Whose record is this? Just for fun and discussion:

[JacksonTiger.sixpack]

2002		44–22	19–10	2nd <small>(West)</small>	NCAA Regional
2003		45–22–1	20–9–1	1st <small>(West)</small>	College World Series
2004		46–19	18–12	T–2nd <small>(West)</small>	College World Series
2005		40–22	18–12	T–1st <small>(West)</small>	NCAA Regional
2006		35–24	13–17	4th <small>(West)</small>	SEC Tournament

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Fired with a 87-60-1 SEC record.

 

[uptowndawg]

Smoke?

 

[Bulldogg31]

No idea but is he still available? Wow.

 

[patdog]

What??? You can't fire a coach only 2 years after 2 straight CWS!! That's insane! I bet that program fell completely off the college baseball radar after making such a stupid move. **

 

[JacksonTiger.sixpack]

Yep. Cohen didn't follow a Bertman-type tenure. He followed a dumpster fire. The landscape was also different back then as the emphasis on baseball in the early 2000's in the SEC still wasn't what it is today, in my opinion. However, there is a precedent for a short leash when the perception of the direction of the program is negative while the on field results would "justify" more time.

In however long Strickland gives Cohen, a question has to "where should State be in baseball but is that level realistic?" For me, my expectations for LSU baseball have dramatically changed over the years. Getting out of regionals and super regionals isn't guaranteed (and making the SEC tournament isn't). I don't think a solid program can expect to make the post season every year nowadays. Until our 2nd baseman quit going to class, LSU was expected to return only 1 batter in our line up (the one that played in Starkville). Who knows what we'll do next year.

 

[Dawg1976]

He must have screwed the batgirl.

 

[MSU'92]

There is no place for your solid analysis, fan insight and pure damn common sense in this argument



































Thanks for posting that though. Good stuff.

 

[Xenomorph]

The competitiveness of SEC baseball from 2002-2006 was no different than today. Maybe the 80's were different.. But by the time you reach the year 2000 it's pretty much the same as today.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I bet their football program also went to crap **

 

[JacksonTiger.sixpack]

I hear ya in that SEC competitiveness has been prevalent since the early 1990's.

However, I think that competitiveness is more league-wide and consistent now (and in the region as a result). Of course, my opinion is merely anecdotal.

But, consider that Vandy built their new stadium in 2002, Auburn built their's in 2002, South Carolina in 2009, Ole Miss reno in 2009, Baum reno in the mid to late 2000's, new Alex Box in 2009, Alabama building a new one right now, we now have A&M (blue bell in 2012) and Missouri, Georgia redid their seats a few years ago, and State going to build a new stadium. The arms race that started in the late 90's to mid 2000's is now evening out. All SEC schools "play baseball" and are serious about winning (because it makes money).

Before Smoke was fired in 2006, only LSU and Georgia had won a national title and Alabama and Florida had finished second. Since Smoke was fired, LSU has won one, South Carolina has won two and Vandy has won one. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina and State have finished second.

I "feel" like the average SEC baseball team is better than the average baseball team was 10 years ago so it's now harder to stay "average" or better. Then again, if Cohen does actually have the financial commitment and school support above the "average" SEC team, then I imagine there were be some tough questions to answer at the end of the year. I just don't think you fire him yet but the precedent is there. The seat is really really warm next year.

 

[dawgstudent]

I have no problem with firing Cohen if we don't make the tourney next year. It would be insane to fire him this year. Absolutely insane.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I have no problem with firing Cohen if we don't make the tourney next year. It would be insane to fire him this year. Absolutely insane.

Agreed.*

 

[patdog]

I have no problem with firing him now. He's coached 3 of the worst 4 teams in the last 40 years and by all appearances, he's lost this team. Once you've lost a team, you rarely ever get it back (see Rick Stansbury when he lost the team in about 2007 or so). If Stricklin does decide to fire him, he'll have plenty of good candidates to choose from to replace him. I'm OK with giving him 1 more year if he's willing to make some major changes (which I think he will), but we have to stop the mindset that we owe our coaches every benefit of the doubt.

 

[MSU'92]

I don't share your optimism. I think Cohen is such a self-righteous ******* that he honestly thinks he is untouchable and will refuse to change. We definitely seem to have no shortage of fans that support his ego. I would imagine as soon as Bailey Howell is sick of Cohen then that is when Scott will pull the trigger. I would imagine the fact that we will be breaking in a new direction for our basketball program will grant Cohen one more year. I don't know if our Athletic Department is big enough to handle two new coaches for the big 3 sports at once.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Patdog if by major changes you mean firing assistants I don't see that happening. Cohen seems to me to be more like Croom that way. Those are his guys and he won't throw them under any buses.

