Who here is old enough to remember

[Quincy A. Wagstaff]

when State fans decided that Joe Moorhead wasn't a good football coach after losing to Kentucky (10-3) and Florida (10-3) in year one while trying to install a new offense and "wasting" the SEC's best defense?


Well, State is 1-3 and leads the SEC in total yards allowed, yards allowed/play, and yards allowed/game.


Don't forget to smash the downvote.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Joe wasn’t necessarily fired for on the field performance

 

[Russ Wheeler]

You’re not wrong. You’re an awful poster but you’re not wrong on this subject.

 

[aTotal360]

What exactly is your point? We should have kept JoMo?

 

[engie]

Your wish is my command joe

 

[BigDawg0074]

Joe’s offense didn’t set a record and he was fired in part due to a host of off-the-field issues. Joe’s teams always looked like **** and they had a tendency to act like ********. They were also weak and poorly conditioned.

 

[3000lbchicken]

uh hmmm

Mississippi State at 15:00
1st and 10 at MS25	PENALTY MS delay of game 5 yards to the MS20.
1st and 15 at MS20	Tommy Stevens LSL pass incomplete to Farrod Green.
2nd and 15 at MS20	Tommy Stevens LF pass complete to Farrod Green for 7 yards to the MS27 (Jeremiah Dinson).
3rd and 8 at MS27	Tommy Stevens sacked for loss of 16 yards to the MS11 (Jeremiah Dinson).
4th and 24 at MS11	PENALTY MS delay of game 5 yards to the MS6.
4th and 29 at MS06	Tucker Day punt 42 yards to the MS48, Christian Tutt return 18 yards to the MS30 (Paul Blackwell).
TOTAL	3 plays , -19 yards Time of Possession: 1:56

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[jethreauxdawg]

Now be fair

uh hmmm

Mississippi State at 15:00
1st and 10 at MS25	PENALTY MS delay of game 5 yards to the MS20.
1st and 15 at MS20	Tommy Stevens LSL pass incomplete to Farrod Green.
2nd and 15 at MS20	Tommy Stevens LF pass complete to Farrod Green for 7 yards to the MS27 (Jeremiah Dinson).
3rd and 8 at MS27	Tommy Stevens sacked for loss of 16 yards to the MS11 (Jeremiah Dinson).
4th and 24 at MS11	PENALTY MS delay of game 5 yards to the MS6.
4th and 29 at MS06	Tucker Day punt 42 yards to the MS48, Christian Tutt return 18 yards to the MS30 (Paul Blackwell).
TOTAL	3 plays , -19 yards Time of Possession: 1:56

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Don’t just post our good opening drives

 

[DAWG61]

Moorhead got fired because he started a passive aggressive battle with the fans. Once you do that and start talking down to everyone you're toast. Unless you're Saban.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Got fired because enough people saw that he was taking us down the toilet!

 

[DAWG61]

Nah he wasn't getting along with the fans. If he kicks Gay off the team and says he's not putting up with that **** everyone woulda wanted him back this year. It wouldn't of taken much. He just made no effort or didn't know how to.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

BUT, he did not

And then Gay, puts our QB out of commission, before the bowl game.

Jo Mo , had to go.

 

[DAWG61]

I'm fine with Joe going but Leach is laying a giant turd so far. He's like the dumbest smart guy coaching offense right now. Completely inconsistent in his philosophy of attacking them were they aren't.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Moorhead got fired because he started a passive aggressive battle with the fans. Once you do that and start talking down to everyone you're toast. Unless you're Saban.

So far Mike Leach has not told us to kick rocks or pound sand. Nor have any of our linebackers ended the season of our QB with a punch to the eye.

So I say 17 Sloppy Joe

 

[RockKickinSandPoundinSOB]

when State fans decided that Joe Moorhead wasn't a good football coach after losing to Kentucky (10-3) and Florida (10-3) in year one while trying to install a new offense and "wasting" the SEC's best defense?


Well, State is 1-3 and leads the SEC in total yards allowed, yards allowed/play, and yards allowed/game.


Don't forget to smash the downvote.

