Whose side is God on?

Orlaco

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If you listen to the esteemed Congresswoman from California Miss Maxine Waters, he is pro-abortion and pro-gay Marriage because he is on the side of the Left and of course we all know most folks on the Left are indeed pro-abortion and pro-gay Marriage, correct?

Funny, I thought most Leftsits hated Christians because they are pro-Life and anti gay Marriage based on instructions found from Almighty God in the Bible are they not?

So my question: is Maxine Waters stupid or a liar? Or maybe just maybe she is both?

NEWSFLASH: God, if he/she/it exist, doesn’t give two-***** either way.
 

mule_eer

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When you figure out how to form a Baby in the womb, maybe then you will be totally justified killing one in the womb for your amusement.
When you figure out how to create a steer in a field, maybe then you will be totally justified killing one to cut into steaks.
 

atlkvb

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When you figure out how to create a steer in a field, maybe then you will be totally justified killing one to cut into steaks.

We raise them for that purpose mule my Man. Last I checked we weren't serving human newborns unless we were invited to dine with Jeffrey Dahmer.
 

atlkvb

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NEWSFLASH: God, if he/she/it exist, doesn’t give two-***** either way.

If he doesn't exist you have nothing to worry about, if he does exist I'd check with him first before dismissing him or deciding who's side he's on.
 

mule_eer

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We raise them for that purpose mule my Man. Last I checked we weren't serving human newborns unless we were invited to dine with Jeffrey Dahmer.
My point was that your logic is flawed. I simply used that logic in a different example.
 

Orlaco

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If he doesn't exist you have nothing to worry about, if he does exist I'd check with him first before dismissing him or deciding who's side he's on.

Maybe the devil is really in charge. If not then you have nothing to worry about...but if so it wouldn’t hurt to start worshipping him....don’t be so dismissive.
 

atlkvb

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My point was that your logic is flawed. I simply used that logic in a different example.

It is not logical to me kill innocent Babies in the womb. What for? They didn't ask to be born. Who are we to decide they don't have to be? Not getting into another abortion scrum...just count me out of the infanticide business.
 

atlkvb

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Maybe the devil is really in charge. If not then you have nothing to worry about...but if so it wouldn’t hurt to start worshipping him....don’t be so dismissive.

If you find merit in anything the Devil represents knock yourself out. I'll pass on the Satan worship based on what I've seen of his examples.
 

Orlaco

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If you find merit in anything the Devil represents knock yourself out. I'll pass on the Satan worship based on what I've seen of his examples.

Maybe Satan is a good guy and your god decided to have a deceitful book written to gain your worship. Remember...you attempted to fear monger me into believing in your god so what I’m saying is just as valid.
 

mule_eer

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It is not logical to me kill innocent Babies in the womb. What for? They didn't ask to be born. Who are we to decide they don't have to be? Not getting into another abortion scrum...just count me out of the infanticide business.
I'm pretty sure you are missing the point on purpose. You wanted someone to be able to create a fetus in the womb before he could be in favor of abortion. My point was to apply that same logic to something entirely different, beef.

I'll put on my Op2 hat for this part. Technically, we can create zygotes in a test tube. Also, people are working on creating steaks in a lab.
 

atlkvb

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I'm pretty sure you are missing the point on purpose. You wanted someone to be able to create a fetus in the womb before he could be in favor of abortion. My point was to apply that same logic to something entirely different, beef.

I'll put on my Op2 hat for this part. Technically, we can create zygotes in a test tube. Also, people are working on creating steaks in a lab.

I respect you too much to engage in the fallacy of your analogy here but I also respect your intellect enough not to insult you with your self presented fallacious argument.

I'm not into killing little babies. We don't control that part of human Life and I'm not going to justify our attempts to "play God".

How about those Mountaineers? Looking good for a Big 12 Championship huh?
 

atlkvb

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Maybe Satan is a good guy and your god decided to have a deceitful book written to gain your worship. Remember...you attempted to fear monger me into believing in your god so what I’m saying is just as valid.

I encourage you to believe whatever you want to it doesn't change what the Truth ultimately is.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Serious answer to your question in this link
http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_CapitalPunishment.htm

My own personal view is that since Almighty God is perfect Justice and forbids the taking of innocent Human Life...according to the way he corrects Evil with its own Evil we can assume he will punish murder with murder..but since he is Spirit, we are talking permanent Spiritual Death.

