Why are players allowed to transfer?

[drail14me]

I've seen several posts about players transferring from Ole Miss to play right away. Why would the NCAA allow this? Ole Miss offered illegal benefits but it was players that accepted them. Shouldn't the players be punished too? Shouldn't they have to serve out the sentence in that hell hole on a sucky team? Why should players like AJ be able to be "shopped around"?

 

[aTotal360]

I agree to an extent. Problem is there are kids that might not have been involved that get stranded in a bad situation because of others.

 

[Drebin]

So, if you took a job under false pretenses, and accepted signing bonuses or other perks as part of the agreement, but then a year later you found out that the company was a sham, or involved in illegal activity, how would you feel?

 

[drail14me]

I understand that some of the players may not have been given benefits but some were and some were named in the investigation. Do those that were named get punished or do they get to walk away?

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Because the NCAA recognizes that these are 17 and 18 year old kids that don't have the maturity to look at things the same way adults do. They're very impressionable and, be honest, when you were that age and somebody said come work for me and here is all this money, beautiful women that will do anything you want, and as long as you don't act too out of line, we'll cover it up. Then compare that to another school saying come in and work your butt off for a chance to play and don't even think about asking for money, cars, or women. For most, that would not be a hard choice.

The NCAA is not out to ruin kids' lives. They realize that for a lot of them, an athletic scholarship is the only they attend college. If they deem them permanently ineligible to play, then their lives are pretty much ruined. They are more concerned punishing the adults that are taking advantage of their situation for their own gain and benefit and giving the kids a second chance.

 

[drail14me]

That's BS. A 17 and 18 year old know's what right and wrong. Many of these kids, and their parents, go into this looking to get paid. If they know they'll get paid and not get in trouble then they'll keep doing it. Let some of them have to suffer for their actions and maybe it would curb the cheating. Look at AJ, if he ends up being named in the investigation, should he be allowed to be shopped around to another school and get paid again?

 

[thekimmer]

The NCAA rules players ineligible all the time....

I've seen several posts about players transferring from Ole Miss to play right away. Why would the NCAA allow this? Ole Miss offered illegal benefits but it was players that accepted them. Shouldn't the players be punished too? Shouldn't they have to serve out the sentence in that hell hole on a sucky team? Why should players like AJ be able to be "shopped around"?

Maurice Clarett for one. Renardo Sidney had to forfeit a year of eligibility for impermissible benefits as did Will Redmond for taking a $100 handshake. The thing is just because you are on the roster of a program sanctioned for paying players does not automatically make you guilty of accepting such. That's like a company getting caught paying kickbacks and throwing everybody on the payroll in prison just because they worked there.

By this time most of those who got paid are probably gone already and beyond the reach of the NCAA. But for those that are still there, just because a player transfers to another program does not make him immune from sanction for what happened at UM. Thus, programs who accept one of these players must consider the risk. My guess though is the NCAA will treat this like a drug bust. Narcotics agents aren't really interested in arresting and prosecuting users (players). They are after the source (the plantation). The NCAA got the trophy they really wanted and are not likely too interested in the scrubs.

 

[AFDawg]

The NCAA can make students who are guilty ineligible—so they system makes room for punishing specific athletes while allowing others to leave a bad situation.

Plus, the transfers only serve to make the punishment worse for the institution.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

If the NCAA had any proof any player did something wrong the player in question would not be playing. You can't punish any of them on just hearsay.f

 

[HumpDawgy]

If you are 17 to 18 and come from either modest means or poverty and someone offers you money, you are probably going to take it. Its hard to expect these young men to follow the rules when in some cases they are trying to keep the lights on and a roof over their heads. It is our boosters and admins job to follow the NCAA rules.

 

[paindonthurt_]

It’s the players job too.

Coming from modest means doesn’t bend the rules for you.

 

[WilCoDawg]

In this instance, I think it’s great. Make that place suffer without the talent they cheated to get. Sometimes thieves have to pay reparations for stolen items they don’t get to keep.

 

[mstateglfr]

That's BS. A 17 and 18 year old know's what right and wrong. Many of these kids, and their parents, go into this looking to get paid. If they know they'll get paid and not get in trouble then they'll keep doing it. Let some of them have to suffer for their actions and maybe it would curb the cheating. Look at AJ, if he ends up being named in the investigation, should he be allowed to be shopped around to another school and get paid again?

