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I think Frost can be legitimately criticized for not recognizing Burrow's talent while Orgeron treated Burrow like a five star. Here is how much Orgeron thought of Joe and what he said to Joe:

"I can’t promise you the job. But, Joe, you’re going to be my starting quarterback.

I’ve watched you on tape. I heard you today. I’m totally confident you’re going to be our starting quarterback.

Look at me, Joe, I got to win here. I’m throwing it all on the line. You’re going to be our starting quarterback. I’m not guaranteeing it. You’re going to have to earn it. But if the head coach thinks you ought to be the starting quarterback, guess who is going to be the starting quarterback?"
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_a9f994ec-831b-11ea-942b-8b2eab891c8a.html
 
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dailybuck777 said:
I think Frost can be legitimately criticized for not recognizing Burrow's talent while Orgeron treated Burrow like a five star. Here is how much Orgeron thought of Joe and what he said to Joe:

"I can’t promise you the job. But, Joe, you’re going to be my starting quarterback.

I’ve watched you on tape. I heard you today. I’m totally confident you’re going to be our starting quarterback.

Look at me, Joe, I got to win here. I’m throwing it all on the line. You’re going to be our starting quarterback. I’m not guaranteeing it. You’re going to have to earn it. But if the head coach thinks you ought to be the starting quarterback, guess who is going to be the starting quarterback?"
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_a9f994ec-831b-11ea-942b-8b2eab891c8a.html
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imagine letting the heisman trophy winner and #1 pick transfer because someone else came in and beat an avg michigan team

hit the bricks, pal
 
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Damn and just when you thought the horse was dead and beaten into the ground. Looking forward to Burrow's preseason opener where they bring this back up, and then the season opener where they bring this back up, and then the first playoff game Burrow plays in, and so on.
 
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He went from golden boy coach of the year to.. .. .. well he's getting closer to laughing stock now.

The way to fix that, is to start winning games. That is all that should matter to him right now.

Winning cures all.
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
imagine letting the heisman trophy winner and #1 pick transfer because someone else came in and beat an avg michigan team

hit the bricks, pal
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Came in unexpectedly with no warning with OSU behind in the 3rd quarter and won the game. Had 50 touchdown passes in his first year starting for OSU when Burrow was throwing 16 TDs for LSU. Very good and talented, but it now turns out not as good as Burrow.

Even Burrow's father recognized that if the competition was close OSU had to pick Haskins as starter. Haskins had proven himself under immense pressure, which Burrow had not done.
 
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I hate to say it but I believe wholeheartedly that Frost promised Martinez the starting job indirectly. Bringing in Burrow would have gone against his word.

And for those who say “Nobody saw it coming”, my question for you is, we were willing to bring a transfer from UCF but not one from Ohio State?

We could have had him if we were willing to open up the QB competition like legit programs do. Hell, Clemson wasn’t shy about replacing their experienced qb with pretty boy.
 
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B1G RED RULES said:
Amazing how fast Frost went from hero to zero. Will be interesting to see if he can recover.
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Winning is all that matters.

Trust me, I’m a big Frost supporter. I believe he does everything well except for in-game play calling. He represents the state and the team well, recruits well, has the ‘cool’ factor going for him. But at the end of the day winning is what you are remembered for, especially in Nebraska. He’s going to have to start turning this thing around quick. Not going to a bowl game this past year with the favorable schedule was a major blow to the program.
 
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Bad coach...and brought a lot of this nonsense on himself with his talk blowing himself/the program up. When he gets better, he won’t have to worry about this.
 
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Remember the good old days, when Joe Burrow was considered an average college QB and Adrian Martinez had some of the best odds to win the Heisman? These last 8 months or so, have been disappointing to say the least.
 
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Bigred_b1624 said:
Remember the good old days, when Joe Burrow was considered an average college QB and Adrian Martinez had some of the best odds to win the Heisman? These last 8 months or so, have been disappointing to say the least.
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In other words, Martinez regressed under Frost and Verduzco, while Burrow improved greatly under Brady and Ensminger. Might be why our staff has struggled to recruit a QB in the 2021 class.
 
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PeliniTheCrutch said:
Bad coach...and brought a lot of this nonsense on himself with his talk blowing himself/the program up. When he gets better, he won’t have to worry about this.
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I don’t think very many people would say that he is a bad coach. He wouldn’t have gone undefeated at UCF if he was a bad coach. But the jury is still out on whether he will be successful here.
 
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Harry Caray said:
In other words, Martinez regressed under Frost and Verduzco, while Burrow improved greatly under Brady and Ensminger. Might be why our staff has struggled to recruit a QB in the 2021 class.
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Yep, not a good year for Frost and Mario to fail with QB development for the first time.
 
