Why do we shoot so many 3's?

[fishwater99]

Early in the shot clock. 0-5 so far.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

1-7 now. But I hate it. It is lazy basketball. They need to work hard to get points, not just throw up bricks.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Have no clue, was about to start this same thread. Peters shoots the worst 3s, all off the dribble. They just settle is the only explanation, instead of driving and drawing fouls.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

I'm not sold on this team. I'm in wait and see mode. ASU doesn't look good, and they're dominating us on the boards.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

They’re killing us on the boards, perry is getting abused.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Lamar having two fouls is not good.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I'm not sold on this team. I'm in wait and see mode. ASU doesn't look good, and they're dominating us on the boards.

We would be a lot better if we didn’t shoot so many 3s. I mean enough is enough, why the 17 doesn’t Howland put a stop to it. It stopped being an anomaly after a full year of sucking at it.

 

[fishwater99]

1-11 now. By all means let's keep shooting 3's.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

I've seen enough. Another over-hyped MSU team.

 

[Seinfeld]

We are getting abused right now by a mediocre team. It’s still early in the season, but I feel like I’m constantly watching a bunch of good individual players on the court rather than a good team

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Considering the refs call a foul every drive if u get touched just drive

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Crappy MSU Mens Basketball Strength and Conditioning program.

 

[ezsoil]

Considering the refs call a foul every drive if u get touched just drive

Problem has always been whether it was Stan's or Howland the inability to beat a zone is their Achilles . You cant beat a zone by dribbling

 

[DreadNought.sixpack]

They are so undisciplined. Vic Schaefer would nip those shots in the bud.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Early in the shot clock. 0-5 so far.

Two words - Golden State.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

1-11 now. By all means let's keep shooting 3's.

You should switch over to MNF. You might actually enjoy it.

 

[MissStFan87]

This team is looking Charmin soft. This is getting embarrassing.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

1-7 now. But I hate it. It is lazy basketball. They need to work hard to get points, not just throw up bricks.

It’s not lazy basketball, its TODAY’S basketball.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Because we live and die by it.

 

[dog12]

Agree.

Today's offensive strategy in basketball: 4 or 5 players spot-up on the 3-point line and pass it around until somebody jacks it up.

The current 3-point line is way too close. In my opinion, the 3-point line should be moved back to 25 feet. And, don't bring the line closer in the corners.

 

[patdog]

This is what will keep this team from advancing far in the NCAA tournament. You can only go so far if you can't hit jump shots. That said, easily our best team in a decade and we should at least be in the NCAAT, so that's a step forward.

 

[ShrubDog]

This is what will keep this team from advancing far in the NCAA tournament. You can only go so far if you can't hit jump shots. That said, easily our best team in a decade and we should at least be in the NCAAT, so that's a step forward.

Gotta get there first

 

[mstateglfr]

Agree.

Today's offensive strategy in basketball: 4 or 5 players spot-up on the 3-point line and pass it around until somebody jacks it up.

The current 3-point line is way too close. In my opinion, the 3-point line should be moved back to 25 feet. And, don't bring the line closer in the corners.

A college court is 50' wide. So you support eliminating corner 3s?...the line would overlap the out of bounds line.

 

[fishwater99]

For the record I am okay shooting 3's but not so early on the shot clock. We have to try to work the ball inside by an entry passes or driving to the lane.
When we do that it will open up some easy looks form outside, too often we just seem to settle for the 3 pointer.

The 2nd half last night was encouraging, but we made too may dumb turnovers and questionable shot selections.
The talent is there on this team, I just don't know if Howland get the players to gel.

 

[patdog]

This is exactly what Andy Kennedy and Seth Greenberg said during the LBSU game. We settle for the 3-point shot far too quickly and easily.

 

[fishwater99]

This is exactly what Andy Kennedy and Seth Greenberg said during the LBSU game. We settle for the 3-point shot far too quickly and easily.

Great basketball minds think alike.

We shot 26.7% from 3, or 8 for 30. That is not going to cut it.

We were 17-39 inside the arch or 43.6 %.

With our horrible outside shooting it brought us down to 36.2% overall shooting.

This team has to shoot better from 3 or better yet, just don't shoot so many damn 3 pointers.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yep, and considering that we were 32% last year while not really adding any 3-pt shooters this year, it seems like shooting less would be the preferred option. For whatever reason, though, a lot of our players seem to think they can hit them and Howland clearly doesn’t mind

 

[mstateglfr]

Great basketball minds think alike.

We shot 26.7% from 3, or 8 for 30. That is not going to cut it.

We were 17-39 inside the arch or 43.6 %.

With our horrible outside shooting it brought us down to 36.2% overall shooting.

This team has to shoot better from 3 or better yet, just don't shoot so many damn 3 pointers.

8 got 30 from deep gets you 24 points.
If all those shots were taken inside the arc, to get the same number of points the team would have to make 12 shots, which translates to 40% shooting.
You mentioned they shot 43.6% inside the arc.

So all this complaining over outside shots and how they need to focus on shooting it inside the arc is over 3.6% difference in FG%. That is effectively 1 more basket, or 2 more points for them.



My points here-
- they arent great at shooting scoring inside the arc either.
- our outside shooting is statistically bad, but its effectively similar to/not much different than if all those shots were instead taken inside the arc.
- outside shooting is where the game has moved because even shooting 30% from deep is like shooting 50% from inside the arc on those 30 shots and any halfway competent D1 team should be able to shoot 30% from deep(over 250 teams did it last season, including us).

If we shoot even 30% from deep, we most likely win yesterday.




Ok- so there are a bunch of statistics for people to dissect and disagree with. But still- 30% from deep, which is quite reasonable to expect, is equal to 50% from inside the arc on the shots from deep we took last night, and we didnt even shoot 50% overall from inside the arc.
It was just bad shooting overall from everywhere last night- deep and short.

 

[fishwater99]

Yep, and considering that we were 32% last year while not really adding any 3-pt shooters this year, it seems like shooting less would be the preferred option. For whatever reason, though, a lot of our players seem to think they can hit them and Howland clearly doesn’t mind

That's what I don't understand...

 

[olblue.sixpack]

That's what I don't understand...

Among many other things.

 

[archdog]

For what ever reason we are not learning how to attack the rim and work on spacing out the court through motion.

 

[dog12]

A college court is 50' wide. So you support eliminating corner 3s?...the line would overlap the out of bounds line.

Essentially, yes, I would eliminate the corner 3. Or, if the court can be widened to make the 3 25 feet in the corners, then do that.

I'd like to move the 3-point shot far enough back to make it a less-likely option for offenses. Just my opinion.

 

[8dog]

But we started 1-13 and dug ourselves a hole we couldnt overcome. Also last years season long sample size had us at 55% from 2 and 32% from
3. At 55 shots a game thats about 8 points

 

[RocketDawg]

Essentially, yes, I would eliminate the corner 3. Or, if the court can be widened to make the 3 25 feet in the corners, then do that.

I'd like to move the 3-point shot far enough back to make it a less-likely option for offenses. Just my opinion.

Players would be falling off a cliff at Vanderbilt and killing themselves if it's changed.