Because the other one is 2 guys pissing on each other and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.
Hagans gone.
Which domino falls next?
ANYONE coming back?
Hagans gone.
Which domino falls next?
ANYONE coming back?
Who's staying and going thread
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I still think IQ might come back based on what I have heard.
I still think EJ will end up returning when he discovers the NBA doesn't want him right now.And it seems a bad time to play overseas.
I think this is a key point that people haven't really talked about.
I have a hard time imagining 20 year olds wanting to leave for overseas long-term a month after this whole mess starts to clear up.
Do people really believe that he’s pushing the EJ Montgomery’s of the world to declare and stay in the NBA?
Hagans-Gone
Maxey-soon to be Gone
Richards-Probably gone
IQ-Probably gone
EJ-Probably back
Maxey-soon to be Gone
Richards-Probably gone
IQ-Probably gone
EJ-Probably back
Heard he is pushing all the football players to the nba draft as well.
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I think that IQ, Richards, Montgomery, and Maxey are all gone. Just a gut feeling.
IMO, it's more likely those four leave than at least one returns. I would love to be wrong.
Maxey: Obviously, he needs to go. Should hear something soon, maybe tomorrow.
IQ: Apparently, he's leaving no matter what. (Could be misinformation, IDK.) The big thing is that UK almost never returns the SEC POY, even if IQ is a likely second rounder.
Richards: "Highest" his draft stock has been since he got here. He could be fine with a second round pick after being labeled 'undrafted' the past two years.
Montgomery: His dad's quotes said it all. Even though he'll go undrafted, I feel as though he won't be back next year.
Again, this is my opinion, and I could be completely wrong. I know that there are a lot of uncertainties about the future which would make it seem as though some of these guys should come back, but I'm staying put on the belief that they're all gone.
I would love to see some of the guys return, though.
IMO, it's more likely those four leave than at least one returns. I would love to be wrong.
Maxey: Obviously, he needs to go. Should hear something soon, maybe tomorrow.
IQ: Apparently, he's leaving no matter what. (Could be misinformation, IDK.) The big thing is that UK almost never returns the SEC POY, even if IQ is a likely second rounder.
Richards: "Highest" his draft stock has been since he got here. He could be fine with a second round pick after being labeled 'undrafted' the past two years.
Montgomery: His dad's quotes said it all. Even though he'll go undrafted, I feel as though he won't be back next year.
Again, this is my opinion, and I could be completely wrong. I know that there are a lot of uncertainties about the future which would make it seem as though some of these guys should come back, but I'm staying put on the belief that they're all gone.
I would love to see some of the guys return, though.
No I don’t. Privately, he’s probably as frustrated by it as we are. I don’t believe he even was advising Ashton to leave. But, of course, after the decision is made he’s going to be supportive of it publicly.
No need to guess, we will have to wait. I'm going to get excited once we find out from the players.
I’m still holding out hope that Quickley and Montgomery stay. I think they will add a grad transfer big man and go with 11 scholarship players.
Anyone here think Hagans leaving just boosted the odds of Richards and IQ coming back? Not by a lot.. maybe just a few percentage points.
..but IQ was not going to comr back with Hagans here. Zero percent chance.
..but IQ was not going to comr back with Hagans here. Zero percent chance.
All 5 are most likely gone. But that doesn’t mean next year will be brutal.
Here is how I view it and it helps me from going crazy about it. Each year I figure 5/6 leave for whatever reason, if any of them come back, it's a plus. So far we already have Juzang, Whitney,Hagans, Sestina (elgibility) gone for sure. That is 4, if IQ, Nick,EJ, Maxey leave, that will be 8. Take away Sestina, and we have 7. We have 13 spots available (which Cal never fills), so how can anyone expect to compete for a title losing OVER half your roster every year? Not only half the roster, but the majority of scoring and minutes played. So any of you thinking we will hang #9 next year with all freshmen and two sophomores, one of which has not played a single minute, then I have a nice bridge to sell you. This is not a receipe for the ultimate goal, winning the National Championship.
There is no evidence that suggests you can't win a championship with freshmen and sophomores. I know you are going to immediately point to the fact it has never been done, but that doesn't mean it can't, just that it hasn't. The fact that there has only been a hand full of teams constructed that way, and 2 of them reached the championship game tends to suggest that while it has never happened, it can in fact happen.
My preference would obviously be to not be constructed that way, and to have all of IQ, EJ and Richards return. And for all we know, that could in fact happen. But if it doesn't, that doesn't mean our chances of winning a championship go to 0%. Will it decrease? Yes, but it doesn't go to 0%.
Can you win a title playing mostly Fr and Sophomores? Maybe. But history has shown that has never happened so your chances are not very good at all. I mean in 2012 we had AD and MKG but without Darius Miller's leadership, do we win the title?
Look at it this way. Abigail Ratchford could knock on your door tonight and ask you to marry her but the chances are very good that's not going to happen.
To be fair, your chances are slim regardless of roster makeup. As I stated in another thread, the chances a team wins with all freshmen, or even a combination of freshmen with sophomores is slim, but not because of the reasons most quote. The reason is because it is very rare to have a roster constructed that way. You point to D Miller, but can you really say that if you replaced him with a similar talent that was a freshman that they wouldnt have won?? Miller helped because he was good, not because he was a senior. Cal took a bunch of freshmen with a lone sophomore to the championship game. They lost there by a few points, with their best player hobbled. Those same freshmen out duel down the stretch 4 consecutive teams with immensely more experience. Why is that?? Because experience at its core provides little. The argument for experience is really just that players get better over time. But there are freshmen and sophomores that are better than the majority of the upperclassmen even in their youth. Players making plays is what matters, and their age matters little, at least when they are coached by Cal.