There is one caveat, since we all have the chance to be forgiven for confessing our Sins and believing on Christ, Almighty God will NOT hold even murderers accountable if they repent from their Sin. Remember, Almighty God is 1st Holy and then Just, but he is also Merciful, and he forgives ALL Sins...even murder! But one MUST repent, and ask for forgiveness believing on Christ that all Sins are forgiven never to be remembered.

So while the Bible does not specifically call for Capital punishment after Christ, Almighty God is just, and does forbid murder. He will correct murder as he once did in the Old Testament before Christ's work at Calvary, and he requires Justice so his ultimate punishment for murder without repentance is Spiritual Death. Our physical Laws in some cases also call for physical death in certain instances of Murder, and that is consistent with how Almighty God deals with Evil. And eye for an eye.

Matthew 5: 3-8
"You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.'

Christ further admonishes us in that passage not to retaliate, but to be slow to anger, and let Almighty God be the ultimate Judge of ultimate Justice. However as I said, crime does NOT go unpunished, and in some cases perfect Justice for murder involves removing that Life to correct the injustice in this World which Almighty God both ordains and commands.

Zechariah 7:9
Then the word of the LORD came to Zechariah, saying, 9“This is what the LORD of Hosts says:Administer TRUE justice. Show loving devotion and compassion to one another. 10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. And do not plot evil in your hearts against one another.’…

Hope that answers...read the link...lots more in there.

Suggest that you read Matthew 5: 3-8. Acctually read all of the. Beattitudes. I'm not preaching, just saying.
 

atlkvb

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Suggest that you read Matthew 5: 3-8. Acctually read all of the. Beattitudes. I'm not preaching, just saying.

It's a lot tougher question when you consider we are not to Judge or murder in revenge. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

However are we not to defend ourselves against evil? Do we not fight against Injustice? Would it be held against us to kill in order to preserve Freedom?

This is a case where I think you need to use scripture to interpret scripture because you are correct there is nothing in there that specifically calls for capital punishment.

However when you understand that almighty God is both just and requires Justice it's easy to see how correcting for murder would not only be permitted by him but required.

The bottom line is our commandment is not to kill. To me that means both not taking innocent life and also to protect innocent life whenever it is necessary to do so. But we cannot be about the business of deciding who lives and who dies. That ultimately is left up to almighty God and our responsibility is to protect the life that he has blessed us with.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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It's a lot tougher question when you consider we are not to Judge or murder in revenge. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

However are we not to defend ourselves against evil? Do we not fight against Injustice? Would it be held against us to kill in order to preserve Freedom?

This is a case where I think you need to use scripture to interpret scripture because you are correct there is nothing in there that specifically calls for capital punishment.

However when you understand that almighty God is both just and requires Justice it's easy to see how correcting for murder would not only be permitted by him but required.

The bottom line is our commandment is not to kill. To me that means both not taking innocent life and also to protect innocent life whenever it is necessary to do so. But we cannot be about the business of deciding who lives and who dies. That ultimately is left up to almighty God and our responsibility is to protect the life that he has blessed us with.

Agree to certain extent. Protection of a life, loved ones, or property could/should be considered a necessity. WWI, WWII, and maybe Korea were necessary to protect and preserve large amounts of population and their homelands. Viet Nam, imo is a large taint on our country, spanning over 2+decades -- fought for what? Then comes the 2nd Iraq war--they have weapons of mass destruction--not. I give a pass to Derert Storm/Desert Shield as we were asked to help a defenseless Kuwait who did not have the ability to defend itself. The fact that they had major oil production probably played into that conflict also.
 

atlkvb

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Agree to certain extent. Protection of a life, loved ones, or property could/should be considered a necessity. WWI, WWII, and maybe Korea were necessary to protect and preserve large amounts of population and their homelands. Viet Nam, imo is a large taint on our country, spanning over 2+decades -- fought for what? Then comes the 2nd Iraq war--they have weapons of mass destruction--not. I give a pass to Derert Storm/Desert Shield as we were asked to help a defenseless Kuwait who did not have the ability to defend itself. The fact that they had major oil production probably played into that conflict also.

War is Evil.Ultimately all War goes against almighty God's will. But I believe the United States always fights for what is good or to preserve Freedom. We don't always make that case clearly, but I think it is always our objective because we could easily conquer people and we don't. We liberate them.