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Speaking of regional power, this whole downhill slide started when we left the Big East. As we all know, the east is the liberal media stronghold, and when the liberal media saw us joining forces with those Texas schools it did all it could to undermine us, including diabolically supporting that carpetbagger Ollie Luck for athletic director. If you haven't been paying attention until recently, it was the liberal media that pushed Fielding Yost to Michigan, sent Curt Warner to State Penn, and didn't you see a lot of mysterious media members at that announcement in Charleston at the BBQ joint a couple of weeks back? How did Chasman Davis not end up here? JT Perry not stay eligible? Tevta Finau never qualify?
 
cheatlakerob

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DubVeeTexan said:
Wind farms in the Appalachians are a joke, an eye sore, a disturbance of natural habitat and a drain on taxpayer dollars from subsidies. As for solar, enjoy it with the 70 sunny days a year in the area...
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Lol. "70 sunny days".

Cmon man. Wind farms are a "joke" and an "eye sore"? How about the scarred, completley destroyed mountain tops from blasting? Are those awesome to look at while driving in on 68?
 
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cheatlakerob said:
Lol. "70 sunny days".

Cmon man. Wind farms are a "joke" and an "eye sore"? How about the scarred, completley destroyed mountain tops from blasting? Are those awesome to look at while driving in on 68?
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You could be driving old rt 19 for 7 hrs to Charleston. Its called progress.
 
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Great thread. Really love the discussion. Hey, why don't we bring up some other points? What are everyone's thoughts on:

  • Abortion
  • The death penalty
  • Affirmative action
  • The gender wage gap
  • The best 80s hair bands
 
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I need to get me one of those water sheds. Mine has a leak in it.
 
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Mog said:
Great thread. Really love the discussion. Hey, why don't we bring up some other points? What are everyone's thoughts on:

  • Abortion
  • The death penalty
  • Affirmative action
  • The gender wage gap
  • The best 80s hair bands
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Are you the board police now, Mog? I pay my $10/month and I can post whatever I wan.. (THREAD NUKED FROM ORBIT).
 
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Mog said:
Great thread. Really love the discussion. Hey, why don't we bring up some other points? What are everyone's thoughts on:

  • Abortion
  • The death penalty
  • Affirmative action
  • The gender wage gap
  • The best 80s hair bands
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No Donald Trump?
 
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DubVeeTexan

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cheatlakerob said:
Lol. "70 sunny days".

Cmon man. Wind farms are a "joke" and an "eye sore"? How about the scarred, completley destroyed mountain tops from blasting? Are those awesome to look at while driving in on 68?
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@ThatNehlenFeelin We mine just as much coal where I'm from as you "real WVians" do. I'm not saying I'm a fan of coal. I am however saying wind farms don't produce nearly enough electricity to be feasible and they require massive subsidies. Same with solar. The only place they work is Minnesota. When the wind starts blowing in WV like it does in Minnesota then come talk to me. At this point your best bet is nuclear or natural gas. So good luck with your turbines and solar panels.
 
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@ThatNehlenFeelin We mine just as much coal where I'm from as you "real WVians" do. I'm not saying I'm a fan of coal. I am however saying wind farms don't produce nearly enough electricity to be feasible and they require massive subsidies. Same with solar. The only place they work is Minnesota. When the wind starts blowing in WV like it does in Minnesota then come talk to me. At this point your best bet is nuclear or natural gas. So good luck with your turbines and solar panels.
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Wind power, as the technology exists today, is a joke made up to make libs feel good about themselves. Their guilt trip costs you big!

http://www.newsweek.com/whats-true-cost-wind-power-321480
 
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WVU enginEER said:
The "liberal media" he said. It's because West Virginia did not vote for Obama; so Obama, and now Hillary, are intent on destroying our economy and tax base. Why people don't see this is beyond me. Obama is using the EPA to cause massive sewer rate increases in the eastern panhandle. Killing coal industry and mining jobs. And the media is helping get the job done.

If you don't believe we all will be paying higher taxes and more for health care in 12 months, you are clueless. No insult intended.
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I'm LMFAO at this insane analysis.
 
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El~Scronko said:
why dont u get back on that boat to corsica, ya chicken parm eatin **** heel
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It's Calabria.... but, that does not compare to you making it over that wall that Mr. Trump is designing............. as................ we............... speak...
 
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If you dumped chicken shite in my yard, I'd come after you. It's the same principle.
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You going to feel that way when they come and measure your asphalt driveway to determine your fair rain tax?
 
