Why didn't the bench play?l
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I'll take my chances
It's just damn frustrating. I've been playing sports for my entire life, and at a pretty high level at one point. There are SO many reasons to run bench guys... not just physical reasons like rest, but also psychological... sometimes it HELPS starters to be taken out a moment, to get a mental breather, to see their teammates in their place...
Did the starters look tired at the end? Is it true that the guards didn't hit a bucket in the last eight minutes? And that three point shooting doesn't speak of rested legs...
I agree with you. K just sees it different. Duval was inconsistent, Grayson looked irritated and only scored 5, 5 measly points. Our bigs weren't bad at all, but were ones at free throw line. O'Connell looked bad in his short time out there, and Javin was Javin.I'll take my chances
It's just damn frustrating. I've been playing sports for my entire life, and at a pretty high level at one point. There are SO many reasons to run bench guys... not just physical reasons like rest, but also psychological... sometimes it HELPS starters to be taken out a moment, to get a mental breather, to see their teammates in their place...
Did the starters look tired at the end? Is it true that the guards didn't hit a bucket in the last eight minutes? And that three point shooting doesn't speak of rested legs...
At the press conference the question was asked - the answer - AOC was sick and Javon's hamstring was tight,....no mention of anyone else.
If Javin plays more than 10 minutes he fouls out and doesn’t provide anything on the offensive side of the ball.
Alex O is inconsistent. Plays well against lesser competition but not against a more physical team like Virginia. He is just too frail right now. He needs to add at least10 to 15 of muscle to compete against teams like Virginia, Michigan State, UNC, etc.
Bolden is not 100 percent and always has some mysterious injury that holds him out for weeks at a time.
Goldwire hasn’t done anything to warrant extensive playing time.
K doesn’t have much of a bench to play this year.
Alex O is inconsistent. Plays well against lesser competition but not against a more physical team like Virginia. He is just too frail right now. He needs to add at least10 to 15 of muscle to compete against teams like Virginia, Michigan State, UNC, etc.
Bolden is not 100 percent and always has some mysterious injury that holds him out for weeks at a time.
Goldwire hasn’t done anything to warrant extensive playing time.
K doesn’t have much of a bench to play this year.
AOC isnt any different physique wise than the UVA guards -Coach K said it was flu that kept him out
Lack of bench production is due to coaching - we have 4/5 star players on the bench....surely they can contribute 5 mins at least - if not then why are they there? Practice dummies?
The bench gets no serious minutes during blowout, mop-up games; hence, they don't develop the skills that quality reserves need. Also, K has no confidence using them in tight, tough games.
AOC is a Freshman who will be good once he gains weight and muscle.
Javin isn’t that great. He doesn’t have great lateral quickness. He is a run and jump athlete. He can’t dribble or shot the ball and he has no post moves.
White, Goldwire, Robinson and Vrank were
all low 3 star recruits that were not recruited by any other power five conference teams. They were most likely recruited to be practice players or emergency players.
Bolden was a five star recruit but is always injured.
K is burning them out. The guards looked gassed; Trevon made a terrible long pass into a crowd that cost us a possession. Grayson falls into a hard foul and gets an elbow to the chops for his efforts.
Starter minutes: 40, 40, 40, 37, 37. Bench: 0 pts., 2 boards, 6 minutes.
Four of Dukes five starters are freshman and While Carter plays like a man and Bagley is unreal offensively, they are still young and tired legs are gonna happen. Hopefully Duval isn’t hitting a freshman wall but these five will need help down the road.
"Down the road" may be in a FF game, and the "help" may be that they have experience playing 37-40 minutes in intense games. We aren't going to be worrying about developing the bench during the NCAAT, are we?
Javin is fine for what he is asked to do, and after 25 DNP-CD last season, there should be no question he has developed.
Another thing about Bolden is that he has relatively little prior experience w/ basketball, compared to sons of former players who grew up immersed in it and played AAU since grade school. He has no family history or mentoring to guide him. He may have a 5-star body and be a 5-star student, but his understanding of the game and what it takes to succeed on this level is more like 3-star. A bunch of people here were pretty vicious last year in labeling him lazy; I think it's more that he was being asked to perform at an intensity he didn't even know existed. He's still learning.
