WhyThe Left loves Islam
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Spot on 100% correct about the Left.
In fact I'd challenge any of them who regularly post on this board to tell me where they disagree with his characterizations of how they view America, the West, Islam, or virtually anything else he said about their world view or overall philosophy.
He is completely correct in both what they advocate, and how they argue for it and I'd defy any of them who post those same arguments on this forum to deny any of it.
Good post.
The "right" and freedom loving people despise ANY form of totalitarian authority that restricts people's ability to live or worship freely.
In America Muslims are free to practice their Faith. Yet in nations dominated by Islam, Christians nor any other Religion have no such Freedom to worship.
They are killed only for their Faith, unlike here where we are prepared if necessary die in order to defend anyone's right to freely practice theirs.
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I'm really disappointed none of you on the Left so desperate to prove a Trump a "traitor" have acepted this challenge about this guy who has called all of you out and stripped you naked in this video.
Who are the courageous Patriots on the Left on this board who are ready to deny what this guy says about you? Where is he wrong? What do you disagree with him on?
Anyone?
Who are the courageous Patriots on the Left on this board who are ready to deny what this guy says about you? Where is he wrong? What do you disagree with him on?
Anyone?
I love the right of religious freedom. Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, witches, shamans, and everyone else should have the protection to practice their spirituality (or lack of) and pursue their personal relationship with God (or life) in America! Unless they infringe upon the rights of other Americans, then their bs should get rejected by those with the American mind --- not before.
boomer I actually thought of you when he described how folks on the Left often call wealthy people evil...his Wal-Mart example. You've made that EXACT SAME argument to me on this forum several times!
It was amazing.
boomer that is not how he characterized the Left operates. That "openness" you speak of is neither practiced nor tolerated today by the Left in America, or anywhere else where Government controls the people.
The racial accusatory nature of White people, and the villification of wealth on the Left was spot on, and most of you believe the exact same thing he pointed out.
Not true?
Where is he wrong?
To say someone shouldn't be trusted isn't calling someone evil. To say someone is greedy, isn't calling someone evil. I don't throw that word around at all.....I don't see that NGOs in such black and white terms. I do however think that large corporations and executives have lost complete touch with people and in a large part their relationship with personal integrity. The pressure to win, to succeed, to be better than those that held the position before you can cause even good men to make decisions that endanger and exploit others.
I don't hate rich people or big corporations, but I don't think they should be given Carte Blanche over the livelihood and well being of Americans. Those connected to communities, care about the communities. Doesn't your Bible say some things about money, and its power to corrupt?
Boomer why don't you trust people who are wealthy? Why are they "greedy". Why do you get to decide how much money they should have or make?
One man's opinion on what's wrong with the "left" doesn't mean anything to me. Especially when it's part of a national narrative designed to polarize people and "vilify" an opposition political ideology. And that very openness is practiced by liberals I know. I don't subscribe to this half-assed Facebook/tv talking points approach to analysis of public opinion.
Yes, as it also warns against the Love of Man over Love for Almighty God. In effect you can't worship two Masters. You will love one and hate the other.
If you Love money, even above God, it will destroy you. If you deny God, and worship the State as his replacement, it will destroy you.
Wealth nor Government are not forbidden in "my" Bible boom. It's the worship of each over Almighty God's authority that gets one into trouble.
You still didn't say where he was wrong. It's not one man's opinion, he described EXACTLY how most of you folks think and EXACTLY what you argue for!
Wealth resdistribution, unfairness, equality of results, the whole enchillada!
I didn't say anything like that. I said to say that someone shouldn't be trusted, isn't saying they are evil. Some wealthy people can be trusted, some poor people can't. I didn't think I had to explain that to you.
And no one should decide for another how much is enough. But I imagine, once someone crosses a moral line in their pursuit of the almighty dollar, they know. Greed isn't just a problem when it comes to money either.
boomer he argues EXACTLY what you've posted here!
you said:
"I do however think that large corporations and executives have lost complete touch with people and in a large part their relationship with personal integrity. The pressure to win, to succeed, to be better than those that held the position before you can cause even good men to make decisions that endanger and exploit others.
I don't hate rich people or big corporations, but I don't think they should be given Carte Blanche over the livelihood and well being of Americans".
When he described why you folks want to take down coprorate America and redistribute the wealth he was saying EXACTLY what you just posted back in #9 of this thread!
It's one thing to disagree, but to deny what you actually believe is another form of delusion in my opinion.
Most on the left want a communist utopia? Fvcking hilarious, and as ******** as his snotty, tight ***, know it all voice. Not everyone that wins, does it through virtue. And not everyone who loses lacks virtue either. To see the world in such simplistic, and distorted terms is dangerous and counterproductive.
When did I say I wanted to take down corporate America? I simply want them to be more in touch with communities. Personally I believe the fix is through the consumer. I do not call for redistribution of wealth, I call for a government that helps those in need to be able to help themselves.
You just put words in my mouth. The narrative that the right spins is so powerful, that someone like you has literally no control over allowing your anger and vengeance against whom you are told is the root of all problems in your life from clouding your ability to listen and understand those who have different opinions than yourself. Crazy thing is....then you blame someone like me for doing that exact thing.
