Why not try a zone?

kybassfan

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Haven’t been on this board in a while, glad to see some things haven’t changed like your “I know everything” “we would got crushed by a zone” (even though there is zero evidence of that. Posters like you are like hemorrhoids…they won’t go away.
You are right. If you ignore the fact that Puke is an excellent passing team, our footwork sucks, we reach too much, our team defensive skills are minimal and we have guys that barely play man to man, then we are stupendous candidates for playing zone. I don’t know anyone stupid enough to ignore all that.

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rockout1

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You are right. If you ignore the fact that Puke is an excellent passing team, our footwork sucks, we reach too much, our team defensive skills are minimal and we have guys that barely play man to man, then we are stupendous candidates for playing zone. I don’t know anyone stupid enough to ignore all that.

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Much better strategy was to let 2 players that we couldn’t guard just continue to beat us by playing man to man. Got it!
 
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Kybluedude

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I doubt that is possible.

Man to man kept us from getting ripped by 30. Zone very stupid under those conditions.
1-12 Duke shooting 3s. Zone was warranted. It’s not rocket science.

Anyone who has ever played will tell you the zone isn’t overwhelming to play and would have forced Duke to change their game plan and stop the one pass pick and roll or straight line drives. Force their 2 freshman to shoot over defenders rather than layups.
 

kybassfan

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1-12 Duke shooting 3s. Zone was warranted. It’s not rocket science.

Anyone who has ever played will tell you the zone isn’t overwhelming to play and would have forced Duke to change their game plan and stop the one pass pick and roll or straight line drives. Force their 2 freshman to shoot over defenders rather than layups.
Had fun in church league did you?

Anyone that’s played a zone that will succeed at that level will tell you it is MUCH harder than man to man. The way Puke passes, they’d have cut a zone to shreds.

Surely you don’t still believe that zone busting is done only by shooting from outside. Laughs.
 

rockout1

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1-12 Duke shooting 3s. Zone was warranted. It’s not rocket science.

Anyone who has ever played will tell you the zone isn’t overwhelming to play and would have forced Duke to change their game plan and stop the one pass pick and roll or straight line drives. Force their 2 freshman to shoot over defenders rather than layups.
Don’t try to have a conversation with kybassman…he put the dumb in dumbass.
 

Kybluedude

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Perhaps but I’m not stupid enough to think a zone would have accomplished a thing.
Fishing may be more your sport. Wow- can’t believe you don’t think a zone would have helped or at minimum been tried. Read it Duke 1-12 on 3s. No shooters. Their game plan. Isolate 1 on 1- pick and roll and drive to finish at the rim. 1 footers vs 20 footers.
Pretty weak. First time delving into basketball because you have have a novice take. Anyone who played will tell you zones aren’t rocket science that’s why it’s taught in 3rd grade basketball.
 

kybassfan

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Fishing may be more your sport. Wow- can’t believe you don’t think a zone would have helped or at minimum been tried. Read it Duke 1-12 on 3s. No shooters. Their game plan. Isolate 1 on 1- pick and roll and drive to finish at the rim. 1 footers vs 20 footers.
Pretty weak. First time delving into basketball because you have have a novice take. Anyone who played will tell you zones aren’t rocket science that’s why it’s taught in 3rd grade basketball.
That’s correct. Zones are easy to play. Tough to master. If not we’ll played, a good passing team will shred them in the middle. Duke is an excellent passing team. We struggle with man to man. An outstanding zone is out of their reach right now.
 

Kybluedude

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^ Yep Duke had a grand total of 7 assists -scary good passing team - to go with their outstanding outside shooting demonstrated by their 1-13 3 point 8% sharpshooting.
Give it up
 

Catfan2226

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I dont think anyone is saying play zone all game like Syracuse but it would have given Duke a different look.Coach Ks game plan never changed throughout the game because Cal never adapted.Duke went north south all game.pick and roll..layups...just throwing different situational defenses may have knocked enough points off to have made a difference...of course we aren't going to play zone for a full game but it sure as hell would come in handy when your *** is getting beat one on one consistently.
 

rockout1

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Perhaps but I’m not stupid enough to think a zone would have accomplished a thing.
Funny, I listened to Jack Givens on Tom Leach’s show this morning and he said he really thought this team would an effective zone team. But I guess you know much more than the Goose.
 

kybassfan

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Funny, I listened to Jack Givens on Tom Leach’s show this morning and he said he really thought this team would an effective zone team. But I guess you know much more than the Goose.
Good for Goose. When he is the coach, he can play zone. Then again you are assuming he’d actually do that. He may just be looking to score points with gullible listeners.

Its this way. You can keep this silly crap up long as you like. Doesn’t change crap. There will be little or no zone. Maybe you could stump against world hunger. That won’t work either but at least the cause makes sense
 

rockout1

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Fishing may be more your sport. Wow- can’t believe you don’t think a zone would have helped or at minimum been tried. Read it Duke 1-12 on 3s. No shooters. Their game plan. Isolate 1 on 1- pick and roll and drive to finish at the rim. 1 footers vs 20 footers.
Pretty weak. First time delving into basketball because you have have a novice take. Anyone who played will tell you zones aren’t rocket science that’s why it’s taught in 3rd grade basketball.
You’re 100% correct. Ole bassman will argue even when he knows he’s wrong…by far the worst posted on this board and that’s saying something.
 

rockout1

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Perhaps but I’m not stupid enough to think a zone would have accomplished a thing.
I guess you think Jack Givens is stupid as well then. He stared on Tom Leach’s show that this would be a good zone team.
 

