Florida elected an idiot as well. Thank God that 5,000 more than half of us in the entire state of Kentucky had enough functioning brains cells to recognize (after 4 long years) that Matt Bevin was a yankee-carpet bagging, pedophile loving, murderer freeing, money grubbing bag of dog feces.....or many more lives would be lost in this state by now.
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Florida elected an idiot as well. Thank God that 5,000 more than half of us in the entire state of Kentucky had enough functioning brains cells to recognize (after 4 long years) that Matt Bevin was a yankee-carpet bagging, pedophile loving, murderer freeing, money grubbing bag of dog feces.....or many more lives would be lost in this state by now.
im not pushing off anything, I posted articles with the Italian National institute for Healths sentiment, not just one dr.
You stated the US Govt sent medical aid to China, I showed you it was from private donors, that wasn’t good enough. Even if it were from the govt at that time we weren’t in bad shape and it would’ve been a gesture of good will.
I presented the official document where travel of Chinese nationals was banned.
The article never stated that she had Covid. She had a heart attack.
All I’m stating is the numbers don’t add up, yet you get all defensive and act like it’s nonsense. That’s fine, but you get in a tizzy as if it offends you. If you don’t like what I wrote, block me, I really don’t care.
How is what Beshear doing any different than Florida? People are out and about everywhere.
Every level has been a buffoon in this whole process.
Not sure why or what we are defending.
The stupidity has been on both side...
Not sure why we need to even debate this point.
Not sure why or what we are defending.
The stupidity has been on both side...
Not sure why we need to even debate this point.
I heard they're renaming it the CHO. Also, Im guessing the OP feels pretty moronic at this point unless of course NBA players are considered unhealthy as well as many other professional athletes, and the million people sick at this point. It's all fun and games for some until someone you care about gets sick or worse.
He's actually been pretty good but he made a mistake here. I think he was trying to find an excuse for the delay and chose one poorly. Our other choice for gov. was Stacey Abrams - umm, no way.
You posted an article that contradicted everything you were saying and believe they are telling you something they simply aren't. You are literally generating a conspiracy out of something that doesn't even exist, except in your mind. Other articles have been posted that discredited other claims you have made, so you chose to ignore them.
You even admitted the US sent aid to China. Hell, I even posted a tweet from Mike Pompeo admitting we sent aid to china in February, which you initially tried to claim was much earlier. By February, we already had multiple confirmed cases in the US and had ample reports and experts stating how bad it could get. We had already declared a National Emergency, had already restricted (not banned as you claimed) travel to China and were already aware of the fact China had misled, denied entry and cooperation to investigators, and only 3 days after the CDC publicly stated we were incredibly short and in dire need of supplies. So why not show an act of goodwill to the American people instead of Chinese who lied and would not cooperate with us?
What document did you give that showed document was banned? I think if you read it, you will see travel was just restricted in some instances. Slow down and read it again.
What numbers do you think are supposed to add up? Why do you think every country is going to have an even ratio of cases and deaths? Where are you getting this notion? You do understand that different countries are taking much different approaches and have many other factors than can impact the case and death rate, correct?
I dont really care to get in the arguement but I do however know the US government gave aid to China. I can also tell you there are still cargo flights happening between the 2 countries. China probably at this point regrets threatening to keep medicine from the US as well considering they are now locking down cities again.
You stated it was aid from the US govt, it was not. It was individual people, organizations and companies. The US govt just set up the transition, that is not what you were implying. That is moving the goalposts.
The US had not declared a national emergency by then, you’re confusing that with a health emergency, they are not the same thing. The national emergency was declared the same day as world pandemic was announced in March.
The document from the White House showed that all travel was restricted EXCEPT for in a few instances, big difference.
I know exactly what the articles I posted stated, again, you’re confusing PLAUSIBLE with PROBABLE. It’s PLAUSIBLE that one of us could hook up with Blake Lively, it isn’t PROBABLE.
The US govt did supply AID, I never said they supplied it all. I said they sent aid, which they did. The AID was also given to the US govt. They handle full control over how and where it was used. They should have used it in the US, as they were advised by experts. They ignorantly and unjustifiably handed 17.5 tons to China, only to be out now. How is that moving the goalpost? Please explain...
However, you did state that the aid was sent much earlier than February a few times, which was then proven by Mike Pompeo's own tweet to be untrue. Then you moved on to focusing on where the aid was acquired without any real evidence to support it, even while still admitting that nonetheless the government did facilitate the transactions and transportation of goods. Seems to me like that is quite the moving of goal posts to me.
Can you please source something credible that states none of the aid was from the US govt? For someone will all these claims, you can't seem to source any information that confirms this. It seems really odd and suspect.
