Will OMs Sugar Bowl be vacated?

[ChinaDogSunflower]

Genuinely curious what some of you think

I know if an athlete hires an agent his amateurism status is exhausted at that moment. I also know that they guy that Tunsil hired that burned him on draft night wasn't an actual agent. But I remember reading after he figured that out and fired him, and as his suspension (during the 2015 season) came to an end, he hired a new, actual agent. Before the season ended...

OM will do anything to keep these past two seasons that gave them so much hope and made them feel relevant for the first time since integration. It would tear them apart to realize that those nostalgic glory days hadn't returned but that they had merely caught just a brief, cheating glimpse of restored lore, and it was to be taken away because they couldn't play fairly, unless they can do something, anything. And they will try are trying.


What say ye, Pack who after the Sixeth Speak?

 

[Xenomorph]

Honestly?.. I won't be surprised if every win under Hugh Freeze is vacated. USC gave up 14 wins over Reggie Bush.

 

[patdog]

I'd have to say, yeah.

 

[Junction John]

Based on what I'm hearing, they are going all out (or ALL IN?) to save face for Freeze. The theory is that they will accept almost any future punishment (probation, bowl bans, fairly heavy scholarship loss) the NCAA wants to hand out if they can keep from firing or show-causing Freezus Christ. My guess is that will include doing whatever is necessary to not vacate any wins, especially that one, as it would give Hugh a pretty big and public black eye.

However, in the end I don't think the NCAA will go along with it, if ineligible guys played in those games. That's one of their biggest weapons, so I doubt they'll give on that one. It will be entertaining to say the least.

 

[patdog]

They'll accept whatever the NCAA gives them, whether that includes a show cause for Freeze or not. It's not like they have any choice or bargaining power in this.

 

[ShrubDog]

Bump this thread in a year.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

They'll accept whatever the NCAA gives them, whether that includes a show cause for Freeze or not. It's not like they have any choice or bargaining power in this.

Exactly. I'm sure they are trying to save Freeze at just about any cost.

But if the NCAA gives him a show cause, they have no choice but to accept it. What other option do they have? Leave the NCAA?

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

I think the NCAA should set up a raffle to be the one that gets to parade onto campus and haul it off. Put me down for $500 worth of raffle tickets. I bet the proceeds could solve world hunger.

 

[aTotal360]

Who cares? If we would have won the Sugar Bowl and then it was forfeited, would you do anything more than an "awe shucks"? If the confetti fell and you witnessed it, that really all that matters.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

I think the NCAA should set up a raffle to be the one that gets to parade onto campus and haul it off. Put me down for $500 worth of raffle tickets. I bet the proceeds could solve world hunger.

I would set up a gofundme to get Rosebowl, Coach34, and Jackie Sherrill to ride up to Oxford together and take the trophies away.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

I would rather they vacate their money.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

"The NCAA Violations occurred when Coach Hugh Freeze was in Haiti building homes, building churches, Baptizing children, curing the sick, digging fresh water artisan wells, and preaching the word of God to the people. Therefore none of these Violations should reflect on Coach Hugh Freeze and his Holy work." - Ross Bjork, Ole Miss AD (for now at least)

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[johnson86-1]

Genuinely curious what some of you think

I know if an athlete hires an agent his amateurism status is exhausted at that moment. I also know that they guy that Tunsil hired that burned him on draft night wasn't an actual agent. But I remember reading after he figured that out and fired him, and as his suspension (during the 2015 season) came to an end, he hired a new, actual agent. Before the season ended...

OM will do anything to keep these past two seasons that gave them so much hope and made them feel relevant for the first time since integration. It would tear them apart to realize that those nostalgic glory days hadn't returned but that they had merely caught just a brief, cheating glimpse of restored lore, and it was to be taken away because they couldn't play fairly, unless they can do something, anything. And they will try are trying.


What say ye, Pack who after the Sixeth Speak?

I'm guessing every game Tunsil played in last year will be vacated. Even if they wanted to let UM off easy, they will still probably vacate a bunch of wins, because that's a punishment that seems tough but really isn't. People still got to enjoy the sugar bowl and they'll still claim it. But that would let the NCAA pretend they were giving out a stiffer punishment than they are. Obviously that can't vacate four seasons of wins and then not put them on probation, but if they wanted to give them something relatively light like 15 scholarships over 3, they could also vacate 27 wins or however many they've had over the past three years without making the punishment really any worse.

 

[bulldognation]

Why do you think they are trying to save freeze at all costs? Is he that great of a coach? I've seen them crucify him over boneheaded game time decisions.
Look back to Memphis, Florida, Arkansas. Those are games OM should have won considering the sheer talent level. And that's not considering the two meltdowns they've had this season. Given the bought players in their cupboard, could another coach have had equivalent results?

Could be because he's a useful puppet that's complicit with the recruitment pipelines being operated by the boosters while preaching the party line to the masses.

