench in the MD game unless Vedral is hurt.
OTOH, he doesn't look ready to help us win more than Vedral at the moment. So if we're doing okay without him in the MD game, I'd keep him on the bench. Then he can play a bunch of the bowl game and get game experience where it really doesn't matter if we win or lose. That way, if he's good, but maybe not leave early for the NFL good, and we can't find anybody better, we might have him around an extra year.
So yeah, keep him on the bench in the MD game unless Vedral is hurt.
Outside of a major injury, most top 100 rated players only last 3-4 years in college. Gavin was rated 40s on 247, 65 on Rivals, all other sites had him graded out top 50/100, top 5/10 QBs for 2022, around 200 for 2021. That doesn't change his talent because he's here a year early, just accelerates his learning curve, better coaching from Gleeson than HS, fixing footwork, release, etc. now instead of Jan and spring ball. He has that kind of player potential think CJ Stroud, OSU, Alabama QBs, OU QB, Ga QB, Clemson QB, etc. Those QBs are never there 5 years. It won't hurt him losing a possible 5th year in college here.
Schiano always says that "we play the players who give us the best chance to win" and that was including Wimsatt. Just this past week, he said that there were particular packages in which he'd be used.
However, I don't think I've seen a play yet where I thought, "Oh thank God Wimsatt was there to make that handoff" or something similar. He will be a good player - hopefully a very good player - but I don't think the outcome of any of these last few games have hinged on him being in the game. How could they? He hasn't played more than a few consecutive plays in any game. Schiano would sacrifice a redshirt for that?
If the Maryland game really does come down to a handful of plays, then ok - I could see Schiano feeling the need to play him. But, I seriously doubt that's the case. Schiano and staff have wanted to get his feet wet and a little real-world experience, then get him out of the game without him getting hurt.
However, I don't think I've seen a play yet where I thought, "Oh thank God Wimsatt was there to make that handoff" or something similar. He will be a good player - hopefully a very good player - but I don't think the outcome of any of these last few games have hinged on him being in the game. How could they? He hasn't played more than a few consecutive plays in any game. Schiano would sacrifice a redshirt for that?
If the Maryland game really does come down to a handful of plays, then ok - I could see Schiano feeling the need to play him. But, I seriously doubt that's the case. Schiano and staff have wanted to get his feet wet and a little real-world experience, then get him out of the game without him getting hurt.
Let's see if he burns a year of eligibility before we get too worked up.
I think this has been mismanaged. If you wanted him to get his feet wet, give him a few series..not put him in for a few handoffs or a one read crossing route..
He should have played more in the Illinois game and the PSU game was a waste...
He should have played more in the Illinois game and the PSU game was a waste...
You think burning a redshirt is worth playing 20 garbage time snaps and a bowl game no one cares about? If the plan was to burn his redshirt they would have incorporated him into the offense by now.
But you do need to go back to the question of, how much of the playbook does he actually know? Bunch of posters here questioned whether he would even get a snap in this year due to lack of playbook knowledge.
Could he have been out there just running the same play over and over? Sure, but it's not like he is missing out on a ton of experience by not doing that.
They may not have spent 5 years, but they also didn’t skip their senior season of high school. While some of the 5* freaks like Lawrence and fields are 3 and done, most need 4 or 5 years. Look at burrow, Pickett, mayfield, etc.. wimsatt was a big time recruit but he’s far from a 1st round lock.
I think the point is, that unless Wimsatt helps you win, and aside from one play, he really hasn't been a contributor in that regard, then this should be his RS season. That would be prudent player mgmt.
Whether he goes on to play 4 more seasons, or go pro in 3, doesn't matter that much. Need to manage this as if he stays for the long haul.
Whether he goes on to play 4 more seasons, or go pro in 3, doesn't matter that much. Need to manage this as if he stays for the long haul.
Owensboro was 2-1 when Gavin left, they are 12-1 now. He was a Varsity starting QB since his Sophomore year, 12-2 19-20, 12-1 20-21, what is an extra 10 HS games against the same X number of teams from KY you've seen the last 2 years. Those games aren't as beneficial as you think if he was considered the #1 player for the state of KY in 2022.
Kid is the same age as a lot of other Frosh (turned 18 in Sept).
Bottom line: whatever the STAFF and Gavin - likely his parents back in September as well - agreed to do this year is ALL that matters. The rest of these posts calling it “criminal” all all this other nonsense matter at all. There is a PLAN let it be lol!
Not criminal just dumb. He needs a year in the weight room and a year studying the offense. A fifth year QB is pretty much always better than a fourth year.
** Someone else called a “criminal” I was just throwing it out there. Sorry!
You’re making a huge assumption that a top 100 player will be here in his 5h year. Again, so long as everyone was on the same page with him playing this year, what does it matter? Now he’s gotten his feet wet so when you throw out him out there in Game #1 at Boston College he should be ready a tad more “ready.” At least over the jitters.
Agree that saving the redshirt probably doesn't matter very much. But by the same token, burning the redshirt without a good reason would just be dumb. And GS isn't dumb. Vedral, despite his warts, is almost certainly more likely to help the team win at this time. So he'll start (baring sickness or injury).
Of course, if Vedral gets injured, then the coaching staff have to stick in whichever of the backups has demonstrated themselves most ready to help the team win. I don't really know who that might be but I'm sure the coaching staff know. If it's Wimsatt, they staff will not let the redshirt status stop them from playing the kid.
I'm pretty sure the coaches would say the same thing. GS kind of said the same thing in his press conference, without actually saying it. He's obviously not going to publicize his thinking about Wimsatt (and would fire anybody who actually knows the real plan and leaks it).
Circumstances will dictate what happens. But GS won't just burn a redshirt for any player without a good reason to do so.
A few points:
1. Playing him in Indiana game when you are up 38-3 made no sense
2. By 2023 when next years linemen are Sophomores, we will have a good offensive line with some depth which should give Gavin some real sense that 2023 can be a successful year for the offense.
3. If we are doing well against Maryland, do not put him in. I’m sure he would rather play in a bowl game. If we are losing big to Maryland, the issue is moot.
4. All of his appearances this year and if he is inserted into Maryland game had nothing to do with determining game results. They were merely made to get his feet wet.
5. Don’t get Gavin’s ankle twisted by Finau, who in my opinion should be suspended from this game by Locksley.
1. Playing him in Indiana game when you are up 38-3 made no sense
2. By 2023 when next years linemen are Sophomores, we will have a good offensive line with some depth which should give Gavin some real sense that 2023 can be a successful year for the offense.
3. If we are doing well against Maryland, do not put him in. I’m sure he would rather play in a bowl game. If we are losing big to Maryland, the issue is moot.
4. All of his appearances this year and if he is inserted into Maryland game had nothing to do with determining game results. They were merely made to get his feet wet.
5. Don’t get Gavin’s ankle twisted by Finau, who in my opinion should be suspended from this game by Locksley.
As far as I’m concerned Johnny Fooball should take that ******* out within the first half of the first quarter.
I think they've been doing that already. Have you seen the list of near 300 pound kids we're bringing in?
My hope is that Allen is good enough to start Opening Day
Not being critical but I'm interested in the thought process that brings you to this conclusion.
This. Johnny should run full force and lower his shoulder right into this thug.