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HoneyMoon155

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I was going off of pomeroy ratings, which I think are pretty solid. But it’s hard to argue that record comparison.
Haven’t looked at pomeroy ratings, have they really been ranked higher in each of the last 4 seasons? I find that hard to believe, especially in 2017
 

Will.Bithers

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Beard has put a better Texas Tech team on the court than Cal has at Kentucky in each of the last four years. Kentucky won in overtime head to head, but that doesn’t mean much to me when it comes to evaluating who had the better season.
Beard has double digit losses 3 out of 4 seasons. You might want to check your math!
 

michael895

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Why do people except for Beard to put up UK-like numbers when he’s not even at UK yet and at TTU. They have always been one of the worst P5 schools in basketball and have some of the worst facilities in Texas. And they have to recruit against Texas for in state talent along with Baylor. If he can bring in top 20 classes at TTU, why can’t he bring in top 8 or so classes at UK?
 

sluggercatfan

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Wright, Stevens, Donovan, Few, Izzo would all not come to UK no matter how much money you give them. I also doubt Tony Bennet would either. I think the top tier of guys you could get would be Beard, Oats, Holtman, and someone like John Behlin. Also think that Travis Steele from Xavier might turn into a good hire depending how Xavier does the next couple of season and same with Eric Musselman.
Brad Steven's makes 3.7 million coaching an iconic nba team...you tell me you offer him 8 million a year to coach at the most iconic team in cbb and that there would be zero change he turns this job down. I just don't see it.
 

Will.Bithers

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Brad Steven's makes 3.7 million coaching an iconic nba team...you tell me you offer him 8 million a year to coach at the most iconic team in cbb and that there would be zero change he turns this job down. I just don't see it.
Lol, that is just his base salary. He gets a lot of incentives added in annually that make that salary far closer to what we pay. Then he also gets advertisement deals. He also doesn't deal with recruiting, NCAA, parents/handlers and other headaches. Not to mention he has already turned down around 10 college jobs. He has no desire to come back to college or UK. It just isn't realistic.
 

michael895

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Brad Steven's makes 3.7 million coaching an iconic nba team...you tell me you offer him 8 million a year to coach at the most iconic team in cbb and that there would be zero change he turns this job down. I just don't see it.
Coaching in the NBA is a much better job to some than College basketball regardless of how much you pay them. Stevens never liked recurring and is coaching a Boston team with one of the best young cores in the league. He is not coming back to CBB unless he is forced out of Boston.
 

Will Bithers

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Why do people except for Beard to put up UK-like numbers when he’s not even at UK yet and at TTU. They have always been one of the worst P5 schools in basketball and have some of the worst facilities in Texas. And they have to recruit against Texas for in state talent along with Baylor. If he can bring in top 20 classes at TTU, why can’t he bring in top 8 or so classes at UK?
Lol, no. He has done nothing. 3 of 4 seasons he has double digit losses. He was already in the NIT once there and would have been back last year. His team isn't even off to a hot start this year. Just handing someone a better job doesn't mean they magically perform it better. That is one of the most illogical beliefs ever. Chris Beard's resume is steaming pile of dogshit so far. He doesn't deserve an interview.
 
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sluggercatfan

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Lol, that is just his base salary. He gets a lot of incentives added in annually that make that salary far closer to what we pay. Then he also gets advertisement deals. He also doesn't deal with recruiting, NCAA, parents/handlers and other headaches. Not to mention he has already turned down around 10 college jobs. He has no desire to come back to college or UK. It just isn't realistic.
He'd still be the 1st I'd ask and make him tell me no. You never know.
 

michael895

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Lol, no. He has done nothing. 3 of 4 seasons he has double digit losses. He was already in the NIT once there and would have been back last year. His team isn't even off to a hot start this year. Just handing someone a better job doesn't mean they magically perform it better. That is one of the most illogical beliefs ever. Chris Beard's resume is steaming pile of dogshit so far. He doesn't deserve an interview.
So for Cal, you will worship him for an E8 but not the same with Beard? That's weird. Beards last 4 seasons have been better than Cal with 1 E8 and Championship appearance alone.
 
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sluggercatfan

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I mean, you can ask anyone, but I can assure you it's a resounding no. 99% chance we would get told there was no interest before an offer could even be presented.
Brad Stevens signed a 6 year / $22,000,000 contract with the Boston Celtics, including an annual average salary of $3,666,667. In , Stevens will earn a base salary of , a signing bonus of , a roster bonus of , a signing bonus of , a restructure bonus of , a workout bonus of and a incentive bonus of , while carrying a cap hit of and a dead cap value of .