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its a calamity we are in, those most responsible that failed to handle it properly will attempt all sorts of misdirections. but lets never forget those told us: "its just the flu"
You specifically stated a date Yeti, and the 17.8 tons that were sent. The article you posted stated it was donations from companies, organizations and individuals.
What experts were advising them to confiscate donations at that time? The Govt can’t just take donated items that were designated for a nation unless we’re in a situation like now. Which weren’t anywhere close at the time.
HAHAHAHA, you mean like after a national emergency had been declared almost a week earlier? [roll]LMAO, yea, the president can decide what to do with said aid, particularly at that point. And he can definitely decide not to use US military planes to send the aid to a foreign country. Particularly one you who was not being forthcoming or cooperative. That literally has to be one of the dum,best things I have ever read.
Many experts, including the CDC, were advising against dispersing medical supplies to other countries, as well calling for the president to issue orders to have manufacturing companies either start producing or ramp of production of medical supplies here in the US. Which I believe he finally did in the last few days, now that we are out of course.
I am starting to think you are just trolling here. If you are honestly being serious, then you must be oblivious to everything going on around you and aren't playing with a full deck.
A CDC health emergency is not the same as a declared National emergency. A CDC health emergency had been declared in late January. The National Emergency was not declared until Mid March, 2 different actions.
Hindsight is 20/20, I have no doubt if they could do it over the medical supplies would not have been sent, by anyone involved.
This is no time for foolishness. Be safe. I hope everyone and their families get through this ok.
These clips will serve as reminders of the complete ineptitude of this administration for generations to come.
idk your idol Pelosi was in Chinatown a couple of months ago telling people to come down and everything was fine.
One governor encouraged social distancing and shut down all but essential services.
The other refused to shut down the beaches in his state, encouraging tourism and people to gather in large numbers which helped spread the virus throughout the entire U.S.
99% of that clip was talking heads, not the administration. What Trump said is correct, it does have similarities to the flu and one day it will just disappear. Which part was inept from the administration?
https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/Pages/phedeclaration.aspx
As cited above, a Public health emergency, which was declared in January, allows for the government to decide what to do with funds and medical supplies for a period of 90 days, but which can be extended.
It's not really hindsight when it has already been pointed out we are still doing it! Jesus Christ man, you are just delusional, but at least you are starting to acknowledge a big mistake was made. Maybe you will slowly start to see and accept all the others.
The problem is, it's not really like the flu. It is far more like super serious version of pneumonia. The early symptoms can sometime look like the flu, but it impacts the body in much different ways. It likely won't ever just disappear either. That really isn't how viruses work. Over time, as more and more get it, we will build up antibodies that help combat it. So, hopefully far less people will be impacted in the seasons to come. The idea is that after treatments are created and approved, it eventually becomes so small in scale that it doesn't really register that common in cases or fatalities. Much like the flu.
In reality, you really do want as many people as possible to get this as to build up immunity to it, but you need that occur over a controlled period.
Giving people across America the impression that this virus was nothing to worry about, that they would be sitting together in church by Easter, that this was all another hoax, it would all be over soon, everyone that wants a test can have a test, zero responsibility for anything going poorly, creating a bidding war between all fifty states over med supplies, and my favorite....firing the Pandemic Response Team two years ago.
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It's not meant to call you out or insult you, but it can be negligent to compare this to the flu. Really in any way. When some people see that, they don't always understand the context you are speaking in and equate the severity to that of influenza, when this is showing to me far different and more serious virus.
You can't be taken seriously unless you show the same outrage over the thousands dying from H1N1 when Obama waited six months to declare it a National Emergeny. I'll await your outrage.
Yesterday, he had the Navy Commander fired that sounded the alarm to the military community about the severity and asking for protection for his crew. And everything he predicted is coming true.
People should not be playing politics at this point. This virus needs both sides working equally together to beat this pandemic
I bet he's enraged with all the praise Andy is getting. Andy's approval is through the roof in KY right now.
those 18k deaths were for an entire year for the globe. in 4 weeks we have almost 7k coronavirus deaths just in the US. and we are just getting started.
the problem here isnt that you are stupid. is that you are too stupid to realize just how stupid you are.
Ohhhh wow, those 18K deaths took a year, so those deaths are less important and NONE of them could be prevented by Obama YET Trump is all to blame for what's going on now. You're embarrassing yourself with your despicable hypocrisy everytime you open your mouth. I get a giggle out of people like you that think they are smarter than everyone but in reality are dumber than most. My last comment as this is not a political thread and you aren't worth a sane person's time.
Leadership starts at the top. If the president would set a good example, people might follow the lead and get in line. Instead we hear about his TV ratings, facebook and twitter follower counts, how governors need to be nice if they expect his help and so on. He attacks people he doesn't like and has literally made fun of political opponents who have been diagnosed or awaiting rest results to see of they do have it. None of that behavior is going to demonstrate to the general public that it is time to come together.