If you had to choose a single player to remove off the 2012 team out of the top 6, what would your order be like?? For me, Miller would be first, then probably TJ, then maybe lamb, then MKG, then Teague, then AD. Reasoning is simple, Teague gets pushed down the list because he was the only real PG on the team, and that is very important. AD is last for obvious reasons. MKG because of the effort and athleticism especially on the defensive end. TJ and Lamb are tough, I could be convinced to switch them rather easily, but both were more important than Miller. I love Miller, and I'm glad he was in that team, and he was definitely a major contributor to that championship, but he was the least important of the top 6. He just happened to be a senior.
Cal has a plan. I can't believe some of you think he's going go into next year showing his ***.
It's going to be a long offseason. Be patient.
It's going to be a long offseason. Be patient.
All I can say is that based on what I was told before the season, they were expecting to bring in 8 new players. Now you see why. 8 are gone already (Juzang was poached so that wasn't expected but happens). They had 3 open scholarships. Sestina was going to be gone. Nick/Maxey/Whitney were all expected to go prior to season with Whitney's departure being for different reason then expected. Throw in Hagans of the guys who were likely to leave as well.
EJ/Quickley were the on the fence guys prior to year and Quickley played himself into the POY in the Conference. EJ Montgomery decided to lie to himself about his ability when returning "I'd have been a 1st Rounder if I came out" talk. He played to a level that has many thinking he's not on even on the board of teams in a universally maligned/panned Draft class. Not sure you want that back, but I get it if it makes you feel better that he would want to come back. He's shown no clue of what it takes to be a good college player let alone a Pro. To me if a player that approaches his career that way doesn't want to return, not expecting anything if he were to come back.
Quickley returning would be the boost next year's team needs because he's performed, he works, and has a personality that fits in with a team. If EJ joined him, he'd need to be held to a standard he's shown he can't achieve to this point. Would he? We'll see.
EJ/Quickley were the on the fence guys prior to year and Quickley played himself into the POY in the Conference. EJ Montgomery decided to lie to himself about his ability when returning "I'd have been a 1st Rounder if I came out" talk. He played to a level that has many thinking he's not on even on the board of teams in a universally maligned/panned Draft class. Not sure you want that back, but I get it if it makes you feel better that he would want to come back. He's shown no clue of what it takes to be a good college player let alone a Pro. To me if a player that approaches his career that way doesn't want to return, not expecting anything if he were to come back.
Quickley returning would be the boost next year's team needs because he's performed, he works, and has a personality that fits in with a team. If EJ joined him, he'd need to be held to a standard he's shown he can't achieve to this point. Would he? We'll see.
Excellent explanation.
I disagree with your analysis of the 2012 team though. Marquis Teague was the worst player in that top 6 by a country mile. Despite being the only "PG" on the team, I'd still replace him because he was so much worse than his teammates. We'd just have to play without a traditional PG. Teams have won championships without a prototypical "PG."
I agree that Teague was the worst player in the top 6, it's just that what he did "PG" is not easily replaceable by others on the roster. The same is true for AD. MKG,Jones, Lamb and Miller were all interchangeable, meaning that the guy that wasn't playing could provide some of what each of those players provided if they weren't on the team. Trying to play someone else at PG would be like Pitino trying to make Delk the PG. People tend to forget, but that team really took off when Epps took over the PG position. My opinion is that the PG position is probably the most important position on the floor.
Having said that, if we get to actually replace a player with any player in college, then Teague would likely be my first to replace, and I'd replace him with another PG. But if we are just simply removing the player from the roster, he goes way down the list.
Oh didn’t you know? Cal drives nails in their eyes if they don’t leave. The CLOD knows he’s been forcing them out for years.
Of course they are not forced out. Only the profoundly stupid could possibly believe that.
The obvious difference is that Epps is not Teague and was a far better player.
There is no magical importance on the PG position. There are many ways to win as long as the team as a collective possesses the fundamental skills to winning. The fact that the 2012 was able to win with a weak PG highlights this. We had multiple players on that team who could handle the ball and distribute. Miller, Lamb, MKG, and Jones were all good ball handlers. When we have that many guys who can dribble, who plays PG becomes even less important as his responsibilities become diffused through the team.
Anyway, I hear ya and appreciate the discussion. I think we're just going to disagree.
Lets face it. This is a no-brainer for them all. There may not be a basketball season next year for them to return to to sharpen their skills blah blah blah. No one knows what next college or NBA season looks like right now. So if you are in doubt....try to get someone to write you a check. What school is going to be open this summer for them to stay on/near campus and to eat? I'm shocked any of them are back at this point.
Hagans-gone
Maxey- gone
Richards- gone
IQ-gone
EJ-gone
Sestina -gone (obviously)
Juzang- already gone
KL- bye Felicia
My predictions. Next year will probably be rough. Maybe not though.
Maxey- gone
Richards- gone
IQ-gone
EJ-gone
Sestina -gone (obviously)
Juzang- already gone
KL- bye Felicia
My predictions. Next year will probably be rough. Maybe not though.
I do think it can be done but for it to be done you need the elite of the elite freshman and very solid sophomores. Brooks was mediocre at best this last year so we can’t really rely on him and Allen hasn’t played basketball in like two years.
We have excellent guys coming in but aside from maybe Clarke none are elite elite (Fox, monk, wall, cousins, MGK, AD, Kat etc...)