I enjoy ECats posts. If we are being serious though, there are two facts and an opinion I feel pretty confident in expressing. Fact 1. In the history both long and short-term, there have been individuals and cultural aspects of the OSU football team that have been disdainful and ethically suspect if not outright wrong. Fact 2. In the history of OSU football, that makes up a small percentage of the individuals and overall culture of OSU football. 3. In my opinion, while ECat’s feelings are very real, the visceral hatred is based more on the football team’s success on the field, especially in comparison to the experience with NU. The basis of my opinion is that there have been and are individuals and programs at other Univeristies that have done similar actions and in many cases much worse. While ECat’s sense of ethics may lead him to dislike those programs as well, by his own admission many times over, not as much as Ohio State.
Why I hate dOSU
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"Even though we are deceived, still believe. Though we are betrayed, still forgive. Love completely even those who hate you." Sun Myung Moon
I know that's a tall order.
Fact 1: gratifying to see a Buckeye fan admit this, even if it irrefutable and even as it is glossed over here
Fact 2: vehemently dispute that this is limited to a fringe element at dOSU. It is not a small percentage of individuals and overall culture when academic fraud is perpetrated as a part of the system. The rot is institutionalized when tutors who blow the whistle are ostracized, fired, and attacked to the point of literally losing their minds. It isn't a case of isolation, when you have more players getting in trouble with the law than graduating during a 4 year period. It is indeed permeated throughout the culture and the institution that is duh Ohio State when the atrocities continue unabated across multiple regimes of both head coaches and ADs. Despite your acknowledgement of Fact 1, it is indeed glossed over and somewhat worthless when dOSU denial rears it's head in so called Fact 2.
As to your opinion, it is far more on the mark than your laughable assertion in Fact 2. I would change the word "more" to "also" but otherwise I plead guilty to your opinion. Absolutely I hate dOSU because of what has also happened on the field. If we pounded you like we are pounding Illinois, then there would be less hate. For every game we bleed from you, yes, a little of the hate will dissipate, until 47 years of pain and suffering are accounted for. I hate you more than the SEC cesspools that are equally or perhaps even more corrupt, because we face you much more and we are associated to your stench through the B1G. But, make no mistake - as I noted earlier, if you ran your program like it was run under Woody - where kids were made to "play school" and better themselves and not exploited like poor Sammy Maldonaldo, and your soul wasn't sold just to win at football, then I would respect you, and want to emulate you. Not hate you. But, that you beat our asses and you do it by cheating, yes that's the source of my hate. It flies in the face of my sense for justice, of my ideals of good and evil. Evil being rewarded is something I hate. Especially at the expense of good.
No thanks. Being a moonie is not at all in the cards for me here.
I prefer this approach here and I know Fitz does as well:
Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of the evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee! Samuel L. Jackson (as Jules)
OSU fans on the mainboard mentioned ECat, saw his thread on Buckeye board. So yes it did.
The word is "hate" is rather strong. I "hate" the Michigan athletic program, but I have nothing against its fans,players, coaches, etc. With that said, if Michigan's women's badminton team were playing Iran, I'd be there in all of my Ohio State garb, cheering wildly, for Iran! 
You have your characters confused. You are Vincent, not Jules. Take your shoes off before the dance, and don't go to the bathroom.
Tress made sure he beat MAC teams by less than 20. Lol He was clearly displeased with the NW dirty play. He actually wasn’t afraid to say so, and that’s saying something for Tress. He took great joy in smacking Fitz around
This is a hyperbolic mess of a message board post. It’s heavy on the faux outrage, but lacks any objective facts. Where is the cheating that is an “affront to justice and peace loving people the world over”? Lol! Are you referring to the tattoo scandal where players traded their property for tats? You do understand that’s not even a scandal at NW, right? That might not even make the back page of the Trib. It’s a story because it’s Ohio Freaking State. OSU drives page views. It’s a giant fan base and one if the most hated programs in America. Nobody hates Oregon State. They don’t hate them because they aren’t any good. The amount of hate OSU gets is proportional to their success. This isn’t hard.