Contract:6 yr(s) / $22,000,000Signing Bonus:-Average Salary:$3,666,667Signed Using:Free Agent:0 /
 
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Will Bithers

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So for Cal, you will worship him for an E8 but not the same with Beard? That's weird. Beards last 4 seasons have been better than Cal with 1 E8 and Championship appearance alone.
Lol, well, no. Cal has a championship, 6 F4 in his career, 4 at UK. 7 E8's at UK and like 10+ overall.

Beard has 3 seasons with double digit losses in the last 4. He has an NIT appearance and a would be NIT appearance last year. So, that means 50% of the time he wouldn't have even made the tournament. Cal has had us in it all 4 of those years. We went to 2 E8's and a SW16 in that period. We also won 2 conference tournaments and 2 regular season championships to their none in that same time frame. Are you honestly that naïve to their records and accomplishments? Chris Beard is a Kia Elantra, Cal is a Rolls-Royce.
 

Will.Bithers

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Brad Stevens signed a 6 year / $22,000,000 contract with the Boston Celtics, including an annual average salary of $3,666,667. In , Stevens will earn a base salary of , a signing bonus of , a roster bonus of , a signing bonus of , a restructure bonus of , a workout bonus of and a incentive bonus of , while carrying a cap hit of and a dead cap value of .

Contract:6 yr(s) / $22,000,000Signing Bonus:-Average Salary:$3,666,667Signed Using:Free Agent:0 /
Right! Notice that says annual average salary and lists a plethora of other bonus structures he can earn.
 
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You said Pitino’s first teams were full of athletes and not players. The absolute opposite is true. We had no athletes unless you consider Farmer, Pelphrey, Feldhaus, and the likes great athletes. LOL. They were pretty skilled players but were no where near great athletes.
I'm talking about the teams with Andre Riddick, Amimu Timberlake and Junior Braddy, not the first bunch.
 
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anon_q409idbs5m40a

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Lexington crime ain’t breaking any damn records. My family lives there, I used to live there and I go there quite often, it, like any other city, has bad areas, but don't even try to act like it's freaking Gary, IN.
They might have higher crime than they did 10 years ago, but the population is much greater and it's still booming. Hilarious. Nice reach.
When I lived there in the late '70's-early '80's the worst part of town was around Douglas Park, other than that I don't recall any other section being really bad.
 

Woodrow24

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Why do people except for Beard to put up UK-like numbers when he’s not even at UK yet and at TTU. They have always been one of the worst P5 schools in basketball and have some of the worst facilities in Texas. And they have to recruit against Texas for in state talent along with Baylor. If he can bring in top 20 classes at TTU, why can’t he bring in top 8 or so classes at UK?
Your post is logical and doesn’t fit the weird agenda of some on this board. How anyone can compare a coach at a historically bad school like Texas tech to coaching at a Blue blood school like Kentucky isn’t fair or rational at all. Those same people have to degrade other coaches to fit their agenda to deflect any fair or unfair criticisms of Calipari. It’s really strange at times.
 
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anon_q409idbs5m40a

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Do you have any idea what the Baylor basketball program was like before Drew took over?

It had one of the worst histories of any major conference program in the country. Had never won anything, was universally regarded as a joke, was on probation and dealing with severe sanctions for the incredibly ugly Bliss scandal. It was one of those graveyard jobs where it was considered nearly impossible to win.

Given those circumstances, I think it’s quite silly to knock Drew for “well, he still hasn’t reached the final four“ type reasoning. The job he’s done turning that former dumpster fire of a program into a perrenial highly ranked winner has been remarkable.
On top of all this, did you ever hear of the "Happy Meal incident" when Gene Iba coached Baylor? It was back in the early 90's and Baylor had just lost to TCU in Fort Worth. Iba was so upset that he had the team bus drive through a McDonald's in Fort Worth for the post game "meal". Never paid and the bus bolted through the drive-through line with a load of burgers and fries. After getting back to Waco after midnight, Iba had the team go through a full practice since he was so incensed. The police didn't catch up with him until the next day but it was a total embarrassment for the Baylor program.
 

michael895

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Lol, well, no. Cal has a championship, 6 F4 in his career, 4 at UK. 7 E8's at UK and like 10+ overall.

Beard has 3 seasons with double digit losses in the last 4. He has an NIT appearance and a would be NIT appearance last year. So, that means 50% of the time he wouldn't have even made the tournament. Cal has had us in it all 4 of those years. We went to 2 E8's and a SW16 in that period. We also won 2 conference tournaments and 2 regular season championships to their none in that same time frame. Are you honestly that naïve to their records and accomplishments? Chris Beard is a Kia Elantra, Cal is a Rolls-Royce.
I would take an E8 and a championship appearance over 3 Elite eights and a round of 32 exit. I struggle to understand why you feel he should be the second coming of John Wooden at TTU to be eligible to coach at UK.
 