 

[thf24]

I think it'll be at minimum any game Tunsil and Conner played in. An 8-year-old could put two and two together to know that Conner went through the ACT fraud system, and I'd be surprised if the NCAA doesn't have proof of it at this point.

 

[Palos verdes]

We'll be one win better for the last two years.

 

[Moe Cabelle]

I disagree strongly. No one questions the validity of our overall record, Coach Tyler's record nor the Egg bowl record. Sure, the Sugar Bowl was last year, but in time that fades and they cheated to get there. That will not be forgotten. That means it's still been 50+ years since they've been there. They will feel that. You just have to remind them.

 

[aTotal360]

Cuz that's how it works.

 

[Junction John]

You think the SEC wants a show cause on a relatively high-profile active coach?

They'll accept whatever the NCAA gives them, whether that includes a show cause for Freeze or not. It's not like they have any choice or bargaining power in this.

I wish you were right, but it sounds like there's a little more bargaining going on than you think.

There will be more scholarships reduced than most are guessing, but no show cause. That's where we're headed. I haven't heard anything about vacated wins.

 

[Junction John]

Have you seen 'Guyana Tragedy'? These people are the textbook example of ALL IN.


They have to back him now, or their world will crumble around them.

 

[MaroonNation]

Based on what I'm hearing, they are going all out (or ALL IN?) to save face for Freeze. The theory is that they will accept almost any future punishment (probation, bowl bans, fairly heavy scholarship loss) the NCAA wants to hand out if they can keep from firing or show-causing Freezus Christ. My guess is that will include doing whatever is necessary to not vacate any wins, especially that one, as it would give Hugh a pretty big and public black eye..

Those two things don't make sense. If they are going "all in" for Freezus then they would give up whatever wins. Again, you are listening to BeArs who think they have leverage.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

That's not what I wanted to hear and it's stupid

ETA: If you show up to a recruit's visit WITH A BOOSTER and your players are ASKING COACHES FOR MONEY how can you not face a punishment?

 

[bulldognation]

I think this is the mindset of most of the fans. They've bought a hell of a ride. And sanctions be damned they'll keep buying it as long as they're able. I've heard too much rumbling from their side about stocking up so they'll survive the "bump in the road" that the NCAA will deal them. They truly believe the rules are applied different for them. They're one of the big boys dammit! Now look the other way while we buy this 5-star and oh look! His mama just happened to move to Oxford just to be close to baby and get her utilities paid.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Nope. Huge Killaburger said that the NCAA is picking on them and they're, I mean Mississippi, isn't putting up with it any more. So no, I don't think so because they're going to tel the NCAA to kiss their *** and they're not doing anything to them!!11!1!!

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

Tony Connor?

 

[Xenomorph]

So you're saying we're going to watch Freeze have to coach through the most crippling loss of scholarships in the history of the NCAA? ...yeah, that'll do.

 

[patdog]

Freeze isn't a "useful puppet." He had a hand in designing their recruiting process and he's the CEO of it.

 

[patdog]

Why do you think the SEC has any say in the matter either? It's not like a show cause for Freeze would affect the conference anyway.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Tony Connor?

I'd say the same would apply to both but Justin didnt play did he?

 

[Shamoan]

i would be surprised if that whole season wasnt vacated and probably a couple of seasons before it.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I'm glad I don't live in an area where I have to deal with those douchebags. They don't know ****. 9 over 3**

 

[Junction John]

I don't know what you mean by "Again" but I don't listen to bears. My info comes from more reliable sources than OM, but you don't know me so we'll just have to wait and see on that I guess.

All I'm saying is they are trying to keep Freeze clean (no show cause), so he can keep rolling to some degree, and they're willing to give up quite a few scholarships in the future, plus a bowl ban, to do that. If they can weasel out of vacating the Sugar Bowl, they would like to do that too, but as I said I don't know if that's possible.

 

[GloryDawg]

They will still claim it.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

As long as they have to give the trophy back I'm fine w that

 

[msstate7]

As long as they have to give the trophy back I'm fine w that

The NCAA can't take om's bcs trophies...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/hugh-freeze-seems-to-be-claiming-bcs-titles-now/

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

A trophy to show for your big win matters a lot. If you go on that big hunt and shoot a deer that scampers off, you want to find it right?

 

[Moe Cabelle]

Right, just like they claim a few national titles. That doesn't make it so.

 

[fishwater99]

LOL... They sure as Hell can take that Sugar Bowl one back...

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

I couldn't find any statistics for him

 

[msstatelp1]

I don't know what you mean by "Again" but I don't listen to bears. My info comes from more reliable sources than OM, but you don't know me so we'll just have to wait and see on that I guess.

All I'm saying is they are trying to keep Freeze clean (no show cause), so he can keep rolling to some degree, and they're willing to give up quite a few scholarships in the future, plus a bowl ban, to do that. If they can weasel out of vacating the Sugar Bowl, they would like to do that too, but as I said I don't know if that's possible.

If the NCAA doesn't give Freeze a show cause, then they won't be able to give one to any other coach on any other team. Their "head coach is responsible for everything that happens" goes out the window.