This sort of altruism is admirable in you boomer. But tell me something.
Let's suppose I just don't subscribe to your ideals of social responsibility? Suppose I just want to make money, mind my own business and get as rich as I can giving to whatever philanthropy as I see fit or choose?
Why would you "force" Government to adjust my wishes and do with my money what you suggest should be done with it? I'm not saying you're wrong thinking as you do about civic obligations, but why do you want to use the Government to "force" my compliance into it if I have a different view over how to use my own earned money particularly if I'm guided by a Spiritual journey that defies the Government doing for my fellow Man what I can do for him or for myself?
Aren't you for this that you posted in #6 of this thread?
"everyone else should have the protection to practice their spirituality (or lack of) and pursue their personal relationship with God (or life) in America! Unless they infringe upon the rights of other Americans"
OK that's fine boomer, but most companies aren't interested in your Social Welfare desires. They are trying to grow and make profits, and he says (video guy) you folks on the Left think that's evil and I don't see where you disagree with him?
And why do you think that's all businesses should be concerned about? Again, there is nothing wrong with that if they choose to be as civic minded as you are, but suppose they have other objectives or desires? You're going to "force" them into your way of thinking?
And you're worried about Religious zealots?
Because you are a member of a democratic republic and we elect officials that decide what to do with the tax money collected for the greater good of the nation. I elect officials that want to use that money to protect my family: from foreign states yes, but also from drug addiction, crime, disease, environmental dangers, oppression, and from a potential poverty stricken gut wrenching existence should my family have a string of bad luck. You elect the officials you chose to elect, and let them decide what to do with the taxes collected, or let them decide to collect no tax. I have no problem with you devoting your life to money, but I would have a problem with working for you, or your marrying my daughter, or you being in charge of the nation's well being....because I would think that your priorities are askew. I say this through experience....that money isn't everything, and it can't make you truly satisfied and happy. Sure helps to have good times and awesome experiences, but not a rich life in the end.
boomer I'm not angry or vengeful. I'm amused at how you are denying what that guy says you believe about Corporate America and the pursuit of wealth, all the while you are accusing me of "putting words" in your mouth!
It's actually quite amusing. You're denying what he's described about you, while arguing exactly what he says you deny!
Amuzing...and funny!
I think businesses should worry about their employees lives, about helping eliminate stress and increasing happiness of their employees, I think they should care about helping families spend time together, I think they should be responsible citizens as well in regards to crime, the environment, and national safety. Businesses benefit from these things as well....it's not just one sided. Productivity goes up when employees are happy. Crime and drug addiction go down when families are stronger, employees and customers are of more benefit when healthy and are healthier when the environment is healthier. For me, it's not that government should force this change in perspective, it's that the change in perspective in the majority of people should force businesses to change their perspective towards true cost and true revenue.
boomer I agree with you here more than you suspect. We part ways over how to achieve our objectives. I trust people empowered with their own money to make their own decisions. You'd prefer (arguably for a good purpose) to empower the Government to do those things we either cannot do or refuse to do.
If there is a common thread between us, it is our desire to see no one suffer and no one in need without a form of relief.
Where we disagree is if an ever expanding State, confiscating earnings produced by free people, is more efficient accomplishing those objectives than the people who actually earn the money?
I do agree with you that a consensus on the proper role of Government in these affairs is needed. This is the reason I prefer to look toward the Constitution, which specifically limits Government's role in these things because of its tendency to grow only itself at the expense of the people it ostensibly is set up to help.
If we could agree on a proper role of Government, and leave the rest to the people who already know what they need and how to get it...we could not only reach that consensus, but have enough aid for those who truly would need it while not infringing on the rights of others to not be forced to subsidize those who do not.
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I agree boomer, but let them sort that out for themselves. Stop insisting big Government knows better how to meet their needs or accomplish these things than they do.
The government was laissez fair in the past and many in the nation were suffering substantially while business hoarded large amounts of power and control over government. Look at the mining camps and company script that retarded the development of our beloved state as an example of those policies in the past.
boomer the end result of massive Government intervention in almost any affairs involving free enterprise has been to either delay, damage or destroy our ability to grow and meet our needs.
Pick any activity.
War on Poverty? More poor people, crushing debt. Permanent underclass built on Government dependence.
Clean air? Businesses shuttered and air supposedly dirtier than ever.(according to global alarmists)
Education? Schools underachieving and falling behind with illiteracy and incompetency among vast majorities of students.
Health care? Insurance companies dropping coverage, premiums skyrocketing, costs escalating.
It goes on and on my friend.
Big Government during the depression prolonged it, didn't end it.
Big Government running our banks has resulted in fewer banks and less money to lend.
Big Government trying to force social & racial integration has resulted in more polarization and as much racial strife as when we were holding Slaves against their will.
Government has a role boomer. However it is not THE answer to all that ails us as the Left insists it to be.
I'd argue it causes more problems than it ever solves the bigger it gets trying to solve our problems.
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