Will Bithers

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I would take an E8 and a championship appearance over 3 Elite eights and a round of 32 exit. I struggle to understand why you feel he should be the second coming of John Wooden at TTU to be eligible to coach at UK.
I think you seem confused. I don't think anyone claimed he should win 11 titles. However, going to the NIT 50% of the time and an expectation of double digit losses annually won't work well here. Not to mention 0 conference tournament championships. We have people like you not satisfied with 5 - 6 losses a season and E8 finishes. If Beard and that record are the best we can do, we have really fallen on hard times.
 

michael895

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I think you seem confused. I don't think anyone claimed he should win 11 titles. However, going to the NIT 50% of the time and an expectation of double digit losses annually won't work well here. Not to mention 0 conference tournament championships. We have people like you not satisfied with 5 - 6 losses a season and E8 finishes. If Beard and that record are the best we can do, we have really fallen on hard times.
Oh man, how dare a coach have mediocre seasons the first 2 years on the job at the traditional CBB powerhouse Texas Tech. TTU had never been to the E8 in its 90 years of existence, and in 4 years Beard has been to 2. Stop trying to expect coaches at historically bad programs with nowhere near the resources and recruiting pull to compete consistently in such a short time period.
 
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Wright, Stevens, Donovan, Few, Izzo would all not come to UK no matter how much money you give them. I also doubt Tony Bennet would either. I think the top tier of guys you could get would be Beard, Oats, Holtman, and someone like John Behlin. Also think that Travis Steele from Xavier might turn into a good hire depending how Xavier does the next couple of season and same with Eric Musselman.

exactly

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michael895

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Lol, TT isn't this abysmal program you are wanting to make them out to be. They had literally just been in the tournament the year before Beard took them over. He missed it his first year and would have missed it last year. The 2nd year he also had double digit losses but they managed to acquire enough good wins to make the tournament. Last year they would have been in the NIT again.

Lots of coaches at historically bad or unaccomplished programs have succeeded far more than Beard at TX. You don't just hire someone on a hunch you think they might magically do better elsewhere. That gets you the likes of Sutton, Smith and BCG.


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I guarantee you he would bottom for Chris Beard. Hell, Morg is probably willing to lick Beards ******* if that is what Beard wants.
Damn if I would be like that for Beard, it would be scary how low you would go for your savior Calipari.
 
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anon_ddojbbh8q7xrt

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I anticipate retirements in the next 5-10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being:

UK -Drew
Duke - Few
Kansas - Wright
UNC - Beard
 
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RoyKent

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Lol, well, no. Cal has a championship, 6 F4 in his career, 4 at UK. 7 E8's at UK and like 10+ overall.

Beard has 3 seasons with double digit losses in the last 4. He has an NIT appearance and a would be NIT appearance last year. So, that means 50% of the time he wouldn't have even made the tournament. Cal has had us in it all 4 of those years. We went to 2 E8's and a SW16 in that period. We also won 2 conference tournaments and 2 regular season championships to their none in that same time frame. Are you honestly that naïve to their records and accomplishments? Chris Beard is a Kia Elantra, Cal is a Rolls-Royce.

Stop with your silly facts please
 
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RoyKent

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I anticipate retirements in the next 5-10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being:

UK -Drew
Duke - Few
Kansas - Wright
UNC - Beard

This might be the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on this site and that is quite the accomplishment. Congratulations!
 
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Anon1679859502

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Let’s hope it isn’t Mitchs decision
Last time I checked he was the AD so why wouldn’t be his decision lol
But that’s okay because there will be another coaching change to replace the coach that replaces Calipari after year three of not satisfying fans expectations. Mitch will also oversee that replacement also since that is his job
 
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Last time I checked he was the AD so why wouldn’t be his decision lol
But that’s okay because there will be another coaching change to replace the coach that replaces Calipari after year three of not satisfying fans expectations. Mitch will also oversee that replacement also since that is his job

You made my point. Mitch will make the wrong decision resulting in having to make another 3 years later
 

AGEE11

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If I was Barnhart and Cal decides to leave (only way he's gone IMO) you go in this order and throw serious cash at them. Make them say no. It is hard to turn down $10M a year

Stevens
Few
Donovan
The old Michigan coach who's name is escaping me that went to the Cavs
Hail Mary attempt at Izzo
Then you look at the Beards, Drews, etc...

But one bad year and this one is really bad) is not going to see Cal fired.
 

ScottGreene22

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No one knows any of these coaches personally. We do know most have huge egos and like $. Kentucky is a dream job for any Coach in Basketball. I think if CAL leaves we won’t have trouble finding his replacement. Will it work out who knows but they can hire just about anyone.