Dumbass point. For starters there is proof Leach is a good head coach. His Win-Loss record as a head coach in Power 5. There was little to none of that proof for Joe Moorhead.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Given that Moorhead tanked is in two years and leach was a complete change on offense I’m willing to give him longer. It’s not his fault Cohen hired him. He has also had a better track record at two different basement dweller schools. Granted not great defensive conferences. Jo had multiple problems besides losses. Now, leach had a huge start but has since been dog ****. We still haven’t been blown out yet thanks to our defense. The defense might be the most improved bunch so I like that. He doesn’t have the loaded 2018 defense that Joe had as far draftable talent. Arnett needs a raise. Leach is what he is but if you aren’t constantly adapting in any career to issues you face then you aren't progressing. Hopefully he wants to succeed in this challenge in modern sec. he strikes me as the personality that wants to figure things out and beat the other guy. It is alarming though how one defensive change has him completely baffled right now. Even if it’s year one and his preferred qb is still a freshman, you still didn’t expect them to come out and be this bad through 4. So far we are worse than I expected snd I really didn’t expect a lot first year air raid with our roster and in sec.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Joe Moorhead PROVED to John Cohen that he made a bad hire, and Cohen finally heard and saw enough to send him packing in just two years. Then Ole Miss made a splash hire and Cohen was expected to do the same. So instead of working his way through a list of G5 and lower level P5 Head Coaches, he went for the flaky guy with a reputation of creating offensive explosions in the passing game.

The issue is there was still enough holdover from Mullen’s last two crappy signing classes and Joe Moorhead’s skill positions only signing classes, that have no clue how to run this simple yet difficult to master offense. And the transfer portal has sucked for MSU in both directions.

 

[ColoradoDawg]

 

[BigDawg0074]

It’s possible that Leach got lucky with Arnett but I gotta give him credit for that outstanding hire. I gotta think that it must have been in part due to coach Leach’s experience. By all accounts the OL coach is also supposedly good. They have certainly been switching guys around and trying to figure out the problem. It’s not as simple as it seems, 5v3. Most of what I have seen is individuals getting beat 1v1.

 

[HumpDawgy]

When a coach points with a thumb, then who else was to blame?

 

[Quincy A. Wagstaff]

You’re not wrong. You’re an awful poster but you’re not wrong on this subject.

Well that hurts my feelings because I think you're the best poster on this website.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Moorhead and Leach are just two of the many indications that we need a real AD.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Joe Moorhead PROVED to John Cohen that he made a bad hire, and Cohen finally heard and saw enough to send him packing in just two years. Then Ole Miss made a splash hire and Cohen was expected to do the same. So instead of working his way through a list of G5 and lower level P5 Head Coaches, he went for the flaky guy with a reputation of creating offensive explosions in the passing game.

The issue is there was still enough holdover from Mullen’s last two crappy signing classes and Joe Moorhead’s skill positions only signing classes, that have no clue how to run this simple yet difficult to master offense. And the transfer portal has sucked for MSU in both directions.

This is a pretty good summation. But, you absolutely have to consider the fact that Moorhead was trying to turn us into a more pass happy offense, thus Leach should be a little farther ahead than he is right now.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Do you realize how out of shape our team would be if Moorhead were still the coach? We'd be winded before Madelon.

 

[Quincy A. Wagstaff]

What exactly is your point? We should have kept JoMo?

Not second-guessing any decision. Just pointing out that by the standard applied to Moorhead, Leach is in trouble four games in. Hopefully, Leach can win 6+ of his next 12 SEC games to match or do better than Moorhead.

 

[MSUSaint15]

A new offense? It was a spread option offense that was similar to Mullen's. The biggest difference is that Mullen's featured the QB and Moorhead's featured the RB. Leach's offense is completely different, and is going to take time. Right now the biggest issue is our O-line and a QB that can throw the ball a mile and hates checking down.

 

[dawgnuts]

when State fans decided that Joe Moorhead wasn't a good football coach after losing to Kentucky (10-3) and Florida (10-3) in year one while trying to install a new offense and "wasting" the SEC's best defense?


Well, State is 1-3 and leads the SEC in total yards allowed, yards allowed/play, and yards allowed/game.


Don't forget to smash the downvote.

“A (10-3) Kentucky and (10-3) Florida team,” both of which we played like sh*t against with better talent on both sides of the ball. The difference between Leach and Moorhead, is Moorhead set expectations of championships and Heismans, Leach came in telling us “we’re a work in progress.” Penalties aren’t nearly as big as an issue, also. I see 0 similarities in Leach and Moorhead, because Leach has gone through the exact same situations as he is right now, just in the best conference in America this time around. He’ll get it going...

We’re 1-2 because of poor QB play, and 0-1 this week because of sh*t o-line play. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to tell impatient morons like this, but Leach doesn’t get the same luxury he had at Wazzu and Tech to not play an all-SEC schedule in his initial year. We’re decent QB and o-line play away from scoring 1 TD offensively, to 5-6... And I have enough faith in Rogers to be able to do that in the future. We have had to make the biggest jump from last season to this season offensively probably anywhere in America, and we’re doing it with no spring ball. Be patient

 

[dannyripms]

Well said. Leach will get this offense rolling. I have no doubt. IF we keep the def cord. next year we will be hard to handle. We were never going to out Alabama alabama. We had to go a different direction and I can see leach upsetting alabama a few times before he is done here.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Except leach has a defense playing well that is playing above it’s potential.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Leach, with 11 win seasons at his last two stops, gets a longer leash than a first time head coach. Crazy huh?