We had tired legs the last 4 minutes of the game. It was extremely obvious we were burning out. Adrenaline can only do so much and doesn’t help during the lulls.
Tired legs!!! (Dumbest excuse in the history of excuses) NO college athlete at this level has "tired legs" from playing too much in a game.
The guys were just gassed after the incredible comeback. When you get down like we did and come back, its an awesome thing, especially w/the home crowd cheering you on. However, eventually it catches up with you stamina wise when 3 guys are playing 40 and other two 37. I thought this played out at ft line, some questionable decisions and 50-50 balls.
Whether we have the bench players or not it does make a difference. Virginia only played 8 players, but 7 notched double digit minutes and the 8th player logged 9 minutes. We were the more tired team at game's end, but still almost pulled it out.
I would simply say if we do have a shorter bench, we should play more zone. Perhaps that would help give fresher legs at game's end. I believe we played man up D entire 1st half.
OFC
Whether we have the bench players or not it does make a difference. Virginia only played 8 players, but 7 notched double digit minutes and the 8th player logged 9 minutes. We were the more tired team at game's end, but still almost pulled it out.
I would simply say if we do have a shorter bench, we should play more zone. Perhaps that would help give fresher legs at game's end. I believe we played man up D entire 1st half.
OFC
Why didn’t we go zone in the first. If you want to play the starting 5 the whole time you have to at some point. And why press ? Maybe I don’t understand. Where’s the adjustment? I know it’s flat out stupid to ? 5 titles with K but sometimes it’s mindblowing. Nobody’s perfect gotta eat it
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How with our size do we get murdered inside every game and our shots look soooo contested on the other end constantly lol how
Did I direct anything at you? Is it your agenda to sort and pick through every ones post that you feel the necessity to make everyone bow to your view?
I’m sorry my option isn’t that of yours how ever yes, down the road as in the final four next season and so on. As the turn over rate from year to year continues much like this year some help for the starters wouldn’t hurt.
And if you feel I’m wrong fine but as K said,” were just not that deep!”
And no I’m speaking of ND to be exact.
They play defense like they have tired brains. The guards on this team not named Gary Trent leaves the ball handler to guard wide open space. I know Coach K is not teaching his players to defend like this. He needs to start holding people accountable for bad play. They didn't lose this game to a superior team, but to a more disciplined team.
But if K holds them accountable then they wouldn’t be playing their 35-40 minutes to be prepared for tighter games down the road to play more together. Not to mention that would mean putting faith in a bench player when you pull a starter. Oh no what Coach ever did that? Oh wait K used to.(sarcasm)
It’s the same MO every year. How are kids suppose to get in rhythm and their roles. The starters will be gassed by tournament time. K used to play the bench years ago. Don’t know what changed him. Hope for the best, but will not set myself up for disappointment. Had more talent than Virginia. The guards both of them are killing us period!
I don't mind that the bench didn't play much. In our other big games they didn't play much. This is the first game we lost where it was almost understandable. But in other big games, the starters played majority of the game. There was a stat out that said we do better when we play 5 players at least 32 mpg. i'll have to find it
Calm down, Frances. When you post publicly on a public board, anyone else might respond. I responded to the content of your post, not at you.
No reason not play Jack White for a short period giving Trent time to rest.
Duke: The Blue Devils leaned heavily on their starters -- using zero substitutes in the second half and playing two reserves, Javin Delaurier and Alex O'Connell, for a total of six minutes all day. It's fair to wonder if they ran out of gas down the stretch. Bagley was the only Duke player to hit a field goal in the final 8 minutes.
Answer from K:
"If we want to win something really big, your best players have to play a lot of minutes," coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "And I think that's what the regular season's about, is preparing for -- hopefully, we're in it in March. So I think we learned a lot."
My Take:
Basketball is different today. The only break these kids have probably had the past 7 years is a week here and there. There have been numerous articles written that by the time many of today’s players get to the NBA they are already experiencing nagging injuries due to overplaying. AAU, Basketball season, all star tournaments, USA basketball etc etc etc etc.....Now they as freshman are thrust into college ball playing even more games at a higher level. Yes I absolutely do believe ball players today can be run into the ground. But as Datt would say, K is K and THIS is Duke. Accept it and stfu. Still having a wonderful season and this team can absolutely win it all. Let’s go Duke.