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PeliniTheCrutch said:
Bad coach...and brought a lot of this nonsense on himself with his talk blowing himself/the program up. When he gets better, he won’t have to worry about this.
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Bad Coach? Hell, he only lost one more game per season then Fleck had in the same span and everyone calls Fleck a good to great coach. He even took a 0-12 UCF team and built them into what they are now and went 13-0 and beat an Auburn team that also beat Bama, Georgia and almost won the SEC Title that season. You don’t do that being a bad coach. My suggestion, why not wait and see how year 3 looks before calling our very own Head Coach BAD. This right here is exactly my point and why some of our Husker fans are the absolute WORST in the country.

Harry Caray said:
In other words, Martinez regressed under Frost and Verduzco, while Burrow improved greatly under Brady and Ensminger. Might be why our staff has struggled to recruit a QB in the 2021 class.
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Or considering Martinez had surgery immediately after the season ended, maybe that’s why he played bad due to being injured and not actually regressed. Again, this comes back to the whole...let’s see how year 3 goes before making assumptions. Even Urban Meyer claims Martinez is a legit QB talent (Dude obviously knows talent when he see it) and Frost and Coach V have shown to be great QB developers. I don’t know about you but I’m giving the benefit of the doubt here and assuming Martinez struggled so badly due to playing injuried last season and not actually regressed.
 
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Bigred_b1624 said:
Remember the good old days, when Joe Burrow was considered an average college QB and Adrian Martinez had some of the best odds to win the Heisman? These last 8 months or so, have been disappointing to say the least.
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Adrian Martinez and Scott Frost have been disappointing to say the least.
 
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Bigred_b1624 said:
Why are you sad?
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actually he appears to be one of them that isn’t sad. Like I pointed out, I’ll wait to see how year 3 looks before I comment with disappointing or anything like that. Just like Fleck did at Minnesota, Frost and Martinez could end up killing it year 3 like a lot of coaches do during rebuilds. It’s common for teams and coaches to struggle during year 1 and 2...and even year 3 at times. But usually year 3 and up we start seeing progress and promise.
 
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huskerssalts said:
actually he appears to be one of them that isn’t sad. Like I pointed out, I’ll wait to see how year 3 looks before I comment with disappointing or anything like that. Just like Fleck did at Minnesota, Frost and Martinez could end up killing it year 3 like a lot of coaches do during rebuilds. It’s common for teams and coaches to struggle during year 1 and 2...and even year 3 at times. But usually year 3 and up we start seeing progress and promise.
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I was joking with him
 
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dailybuck777 said:
I think Frost can be legitimately criticized for not recognizing Burrow's talent while Orgeron treated Burrow like a five star. Here is how much Orgeron thought of Joe and what he said to Joe:

"I can’t promise you the job. But, Joe, you’re going to be my starting quarterback.

I’ve watched you on tape. I heard you today. I’m totally confident you’re going to be our starting quarterback.

Look at me, Joe, I got to win here. I’m throwing it all on the line. You’re going to be our starting quarterback. I’m not guaranteeing it. You’re going to have to earn it. But if the head coach thinks you ought to be the starting quarterback, guess who is going to be the starting quarterback?"
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_a9f994ec-831b-11ea-942b-8b2eab891c8a.html
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Frost screwed up. But would Burrow have been as good at NU as he was at LSU with all those weapons to work with? No. Yeah, NU might have been good enough to go to the Pinstripe Bowl, but not much more. Sometimes you just have to be happy for a kid and the success he's had and build the program here. Frost spurned a good family with Husker connections, but Joe did alright at LSU.
 
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huskerssalts said:
Like I pointed out, I’ll wait to see how year 3 looks before I comment with disappointing or anything like that. Just like Fleck did at Minnesota, Frost and Martinez could end up killing it year 3 like a lot of coaches do during rebuilds. It’s common for teams and coaches to struggle during year 1 and 2...and even year 3 at times. But usually year 3 and up we start seeing progress and promise.
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You've mentioned the comparison to Fleck a lot. But Fleck showed signs of life at the end of the previous season before this one. The last 4 games were:

Won 41-10 @Purdue
Lost 24-14 vs Northwestern
Won 37-15 @Wisconsin (was 37-7 until last possession)
Won 34-10 Bowl vs Georgia Tech

Whereas Nebraska lost 3 of their last 4.
 