 

[Russ Wheeler]

A new offense? It was a spread option offense that was similar to Mullen's. The biggest difference is that Mullen's featured the QB and Moorhead's featured the RB. Leach's offense is completely different, and is going to take time. Right now the biggest issue is our O-line and a QB that can throw the ball a mile and hates checking down.

No it wasn't. Moorhead's offense was a passing offense. He wanted a passive OL, just like Leach does.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Be patient

This 'be patient' crap doesn't play anymore. Can someone please tell me of one "be patient" situation that actually worked out? Give me an example of a coach that looked absolutely clueless early on but it ultimately worked? I'll be waiting. You have to show a baseline level of competence.

I'll never believe it again. "Give Croom time, he'll get it rolling." I heard that crap hundreds of times.

This is not an indictment of Leach yet. I'm simply saying that "he'll have it rolling next year" is ********, for any coach. It's not about whether we think it'll get better, it's about being awful now, when there's really not an excuse for it.

 

[mcdawg22]

Well that hurts my feelings because I think you're the best poster on this website.

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[mcdawg22]

So far Mike Leach has not told us to kick rocks or pound sand. Nor have any of our linebackers ended the season of our QB with a punch to the eye.

So I say 17 Sloppy Joe

Well we have to wait for bowl practice for that second part, oh wait.

 

[8dog]

Fortunately one of the only examples I can think of is Mike Leach. Mark Stoops too.

 

[aTotal360]

Whose results I would take 100 times out of 100 at MSU.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Fortunately one of the only examples I can think of is Mike Leach. Mark Stoops too.

That's inaccurate. Leach never looked this bad at either of his other stops. The record may have not looked great, but the team didn't.

Same with Mark Stoops. Kentucky made instant improvement the second he got there.

Either way, Leach should get the benefit of the doubt due to the COVID lack of practice and his resume. I got no problem with that. But I'm definitely concerned.

 

[dog12]

when State fans decided that Joe Moorhead wasn't a good football coach after losing to Kentucky (10-3) and Florida (10-3) in year one while trying to install a new offense and "wasting" the SEC's best defense?


Well, State is 1-3 and leads the SEC in total yards allowed, yards allowed/play, and yards allowed/game.


Don't forget to smash the downvote.

Not sure exactly what you're saying, but I think you're trying to say that this year's coach/offense/defense is very similar to 2018's coach/offense/defense.

Is that correct?

 

[MSUDC11]

This 'be patient' crap doesn't play anymore. Can someone please tell me of one "be patient" situation that actually worked out? Give me an example of a coach that looked absolutely clueless early on but it ultimately worked? I'll be waiting. You have to show a baseline level of competence.

I'll never believe it again. "Give Croom time, he'll get it rolling." I heard that crap hundreds of times.

This is not an indictment of Leach yet. I'm simply saying that "he'll have it rolling next year" is ********, for any coach. It's not about whether we think it'll get better, it's about being awful now, when there's really not an excuse for it.

I mean you can count the good head coaches in our history on one hand so I’m not sure it’s fair to suggest that just because Leach hasn’t started like Sherrill or Mullen did that it won’t get turned around.

Shoot even at Washington State, he went 3-9 in two of his first three years in a bad league and then lost to an FCS team in Week 1 of Year 4. And WSU was a passing team before he got there. Nick Saban went 7-6 his first year at Bama with losses to UL Monroe and Sylvester Croom.

Good coaches have bad first years, it happens sometimes depending on the situation. And I don’t know that Leach inherited as good of a situation as some want to believe. We aren’t totally devoid of talent, but we have some misfits for this system, particularly with our upperclassmen which hurts us this year, and we are also trying to revamp our culture after it was allowed to tail off immensely under Moorhead.

It sucks to have a struggling team and none of us are enjoying this season right now. But this “I’ve seen enough” mentality that some have is very short sighted this early in his tenure. If we still look like this a year from now and are showing no signs of improvement then that’s one thing. But I don’t know how you can’t give Leach the benefit of time given his track record. And it’s premature to make definitive statements after four games as if he’s been here as long as Croom or Moorhead were.

I realize patience barely exists anymore in 2020, but some of that is going to be required here. If you can’t handle that then I don’t really know what to tell you. The situation is what it is.

 

[8dog]

I think you are gonna define it however you want. And i dont disagree this is awful and almost inexcusable. But leach won 1 fewer game than wuff did in his last year and averaged 9 fewer ppg. Stoops went 2-10 (same as Jokers last year) and 0-8 in conference. He may have gotten fired if not for a 50 yd fg against us as time expired in his 4th year