Answer from K:
"If we want to win something really big, your best players have to play a lot of minutes," coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "And I think that's what the regular season's about, is preparing for -- hopefully, we're in it in March. So I think we learned a lot."
My Take:
Basketball is different today. The only break these kids have probably had the past 7 years is a week here and there. There have been numerous articles written that by the time many of today’s players get to the NBA they are already experiencing nagging injuries due to overplaying. AAU, Basketball season, all star tournaments, USA basketball etc etc etc etc.....Now they as freshman are thrust into college ball playing even more games at a higher level. Yes I absolutely do believe ball players today can be run into the ground. But as Datt would say, K is K and THIS is Duke. Accept it and stfu. Still having a wonderful season and this team can absolutely win it all. Let’s go Duke.
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Most of the starters logging all these minutes will only be with us this year so wear and tear is not an issue for their future. I hope Grayson gets drafted but he has really hurt his stock this year.
No many are talking about wearing them down THIS year and that they may not have enough in the tank for a March run. There really aren’t that many gimme games in the ACC. Can what happened yesterday happen the rest of the season, then ACC tourney then March? I don’t THINK so but I could be wrong and I’m just going to enjoy the ride and hope I am wrong.
I agree that I wish he would the bench more Jack, Antonio, Goldwire. The two that came in yesterday off the bench were totally lost. AOC couldn't guard anyone in man. We stayed with that defense too long first half.
No, not one. Not one college athlete was ever physically tired from playing in a game. Not one. Ever.
Most hyperbolic statement ever.
If you cannot observe with your own eyes that basketball athletes "tire" late in games and produce less effective results, l don't know what to tell ya.
AOC let his man get free for a back door layup on maybe first time down the court.
There were several breakdowns on defense. Trent rushed out at the shooter on the wing and he drove in for a basket. Worst defensive play might have been midway in the second half it appeared Duval was playing man while Allen and the rest of the team were playing zone leaving Duval’s area wide open for a basket.
It seemed to me Duke was allowing too many easy passes into the middle of the zone.
Not sure if a 1/3/1 would be a better fit for this team but watching Syracuse’s zone is a lot different than watching the Blue Devil zone.
There were several breakdowns on defense. Trent rushed out at the shooter on the wing and he drove in for a basket. Worst defensive play might have been midway in the second half it appeared Duval was playing man while Allen and the rest of the team were playing zone leaving Duval’s area wide open for a basket.
It seemed to me Duke was allowing too many easy passes into the middle of the zone.
Not sure if a 1/3/1 would be a better fit for this team but watching Syracuse’s zone is a lot different than watching the Blue Devil zone.
Getting gassed and fatigue really only happens when the game is so much in transition and when you're defending for most of the shot clock.
In this game
- 16 turn overs
- a lot of missed shots
- missed free throws
put the game in transition
- UVA in the half court was deliberate and Duke chased runners
In this game
- 16 turn overs
- a lot of missed shots
- missed free throws
put the game in transition
- UVA in the half court was deliberate and Duke chased runners
No Dat, I don’t see you responding to any other posters post in reference to the bench so sorry it ain’t working.
If you believe a superior athlete that has been through the system since at least August, and played basketball since they were 4 is tired you are delusional
Cite some, please.
I've been suspended for using the abbreviation for curse words before, so I don't even type that traditional cheer we direct at UNC anymore, let alone anything like the one you used at the end here. You call me out then lie about what I actually say? Aw, heck nah. That won't fly.
No, what I'd tell you is to say something new or get over it. Whining about why Marty Pocius or Michael Gbinije or Chase Jeter or Jack White doesn't play more is the same thing with new names, year after year after year. And the answer is the exact same thing every year, yet some of you keep asking the exact same question, then getting huffy when the same answer is repeated back at you more loudly and less patiently than the year before. Get that answer through your thick skull or change your approach.
Case in point: You say there are all these articles talking about cumulative exhaustion and injuries these kids have by the time they get to the NBA. That's news to me. Okay, I'm listening. Cite some, pretty, pretty please.