Yes 17 and 18 year olds know the different between right and wrong. They also typically have undeveloped impulse control and often times have not developed the ability to appreciate the potential consequences of one’s actions due to a lack of experience and perspective.


If players took money, they should have to pay it back first, then have the option to stay or transfer.

If players didn’t take money, they should be able to transfer since they will effectively lose out on the opportunity to compete in a bowl game for at least half their college career, and possibly never again(ex- if they are a JR right now and the ban is 2 years).

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

That's BS. A 17 and 18 year old know's what right and wrong. Many of these kids, and their parents, go into this looking to get paid. If they know they'll get paid and not get in trouble then they'll keep doing it. Let some of them have to suffer for their actions and maybe it would curb the cheating. Look at AJ, if he ends up being named in the investigation, should he be allowed to be shopped around to another school and get paid again?

That is true, but it may not always be easy to tell which is which so the NCAA is always going to err on the side of punishing the adult and giving the teenager a second chance. What they do with that chance and how they handle it is up to them and and potential second school.

 

[thekimmer]

Very good point. Criminals should have to forfeit their ill gotten gains.

 

[SpeckTaker]

That is true, but it may not always be easy to tell which is which so the NCAA is always going to err on the side of punishing the adult and giving the teenager a second chance. What they do with that chance and how they handle it is up to them and and potential second school.

Will Redmond does not approve this post.

 

[engie]

In every NCAA case on record that I can find, the only players allowed open transfer are the ones that have no opportunity to reach a bowl game in the remainder of their eligibility at the school. So, in the case of a 2 yr ban, only the rising seniors will be let out in OM's case.

It'll take a special stipulation that I've never seen used -- or a 3 year ban -- for the c/o 2016 they are on record of having lied to to be able to walk with immediate eligibility. I don't look for this to happen, and I look for Mars to have to file suit against the NCAA on it....

 

[bulldogbaja]

Simple, they signed a contract under false pretenses.
Their scholarship/letter of intent is an agreement between the two parties. The students were misled, both individually and publicly through a misinformation campaign. Therefore the agreement is voided and student-athletes are free to go where they choose.

 

[BELdog]

So, 17 and 18 year olds should not be allowed to serve in our military because they lack impulse control? News to me. Everyone of these players knew what they were doing. All of their parents knew what they were doing. This all comes back to personal responsibility. These "kids" aren't victims. They are active participants and should be forced to ride out the punishment with the school they signed with in order to help them learn that actions have consequences.

 

[drail14me]

It's not false pretense if you are a party to it. If you take cash, you're just as guilty. No false pretense to it.

 

[bulldogbaja]

The majority of their 85 scholarship players probably did not take cash, especially in the most recent class (when the NCAA was living in Oxford.) They're not all AJ Browns. They have 2* players too.

 

[BELdog]

So, 17 and 18 year olds should not be allowed to serve in our military because they lack impulse control? News to me. Everyone of these players knew what they were doing. All of their parents knew what they were doing. This all comes back to personal responsibility. These "kids" aren't victims. They are active participants and should be forced to ride out the punishment with the school they signed with in order to help them learn that actions have consequences.

 

[drail14me]

The majority of their 85 scholarship players probably did not take cash, especially in the most recent class (when the NCAA was living in Oxford.) They're not all AJ Browns. They have 2* players too.

I understand that and am cool with that. It's the AJ's that I think need to get hammered. To hear rumor of him already being shopped around to another school in just total BS. He needs to be hammered too if ever caught.

 

[FQDawg]

Have there been any official allegations that Brown took money by the NCAA? If it hasn't surfaced, officially, by now, the NCAA isn't going to just throw out a punishment out of nowhere.

 

[engie]

It's not false pretense if you are a party to it. If you take cash, you're just as guilty. No false pretense to it.

The NCAA didn't prove that any of those 2016 players took cash as far as I know....

 

[HumpDawgy]

I'm not saying there should be no consequences for a 17 or 18 year old that accepts money, just that most of them will put their family's well being before rules in that situation. Rules are rules and if they are broken, there must be consequences.