Will we win again this year

ScarletDave

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maybe If we hold Illinois under 40? I just don’t see where our offense is gonna come from under the system they have now
 

Knightmoves

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We got past this one now we have to beat Maine next Saturday.

We don’t get to play against what some of theses OOC teams do too often. They are not so easy to put away. Sounds like a Fred Hill Jr quote after we nipped FDU at the buzzer.

Not a good look for Pike the rest of the way if we can’t dominate Maine.
 

kcg88

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Statistically 12-19 will occur more frequently than 1-19

You'd think that and yet... Rutgers.

I'm really struggling to square how we shot in the Drexel/FDU games and how we've shot since. Was it that Baker, Kiss, Omoruyi, and Thiam were all hot and now they're cold?

Hopefully the next hot streak lasts longer than two games.
 
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Caliknight

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You'd think that and yet... Rutgers.

I'm really struggling to square how we shot in the Drexel/FDU games and how we've shot since. Was it that Baker, Kiss, Omoruyi, and Thiam were all hot and now they're cold?

Hopefully the next hot streak lasts longer than two games.
Those games were anomalies. Recruit shooters!
 

BOGDANOVICH

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If this turns out to be a 7 or 8 win season after two years of 15 win seasons, will fans turn on Pike the same way they turned on Ash after his disastrous third year?
 

Clambhorghini

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We were lead to believe that Football and Mens BB would be decent by now.

With the Hobbs regime picking these coaches. Flood and Julie gone. I think that’s her name.

Well it’s 3 years and we still suck.

So is it an institutional problem? Seems like most schools can produce .500 teams without trying that hard.
 

bowlgoal

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We had a much different schedule in Pikiells first year and I think the first 9-10 games were all at the RAC vs. a cupcake schedule. The first 10 games this season included two conference games, two big east teams, an ACC team and Fordham on the road which was a bad loss but they do win a high percentage of their home games and it can be a tough place to win. We shot very poorly.

I had us 7-4 right now but that was a blind preseason prediction. I thought instead of winning at Miami, that we would have beaten either st, johns or Seton Hall plus Fordham. Instead we beat Miami But lost the other 3 games.

Just remember, when comparing the final regular season record this year to last year; we played 31 games last season and only 30 this year. We also played 18 conference games last year and play 20 this year. So don’t jump off a cliff if we have a few less wins than you were expecting. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.
 

ScarletDave

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Although the loss to Fordham stunk, we still played really well in our 2 conference games against 2 of the top teams in the league. Being up by 8 and by 10 at diffeeent points in those games. Then you have an OT game against Columbia, I get it. That’s the team we have though - it will be fun and disappointing year but the whole crew comes back so don’t be surprised next season when we pull things together - Pike isn’t dumb he has a plan and it’s on course. Win a lot early (relatively), get the recruits, now they’re here develop them, and next year we should be rocking. So far he’s done exactly what he said he would. I have no doubt we will dance with him in the near future
 

RUSK97

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OCC schedule harder this year than last two as well.
No doubt about it. And IMO, it was a mistake. I think the coaching staff and AD expected the team to be further along in year 3 and ramped up the level of competition in anticipation. The schedule needs to get softer the next few years.
 

kcg88

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No doubt about it. And IMO, it was a mistake. I think the coaching staff and AD expected the team to be further along in year 3 and ramped up the level of competition in anticipation. The schedule needs to get softer the next few years.

This year we're in roughly the 30th percentile for toughest schedules among power-5 teams (where 100th percentile is Kansas and 1st percentile is NC State).

So it's a pretty soft schedule, to be honest. Outside of the contracted Big East, ACC, and rivalry game, we haven't played anybody ranked higher than #190 in KenPom. So I'm not sure how much softer we want the schedule to get.

All you do by padding the schedule with cupcakes is give yourself more opportunities for bad losses... like Fordham, or Stony Brook, or Hartford. Obviously you're still going to play some games like that. But say we play ten games that we're 80% likely to win. Go 10-0 and maybe, MAYBE, you get a tiny bit of credit although probably not. This is basically what happened in Pikiell's first year when we were 10-0 outside of the Miami game, but no respectable wins.

Go 9-1 and you've got a so-called bad loss (like Fordham, for example). Go 8-2, even though that is statistically the most likely outcome, and it's a disaster with TWO "bad losses."

There's a bit of guesswork with scheduling -- Eastern Michigan was supposed to be better than they've been this year -- but you can target opponents in your neighborhood for the most part.

If we're consistently scared of losing, or actually consistently losing, to teams in the middle class of the A-10 or MAC or the upper-middle of the CAA or lower-middle of the AAC then that's reflective of problems with the team, not the schedule.
 
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RUJMM78

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Rutgers joins the BIG five years ago and remains last in league rankings .The RAC advantage has disappeared and the inability to score has been a ongoing problem.Yes, there have been some surprising wins and close losses but at the end of five years the only things that have changed are the names of the coaches and players and a new practice facility.Winning matters and Rutgers is learning that the B1G isn't a league for growing pains.
 

dpwhite

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No doubt about it. And IMO, it was a mistake. I think the coaching staff and AD expected the team to be further along in year 3 and ramped up the level of competition in anticipation. The schedule needs to get softer the next few years.

I think it would be a mistake to assume that. Miami and St. John's were scheduled by the conference. The Seton Hall game has to happen year after year and this just happened to be an away year. The move to 20 games had nothing to do with Pikiell. The game at Fordham was schedule by the previous coaching staff...
 

Mr. Magoo1

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If this turns out to be a 7 or 8 win season after two years of 15 win seasons, will fans turn on Pike the same way they turned on Ash after his disastrous third year?

Would not turn on him because there is hope for next year, but would seriously start to question whether he is the right choice here. 7 or 8 wins is not acceptible in year 3. Ash is in a league of his own.
 

RickB113

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Would not turn on him because there is hope for next year, but would seriously start to question whether he is the right choice here. 7 or 8 wins is not acceptible in year 3. Ash is in a league of his own.
I am usually a pretty harsh critic but to be fair to Pike he walked into a worse situation than Ash IMO and even more importantly has been recruiting with some of the worst facilities of any program in the country not just P5. Let’s get him a practice facility built and then see what happens.