First, the swine flu did not kill 17,000 people. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that H1N1 killed about 12,500 Americans between April 2009 and 2010, far fewer people than typically die each year from the flu. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths. In fact, the death toll ended up being far lower than was initially expected because of the actions of the Obama administration. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.
Second, the president’s characterization of the government’s response does not match reality. If anything, the response to H1N1 was swift in comparison to the current administration’s handling of the coronavirus.
Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.
Before the end of April, the government had declared a public health emergency and started releasing medical supplies and drugs from the CDC’s Strategic National Stockpile. “The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on April 28, 2009, less than two weeks after identification of the new pandemic virus,” the CDC notes on its website.
The test developed by the CDC was created quickly. It was accurate. And it was shared with governments around the world. The capacity of CDC at that point to make and develop and quickly turn out a test was vastly different than what is occurring with the coronavirus.
In an interview, Dr. Tom Frieden, who was CDC director, said testing for H1N1 and the United States’ willingness to share its test with other countries was a success. “I traveled all over the world and for years afterward even very hostile governments were saying thank you for sending it to us.”
Coronavirus testing, on the other hand, remains mired in delays. Though the first person in the United States was confirmed to have the virus on Jan. 20, a series of problems have kept testing out of reach for many patients with telltale symptoms of the virus. The CDC designed a flawed test for COVID-19, then it took weeks to figure out a fix so state and local labs could use it, ProPublica found. Trump said on March 6 that “anybody who wants a test gets a test,” but many doctors, patients and public health leaders say that is not the case.
On Wednesday, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, said: “Testing is limited. It will, in all likelihood, remain limited.”
Almost from the day the H1N1 strain of flu was identified, researchers set out to develop a vaccine for it. Six days after the first case was identified in April 2009, the CDC began working to develop a candidate vaccine virus. Clinical trials began in July. And on Sept. 15, the Food and Drug Administration approved four 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines. The first doses of the vaccine were available in October, and by December, 100 million doses were available to be ordered.
Once it was manufactured, the vaccine was distributed widely. CDC arranged for 126.9 million doses of the vaccine to be shipped to tens of thousands of medical providers. All told, about 81 million U.S. residents were vaccinated, and the strain is now a regular part of annual flu shots.
There is no vaccine yet for the coronavirus. The disease is novel and appears to behave differently than the flu, so it will likely take longer to develop a vaccine. The first patients in a clinical trial of a vaccine were given shots this week. But Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, cautioned that the process may take a year or more.
“We’re close to starting a phase 1 trial to determine safety,” Fauci said recently on CNN. “We’re going to do that in about one and a half to two months. But that doesn’t mean you have a vaccine. In order to get a vaccine that’s practically deployable for people to use, it’s going to be at least a year to a year and a half at best.”
If Trump wants to learn from H1N1, he could start readying manufacturing capabilities right now, so once the coronavirus vaccine is proven to be safe and effective, there won’t be any delay.
One of the key lessons from H1N1 was the need for clear and honest communication, something they both faulted in the current coronavirus response. Obama’s administration reacted with alarm as cases of H1N1 were initially reported. Trump, by comparison, repeatedly reassured the public that everything was under control.
“From Day 1, [Obama] said: ‘We will be led by the facts. We need to tell people what we know and what we don’t know,’” Sebelius said. She said she and her team held twice-a-day press conferences to do that.
At one point, in June 2009, Obama invited experts who helped respond to the 1976 swine flu outbreak to a private meeting at the White House. He wanted to know “what went right and what went wrong. What do we need to learn, how do we need to do this,” Sebelius said.n“I haven’t seen any of that go on with this,” she added, referring to the coronavirus.
Asked to rate his response to the crisis on a scale of 1 to 10, Trump said on March 16: “I’d rate it a 10. I think we’ve done a great job. ... We were very, very, early with respect to China. And we would have a whole different situation in this country if we didn’t do that.”
Frieden said he’s been troubled by the fact that CDC officials haven’t played a more visible role in the crisis response. Instead of briefings led by CDC leaders, Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and others brief the media each day. “The biggest concern that I see now is the lack of CDC at the table when decisions are being made and at the podium when they’re being communicated,” Frieden said. “That is a really big mistake. That has not happened before.” “This is not the way to run a railroad. It might get better. We’ll see. I hope so. We all want them to succeed.”
The doctors and scientists can't make a vaccine but some group of parents will?
Sound preposterous. Are there other examples of home made vaccines for a virus? I'm not aware of a single such example ever.
If the professionals can't do it then folks who cannot process the concepts of asymptomatic infection and exponential growth while they struggle mightily (or utterly) to help their kids with biology, chemistry, physics, and math homework are going to be straight SOL.
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