BourbonBalz

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We get these threads every single year, and the answer is always the same: Cal doesn’t do zones (and he doesn’t press). His defensive philosophy is very simple: basic half-court man to man played hard …and at nearly all times.

You’d think after 12-plus years we would’ve all figured it out. There’s no point in continuing to call for him to play zones and/or press. It ain’t ever gonna happen. No coach in the country is more anti-zone than Cal.
You said all of that like it’s a good thing. It isn’t. We need to be able to mix some zone in when our man defense is overmatched. The mere fact that we never have that option is telling.
 
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BourbonBalz

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We do this every year. Anybody can play a half assed zone. That’s why you use them in church league. Duke would have crushed us if we had gone to a zone.

Rule of thumb. If a team can’t play man to man, they have NO CHANCE to play zone. An outstanding zone is hard work. Requires excellent communication and polished team defensive skills. Our players must have great footwork and move their feet or they will reach and get in foul trouble. They struggle with that in man to man. No way the can play a good zone.

We have 1 or maybe 2 players with the kind of defensive skills to run a zone. Learn the game.
You can continue with the same old stale ******** if you like, but it doesn’t make you any more right than any other year. You simply do not have a clue.
 
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BourbonBalz

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Haven’t been on this board in a while, glad to see some things haven’t changed like your “I know everything” “we would got crushed by a zone” (even though there is zero evidence of that. Posters like you are like hemorrhoids…they won’t go away.
He knows absolutely NOTHING, but he did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express one time.
 
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*CatinIL*

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ZONE? ZONE?

 

BourbonBalz

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I haven’t seen a legit 1 3 1 in years. Not sure why other than cross court passing was its Achilles heel. Coaches used to beat you for a cross court pass. Not so much these days. The zones you see are the 2 3 or some variation of that.

A good passing team will shred a zone. if Krychitski does anything, he can teach passing. We were in no way ready to through a zone at them.
You’re right. We weren’t. Why? Because Cal never teaches or practices it. Why? He doesn’t know how.
 
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kybassfan

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You can continue with the same old stale ******** if you like, but it doesn’t make you any more right than any other year. You simply do not have a clue.
Really? Let's see if we play zone much at all. Then tell me who is right.
 

kybassfan

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Every kid playing basketball from grade school all the way through High school have been taught 2-3 2-1-2 1-3-1 etc along with inbounds plays. It’s not rocket science.
Now this guy NEVER played in a competent zone. Because little kiddies can stand on one spot on the floor doesn't make it a good college defense. Dude, they can PASS!! They'd have shredded a piss poor zone. Nobody breaks a zone shooting over it anymore. You attack it head up with penetration and passing.
 

ScottGreene22

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Now this guy NEVER played in a competent zone. Because little kiddies can stand on one spot on the floor doesn't make it a good college defense. Dude, they can PASS!! They'd have shredded a piss poor zone. Nobody breaks a zone shooting over it anymore. You attack it head up with penetration and passing.
That Dook team loses Tuesday if KY plays a zone…….
 
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BourbonBalz

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Now this guy NEVER played in a competent zone. Because little kiddies can stand on one spot on the floor doesn't make it a good college defense. Dude, they can PASS!! They'd have shredded a piss poor zone. Nobody breaks a zone shooting over it anymore. You attack it head up with penetration and passing.
Why do you stick to the point that a zone we played would be “piss poor”? It wouldn’t be if we actually worked on it. You play a zone when teams are kicking your butt in the paint and/ or when you can’t stop dribble penetration. Duke did most of their damage in the paint. They had superior athletes, which is another reason you play some zone. It might have slowed them down and it might not have on that particular night, but the telling part is we weren’t in a position to switch it up to see. We no longer have Anthony Davus, KAT, Willie, Wall, etc. who are just physically better than the opponent. We can no longer just rely on superior athleticism. That’s exactly why we need to be able to mix up our defenses. We’ve been through this many times before and you just don’t get it.
 

kybassfan

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Oh we won’t because Cal refuses to do so, even when his man defense is getting it’s *** kicked. It’s beyond obvious he doesn’t know how to teach something I played in Jr. Pro ball.
Well Junior Pro ball boy, I’m guessing your zone sucked. Why? Your man to man sucked. The man that makes the money says man to man. He has a natty. You got a tshirt.
 

Bigtyrone

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We played zone and a trapping press in the first half. We have depth to play full court, but I don't think we have the length to be as disruptive as some of Cal's other teams would have been if they used it.
 

kybassfan

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Why do you stick to the point that a zone we played would be “piss poor”? It wouldn’t be if we actually worked on it. You play a zone when teams are kicking your butt in the paint and/ or when you can’t stop dribble penetration. Duke did most of their damage in the paint. They had superior athletes, which is another reason you play some zone. It might have slowed them down and it might not have on that particular night, but the telling part is we weren’t in a position to switch it up to see. We no longer have Anthony Davus, KAT, Willie, Wall, etc. who are just physically better than the opponent. We can no longer just rely on superior athleticism. That’s exactly why we need to be able to mix up our defenses. We’ve been through this many times before and you just don’t get it.
Can’t play man to man. Can’t play zone. Unless it’s church league and best you can do is stand flat footed with your arms up. I don’t care about some half *** zone in peewee pro ball or what grade schoolers do when they are learning the ball bouncers. We’re gonna pkay man to man. You haters are going to lay in the floor and scream. I get it