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A1eer said:
The plight of WV coal jobs is not something that just recently turned sour under Obama or any other President. Before you give that much credit to any one person you might need to know that in 1940(before massive surface mining) coal employment in WV peaked at 130,000 by 1960 that number had dwindled to 50,000 coal miners employed in WV, by 1990 that number had dropped to approximately 30,000. When Bush left office in 2008 there were 20,000 miners working in WV. In 2012, after Obamas 1st term there were 22,000 miners working. Wonder what happened? I guess Bush hated WV and coal. Obviously, strip mines caused a massive loss of coal jobs and had nothing to do with environmental concerns. It is also a fact that coal sales in recent years have been undercut by natural gas(Marcellus shale) and other cheaper sources which feed the numerous power plants. Coal just cant compete with cheaper, cleaner forms of energy, nor should it, we cant keep cannibalizing our planet forever. Since Nixon created the EPA, our air and water has gotten cleaner, but we have a long way to go. Ever been to Preston county and seen a creek run orange from acid mine drainage? Not long ago there were virtually no fish in cheat lake. I realize that you don't often get the truth on Fox news but don't come on this board spewing "bs" and not expect to get called on it.
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You forced me to go back in time to my days on my grandparents farm near Maidsville. Hell....where else could you go sled riding down a slate dump in August, warm up beside a burning gob pile on a snowy February day,be able to dye your white t shirts a lovely orange for free in a nearby stream and oh how I miss swimming in all the water holes and climbing all those sheer walls left behind by those thoughtful strip miners.
 
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A1eer said:
The plight of WV coal jobs is not something that just recently turned sour under Obama or any other President. Before you give that much credit to any one person you might need to know that in 1940(before massive surface mining) coal employment in WV peaked at 130,000 by 1960 that number had dwindled to 50,000 coal miners employed in WV, by 1990 that number had dropped to approximately 30,000. When Bush left office in 2008 there were 20,000 miners working in WV. In 2012, after Obamas 1st term there were 22,000 miners working. Wonder what happened? I guess Bush hated WV and coal. Obviously, strip mines caused a massive loss of coal jobs and had nothing to do with environmental concerns. It is also a fact that coal sales in recent years have been undercut by natural gas(Marcellus shale) and other cheaper sources which feed the numerous power plants. Coal just cant compete with cheaper, cleaner forms of energy, nor should it, we cant keep cannibalizing our planet forever. Since Nixon created the EPA, our air and water has gotten cleaner, but we have a long way to go. Ever been to Preston county and seen a creek run orange from acid mine drainage? Not long ago there were virtually no fish in cheat lake. I realize that you don't often get the truth on Fox news but don't come on this board spewing "bs" and not expect to get called on it.
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And you will certainly be called. Bill Raney, "The State of Coal", quotes coal production is down 22% since 2008. EPA regs make it near impossible to get a permit to mine coal competitively. There remains demand for coal to produce energy and production of steel - in foreign markets. Most coal currently mined is for export. Nat gas has been unable to produce more cheaply than coal, but are they profitable operations? EPA has not overregulated gas industry - yet. A lot of hell is being raised about the potential to pollute water sources, so it is coming when DC gets involved. Coal is still the cheapest form of energy per million BTU. Rainey says, "bedrock of nation's economy, the lowest cost, most dependable form of energy". It is becoming harder to continue because the politicians are pulling for alternative forms of energy. DC is where the coal industry problems can be rectified.

Bill Raney is the President of West Virginia Coal Association. He frequently writes interesting pieces on the coal industry in every day English that all can read and appreciate.
 
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mneilmont

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In the last 100 yrs has the coal company murdered citizens of WV? Yes. Has it knowingly polluted or caused the death of citizens through disease/effects of mining? Yes. Has it killed people through negligence? Yes. Yet despite all that a big chunk of WV will line up with the coal companies against the EPA which is trying to save lives/health of the people here?

Here's a nice one where the coal companies suggested that the adverse health effects of mountain top removal where actually caused by inbreeding

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/2...s-to-study-mountaintop-removal-health-effects
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Ken Ward has got to be eliminated as a source in any discussion on coal. He has spent a lifetime preaching the evils of coal and the need for industries to replace coal. He damns coal with weekly editorials after he researches dubious sources. He has never spent one minute or word to suggest the alternate industry to replace coal.
 
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mneilmont said:
And you will certainly be called. Bill Raney, "The State of Coal", quotes coal production is down 22% since 2008. EPA regs make it near impossible to get a permit to mine coal competitively. There remains demand for coal to produce energy and production of steel - in foreign markets. Most coal currently mined is for export. Nat gas has been unable to produce more cheaply than coal, but are they profitable operations? EPA has not overregulated gas industry - yet. A lot of hell is being raised about the potential to pollute water sources, so it is coming when DC gets involved. Coal is still the cheapest form of energy per million BTU. Rainey says, "bedrock of nation's economy, the lowest cost, most dependable form of energy". It is becoming harder to continue because the politicians are pulling for alternative forms of energy. DC is where the coal industry problems can be rectified.