You're point about being very good is at the crux of this, but the analogy of tOSU to Pulp Fiction also is. There is bad stuff going on, made to look normal.
What is the “bad stuff going on”? The hyperbolic rant I’m responding to is some sort of strange amalgamation of random scandals at various schools. He claims more kids get arrested than graduate. The last kid I recall getting arrested was JT Barrett in 2016 for the horrific crime of DUI. I’m sure no NW players have ever committed such atrocities
Um, in Illinois DUI IS a pretty serious crime. I thought it might also be in Ohio, but guess I was wrong.
Oh yeah, SEMPER FI Army Buck.
If the pattern of misconduct at OSU is as pervasive as ECat claims and substantiates via his reported sources, that's pretty damning, IMO. A Big Ten program should do better.
This brings to mind the powerful Eastwood film "Unforgiven" which depicts how violence corrupts the soul when it is made to seem "normal" or even glorified by those who have not directly experienced its ravages.
Bill Munny understands this, and in his older years only wants to escape this horrible truth. But he cannot. And to the frontier community of Big Whiskey comes the writer Beauchamp, who thinks he can romanticize violence in his writings about the gunfighter. Also comes English Bob, who glorifies violence by playing the mythic gunfighter. Also comes the Schofield Kid, who thinks killing is a sport. And there is Little Bill, who justifies violence as a means to keep the peace, rather than avoiding violence by upholding the law.
They all converge on Big Whiskey to right some wrong committed against a helpless woman. Violence in the name of the law. Violence begets more violence. Those lucky enough to live learn that violence corrupts the soul.
You need to read all of ECat's posts this week, but there probably isn't enough time to do that since he's been chronicling various crimes and indiscretions in various threads for over a week now. We indulge him because he is one of ours, but given his body of work, he may have a point. Sorry.
Then there was this character Woody Hayes who believed that physical violence makes one tougher. In a good way.
Sorry ECat, but I’m pretty sure more players don’t get into trouble with the law than graduate over a 4 year period, and while I wouldn’t argue that no player tries to take unfair advantage of his football playing status in the classroom, it’s unlikely that the majority of them do. I would say it’s very unlikely that even a large minority do, but I understand the hate and the need to justify the hate.
In 2018, a NW coach was arrested for DUI. A Freaking Coach! In 2017, a NW player was arrested for cocain. Selling coke seems like a pretty serious crime. OSU has no players arrested in 2 years.
I know ECat threw out his hook, line and sinker and you bit, but what are you talking about with a “NW” coach being arrested in 2018 for a DUI?
I wondered the same thing, and after a quick google search found a coach at a Northwestern High School that had been arrested for DWI.
Lol, I thought maybe we had a Fencing Coach or someone I didn’t know about that he dug up. A HS Coach, a freaking Coach as he said, hilarious.
Actually there are very few, if any, posters on this board who want NU to be OSU. Winning is great. Winning at any cost, however, is the opposite of great .
In 2007? Garrick McGee, and his contract was subsequently terminated. There’s a reason he went from B1G OC to B12 QB coach.
Lol. I googled “NW football arrest”. The first thing that came up was a coach arrested. It appears northwestern is a common name. It was a high school. I’m a purveyor of fake news. My apologies
I have been exposed. I feel real shame. I should have read it. In my defense, NU is often confused with a high school when opposing fans first step foot in Ryan Field.
Also, Xavier Washington was arrested for coke just last year. That means NU has more felony arrest than OSU in the last 5 years.
Northwestern is also often confused with an Ivy League school, until one looks at the B1G West football standings for 2018.
Lol. Literally nobody has ever confused NW with and Ivy League school. NW is in suburban Chicago. The Ivy League is in the Northeast. Cornell is the most Western of the Ivy League schools.
I'm aware of where the Ivy League is, I graduated from Penn. Strange, my local Ivy League alumni network includes Northwestern, from which I also graduated. Convenient.
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First off, an Ivy League Alumni network is a pretty funny concept. Second, your network is wrong to include a BIG school.