Maybe we see a reallocation of our 11.7 baseball schollys?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Question,

does completely making up **** that isn't true fall into this "pure damn common sense" category?

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I never would have guessed seeing this kind of reply today.

Fire him now... give him another year if he makes major changes. I'm guessing the changes have something to do with cutting off his balls and referring to the SixPack page before he makes a line up or calls any plays in the game.

 

[patdog]

Cohen's a stubborn prick (which is not necessarily a bad attribute for a head coach to have), but I don't think he's an idiot. He made the comment a couple of weeks ago that "We're evaluating a lot of things in our baseball program right now." He knows the program is in deep **** right now, and I think he knows he can't just keep doing the same things with the same assistant coaches and the same players and expect any success. We'll see. I do know that if I'm Stricklin and he doesn't tell me he's going to make some changes in the coaching staff, I'd go ahead and pull the trigger now.

 

[dawgstudent]

Then you would lose a good % of your fanbase if you fired Cohen this year.

Even if he says he is making no changes - you ride with him another year. He's not Rick Ray. His first 2 years should not count. He has taken us to the post season 4 out of 5 years since then and I agree that MSU baseball should be held to a higher standard than any other sport but you don't fire a guy after one bad season. As I said, the first 2 don't count.

 

[MSU'92]

Are you a pedophile in training or do you naturally follow guys around all day just to talk to them?

 

[LawDawg97]

How would following a grown man around

Are you a pedophile in training or do you naturally follow guys around all day just to talk to them?

train him to be that? You're such a dipshit.

 

[patdog]

You make a good hire and you'll keep the fanbase. Ordinarily I agree that you don't fire a coach after 1 bad season. But calling this a "bad season" doesn't really do it justice. This is a train wreck. Sometimes one season can be bad enough that you're better off firing the coach. Auburn fired Gene Chizik after one "bad season." We effectively fired Polk after one "bad season." I know he technically resigned, but we gave him a giant "17 you" by not hiring his designated successor. LSU fired Smoke after one "bad season." Hell, we even fired Croom only 1 year after a bowl game.

 

[MSU'92]

You training to be his parole officer?

 

[dawgstudent]

Username #3 is in your future.

 

[Dawg1976]

Then you would lose a good % of your fanbase if you fired Cohen this year.

.

Cohen has divided the fan base anyway. Fire him and you get some back. Its a wash.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Good

one, Corky.

But seriously, does just making up **** out of the blue that is false constitute as "common sense?"

 

[KurtRambis4]

The people that

want to fire him now fall into two categories...

1) Raffo/Polk Supporters
or
2) Maniacs

 

[Confucius Say]

You make a good hire and you'll keep the fanbase. Ordinarily I agree that you don't fire a coach after 1 bad season. But calling this a "bad season" doesn't really do it justice. This is a train wreck. Sometimes one season can be bad enough that you're better off firing the coach. Auburn fired Gene Chizik after one "bad season." We effectively fired Polk after one "bad season." I know he technically resigned, but we gave him a giant "17 you" by not hiring his designated successor. LSU fired Smoke after one "bad season." Hell, we even fired Croom only 1 year after a bowl game.

If you think we fired croom because of the 2008 results, you are wrong. It is statements and reasoning like this that kill credibility.

 

[DerHntr]

If you think he should be fired, who would you replace him with?**

Who would take our job after we fire a guy two years removed from a runner up CWS title?**

How much money are you willing to donate to help us hire a new coach?**

How many games have you been to this year? And do you have season tickets?**

/this thread was missing a few typical SPS responses during a "fire the coach" discussion

 

[DawgatAuburn]

You've threatened, I've threatened...but one among us does not threaten.

 

[Augustus McCrae]

OP4?

 

[Confucius Say]

Cohen has divided the fan base anyway. Fire him and you get some back. Its a wash.

No, not Cohen. Our idiot fans have divided the fan base. They want to fire the guy who, while underperforming in the regular season, has achieved the most postseason success in our history over one bad season.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Voted off of Moderator Island.


(vote was 1-0)

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

I would have already banned him

But he reminds me a bit of Costanza