Bill Raney is the President of West Virginia Coal Association. He frequently writes interesting pieces on the coal industry in every day English that all can read and appreciate.
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If you honestly believe that the EPA is the sole approximate source for the decline of coal production in WV, you're living in LaLa land. Bill Rainey is paid $300K a year to advocate for the WV Coal Association. Although an extremely nice guy and a tremendous Mountaineer fan...... Bill has a natural conflict of interest when it comes to portraying the true facts re the decline of coal in WV.
 
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Wind farms in the Appalachians are a joke, an eye sore, a disturbance of natural habitat and a drain on taxpayer dollars from subsidies. As for solar, enjoy it with the 70 sunny days a year in the area...
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I was giving options... You have any or would you prefer to strip the land and leave it? You already disturbed the natural habitat by ripping off the top of mountains. Who do you think is going to pay to reclaim the land anyway? Once the coal companies go bankrupt the land will sit just like they leave it unless TAXPAYERS pick up the bill.
 
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Kazzman said:
If you honestly believe that the EPA is the sole approximate source for the decline of coal production in WV, you're living in LaLa land. Bill Rainey is paid $300K a year to advocate for the WV Coal Association. Although an extremely nice guy and a tremendous Mountaineer fan...... Bill has a natural conflict of interest when it comes to portraying the true facts re the decline of coal in WV.
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I possibly know a little more about the industry than you give credit. Prior to EPA, the shrinkage was mainly due to seam quality. There are few virgin blocks of coal left in the state.

The reduction in manpower has a couple main culprits. Mechanization was a cause that was enhance with MSHA. Safer equipment requirement caused operator to get newer and more productive equipment. Operator bitched, but the end result was better production with fewer men.

Then the union failing to control "wildcat strikes" required better production with less men. The loss of John L. Lewis caused the union to lose the only head that gave proper leadership - may get a little argument on this.

Has Bill Raney really been that appreciated??? I have doubts, but not enough recent knowledge to engage. But he has provided research that has been needed by the collective organization for years. 300???
 
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I was giving options... You have any or would you prefer to strip the land and leave it? You already disturbed the natural habitat by ripping off the top of mountains. Who do you think is going to pay to reclaim the land anyway? Once the coal companies go bankrupt the land will sit just like they leave it unless TAXPAYERS pick up the bill.
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Do you live in the coal region? I strongly doubt it. TAXPAYERS pick up the bill??? There should be a hell of an accumulation of reclamation funded balances paid by the operators for every ton of coal mined. And the operator has to secure an additional bond that pays for reclamation. Operator will return to near original contour, or designate an approved use for the uncovered land. Operator normally attempts to recover to original contour on his own to get a release from the bond.

As one who grew up in those hills, the only thing of use inside is the coal. No flatland is available for development and growth.
 
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mneilmont said:
Do you live in the coal region? I strongly doubt it. TAXPAYERS pick up the bill??? There should be a hell of an accumulation of reclamation funded balances paid by the operators for every ton of coal mined. And the operator has to secure an additional bond that pays for reclamation. Operator will return to near original contour, or designate an approved use for the uncovered land. Operator normally attempts to recover to original contour on his own to get a release from the bond.

As one who grew up in those hills, the only thing of use inside is the coal. No flatland is available for development and growth.
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One thing is for sure, tax payers are definitely picking up the bill for maintenance and shortcomings of windmills.
 
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DubVeeTexan said:
One thing is for sure, tax payers are definitely picking up the bill for maintenance and shortcomings of windmills.
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It would be interesting to look at the agreement between the government and the developer? Is there a bond(like coal industry) required to return the disturbed land to original contour for the site plus the access road to get to the wind mills?
 
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mneilmont said:
Do you live in the coal region? I strongly doubt it. TAXPAYERS pick up the bill??? There should be a hell of an accumulation of reclamation funded balances paid by the operators for every ton of coal mined. And the operator has to secure an additional bond that pays for reclamation. Operator will return to near original contour, or designate an approved use for the uncovered land. Operator normally attempts to recover to original contour on his own to get a release from the bond.

As one who grew up in those hills, the only thing of use inside is the coal. No flatland is available for development and growth.
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I think tourism is our ticket to success but the Ohio Valley offers excellent potential to manufacturing and shipping of goods to port. Looks to me that we could exploit these natural features.
 
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Media really doesn't even know us. We are lucky at times that they know there is a West Virginia. As far as Espn or Fox they are always going to want a Texas, Oklahoma, the traditional blue bloods over us because they draw more eyeballs to the TV. More eyeballs means more $$$


Funny how I say the media really doesn't even know us and 5 minutes after writing it I find thishttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/west-virginia-is-not-virginia_us_57ab8592e4b0db3be07cea2f
 
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