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TheWayITellEm said:
You've mentioned the comparison to Fleck a lot. But Fleck showed signs of life at the end of the previous season before this one. The last 4 games were:

Won 41-10 @Purdue
Lost 24-14 vs Northwestern
Won 37-15 @Wisconsin (was 37-7 until last possession)
Won 34-10 Bowl vs Georgia Tech

Whereas Nebraska lost 3 of their last 4.
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Cute! PJ is 1-1 vs Nebraska with Frost, with a plus 2 point win differential. Calm your tits.
 
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maybe a few dissenting posts around here at the time about scott (or bo for that matter) passing on jb.
most, as i remember, echoed scott’s sentiment.
a few saw it was a missed opportunity.
am was considered a pretty big coup for scott at the time.
somehow now, some think we were far more prescient than scott.
we werent.
thats the real rewrite.
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The difference is, we are not being paid millions to know better.
 
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You mean Burrow wanted to play for NU, but Head Coach Scott Frost liked AM2 over JB9???
 
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Bigred_b1624 said:
So Minnesota's peak in current football vs Nebraska's down years? 1-1 current coach record, Nebraska out recruiting Minnesota every year?
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Recruiting is a very valid argument. With consisent Top-20 or Top-30 recruiting (at least on paper), Frost/Nebraska will always have hope 2 years out.
 
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SLOHusker said:
But would Burrow have been as good at NU as he was at LSU with all those weapons to work with? No
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I agree with this. However, at the time Burrow was considering transferring, it was Frost's job to do what was best for Nebraska. Turn's out it was lucky for Joe that he didn't have the Nebraska transfer option. He would have probably won 4 extra games for Nebraska over 2 years, but wouldn't have accomplished anything near what he did at LSU.
 
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Here is what I don't like.

Scott seems to take a laissez-faire approach to coaching the team.

What I mean by this, is he will make statements like the team is actually in charge of how good they are going to be. He will say things like, I've never been part of a team like that before.. as if he is questioning the players resolve to play and leaving that up to them.

I know it's not 97, and maybe things used to be like that, but clearly there isn't the right upper class leadership to leave things up to the kids right now.

Bo would have put his boot in some asses, and made things happen. Scott shrugs his shoulders and punts like, well if they don't want to be that good, then it's on them type of thing.

I also think Scott might be a little too close to the program to be objective. When coaching at another place, he's not thinking of Tom looking over his shoulder or the fan scrutiny like he has here, so Scott might not be doing things the same way as if he were somewhere else.

In either case, he's got to deal with it, and he's getting paid big money to do it.

If he doesn't produce, you have to consider getting someone else who can, and there is always someone else willing to step up and take a swing at it.
 
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NikkiSixx said:
Here is what I don't like.

Scott seems to take a laissez-faire approach to coaching the team.

What I mean by this, is he will make statements like the team is actually in charge of how good they are going to be. He will say things like, I've never been part of a team like that before.. as if he is questioning the players resolve to play and leaving that up to them.

I know it's not 97, and maybe things used to be like that, but clearly there isn't the right upper class leadership to leave things up to the kids right now.

Bo would have put his boot in some asses, and made things happen. Scott shrugs his shoulders and punts like, well if they don't want to be that good, then it's on them type of thing.

I also think Scott might be a little too close to the program to be objective. When coaching at another place, he's not thinking of Tom looking over his shoulder or the fan scrutiny like he has here, so Scott might not be doing things the same way as if he were somewhere else.

In either case, he's got to deal with it, and he's getting paid big money to do it.

If he doesn't produce, you have to consider getting someone else who can, and there is always someone else willing to step up and take a swing at it.
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I wonder whose names are on the list in Moose's drawer.
 
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NikkiSixx said:
Here is what I don't like.

Scott seems to take a laissez-faire approach to coaching the team.

What I mean by this, is he will make statements like the team is actually in charge of how good they are going to be. He will say things like, I've never been part of a team like that before.. as if he is questioning the players resolve to play and leaving that up to them.

I know it's not 97, and maybe things used to be like that, but clearly there isn't the right upper class leadership to leave things up to the kids right now.

Bo would have put his boot in some asses, and made things happen. Scott shrugs his shoulders and punts like, well if they don't want to be that good, then it's on them type of thing.

I also think Scott might be a little too close to the program to be objective. When coaching at another place, he's not thinking of Tom looking over his shoulder or the fan scrutiny like he has here, so Scott might not be doing things the same way as if he were somewhere else.

In either case, he's got to deal with it, and he's getting paid big money to do it.

If he doesn't produce, you have to consider getting someone else who can, and there is always someone else willing to step up and take a swing at it.
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I'm all in stil. In a couple of years, the talent alone will win us games. I just hope that Scott continues to learn how to win games.
 
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