Will he or won't he?

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

Scouts/coaches take a look at how a QB plays relative to the level-of-talent surrounding him.

Thorson has played 3 seasons with NU's GOAT at RB and last year with the best receiver to have come thru Evanston in some time.

Yes, Thorson has better physical attributes than Trevor, but he's not where Siemian was in his last season w/ the 'Cats.

But that's not surprising as Thorson was pretty raw as a passing QB (like Kafka-level raw); QBs like Siemian and Bacher were more polished passers coming into the program.

Thorson still needs to work on keeping his mechanics more consistent and as I had stated before, needs to work on that next level of QB play, extending plays with his legs to set up the pass.

That's something Persa was great at and what Siemian did pretty well when McC finally let Trevor out of the pocket; have also had issues w/ how McC has handled Thorson in that regard.

Too often, McC has kept Thorson stationary in the pocket and not making use of his speed (for a QB).

Now, not necessarily asking for how Kafka was used earlier in his career, but what's the use of recruiting QBs with above avg. mobility if you're not going to use it (have used it more often the past few games)?

But when Thorson runs, he's still more of a tuck it and run QB than trying to extend the play and looking downfield for an open receiver.

Also, while he has more straight-line speed than Trevor, Clayton is more stiff has a runner (has less wiggle).

If Thorson gets a 2nd rnd grade, then he should leave; but don't think he'll get that unless he really pours it on these next 2 games and in the bowl game.

A 3rd rnd grade makes the decision a 50-50 proposition, maybe leaning more to coming back.

With Larkin and CT \we will be tough!

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

Toughness? He gets hammered in every game we play against a decent opponent. What are you looking for him to do, chew glass? Executing 5 straight OT touchdown drives shows me something about mental toughness.

CT is significantly better than TS ever was at NU. Not close. Love TS, but let’s be real here. Seen every home game from both of them. This isn’t to say CT will be a better Pro or even stick on a roster. Don’t know.

ECat- questioning CT’s toughness ( has he ever missed a start) is out of your Lane here.

CT has way more upside than TS

 

[corbi2961]

Disagree. Siemian demonstrated a toughness that I have yet to see out of Thorson. His work vs. Notre Dame was more impressive than anything Thorson has shown to date, not to mention the 4th quarter relief appearances he pitched upon multiple occasions earlier. Kubiak basically said he drafted Thorson on the basis of the Notre Dame tape, and the throws he was making, the decisions, and the leadership he showed. Thorson has not demonstrated he can play to that level yet.

Thorson physically is better than Siemian but he doesn't have the head (though Siemian didn't show it in his last few outings). There's a reason Siemian beat out Paxton Lynch earlier, and it's the same reason he was ahead of where Thorson is now.

Thoughness, doesn't have the head? Not really sure what you are getting at here. Thorson has been one of the most sacked QBs in D1 during his multiple year career as a starter and has never missed a start. My recollection is that Trevor was injured mutilple times despite starting fewer games. I am not sure how you can question Thorson's toughness vs. Trevor's based on this track record. Like I said, I think they have similar weaknesses at the same time of their college careers. Clayton has more athleticism than Trevor had and therefore would be drafted a few rounds higher if he were to come out.

 

[hdhntr1]

Thoughness, doesn't have the head? Not really sure what you are getting at here. Thorson has been one of the most sacked QBs in D1 during his multiple year career as a starter and has never missed a start. My recollection is that Trevor was injured mutilple times despite starting fewer games. I am not sure how you can question Thorson's toughness vs. Trevor's based on this track record. Like I said, I think they have similar weaknesses at the same time of their college careers. Clayton has more athleticism than Trevor had and therefore would be drafted a few rounds higher if he were to come out.

Iam not sure he meant injury prone. He likely meant within the game being willing to stand in, deliver the pass and then take the hit. I am not sure there is any merit to that line of thought but if that is what he is thinking it may be more of an unsubstantiated feeling than anything else.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

He won't.

You conceding

 

[xxxbobxxx]

And this is exactly why so many here have a certain opinion of you.

Yeah, there are others who have rubbed many here the wrong way, but at least they've done it w/ some style (or are just taken for being eccentric).

Hello

 

[Katatonic]

CT has way more upside than TS

No one is disputing that - had stated that numerous times myself.

But Thorson isn't where TS was in decision making and being able to extend passing plays.

Hello

Same to you.

 

[Katatonic]

One of the reasons McCall likely did not like CT rolling is it cuts the field in half and our receivers have not been that great getting open. He has also not shown to be accurate throwing on the run.

Agree on the latter part.

But it's not like the receivers were any better and McC finally did start moving the pocket w/ Siemian in the 4th Q of the Michigan game (and UM had one of the best defenses in the conference).

 

[EvanstonCat]

Thoughness, doesn't have the head? Not really sure what you are getting at here. Thorson has been one of the most sacked QBs in D1 during his multiple year career as a starter and has never missed a start. My recollection is that Trevor was injured mutilple times despite starting fewer games. I am not sure how you can question Thorson's toughness vs. Trevor's based on this track record. Like I said, I think they have similar weaknesses at the same time of their college careers. Clayton has more athleticism than Trevor had and therefore would be drafted a few rounds higher if he were to come out.

Toughness perhaps is the wrong word. Or rather not sufficiently precise. I meant mental toughness. I don't think Clayton is as poised as Trevor was. He still gets rattled.

Clayton has more athleticism, but Trevor's edge is mental - which is why he beat out Paxton Lynch who is arguably even more physically gifted than Clayton.

Truly, I'm struggling to capture the point, so I'll just let Peyton Manning do it. What he saw in Trevor (and Kubiak) and why he beat out QBs who were more physically gifted, is where Clayton is not quite there yet.

https://scout.com/nfl/denver-bronco...on-Manning-Shares-Thoughts-On-Trevo-107814152

 

[pawildcat_rivals209725]

I make no claim to any football expertise, but Thorson still seems inconsistent with his mechanics week to week and even within a game. And he still has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long at times — his pocket presence could use some work. He's not a good option QB (he doesn't seem to have a fast-twitch read as to when he should pitch or keep the ball), but there are times I think he could take off and run a few more times when he gets a lane as he did with the TD against Purdue.