Whipple Offense/Frost Offense
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tons of heavy analysis in that link, thanks for posting!
little tidbits
some interesting tidbits on how he aligns the tackles to one side, and puts a TE in the opposing tackle spot, giving an advantage to one side for running, and the other for passing to the TE who is still eligible.
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Yeah- great info in this one.
One thing that really stood out is how Whipple used fast tempo twice as much as Frost last year (41% vs 22%) and contrasted with Frost using slow tempo 48% vs Whipple’s 13%.
This is compounded by Nebraska playing more from behind during the stretch of games analyzed, while Pitt played more with a lead- if I read that correctly.
Frost certainly abandoned his claim upon arrival of wanting to play fast. Whip’s gonna show him what all gas no brakes really looks like.
Another interesting note was how often Nebraska used “max protect” (7 blockers) 14.5% vs Pitt’s 6%.
This may be related to other scheme elements like more play action, or compensating for poor OL play.
One thing that really stood out is how Whipple used fast tempo twice as much as Frost last year (41% vs 22%) and contrasted with Frost using slow tempo 48% vs Whipple’s 13%.
This is compounded by Nebraska playing more from behind during the stretch of games analyzed, while Pitt played more with a lead- if I read that correctly.
Frost certainly abandoned his claim upon arrival of wanting to play fast. Whip’s gonna show him what all gas no brakes really looks like.
Another interesting note was how often Nebraska used “max protect” (7 blockers) 14.5% vs Pitt’s 6%.
This may be related to other scheme elements like more play action, or compensating for poor OL play.
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Frost’s offense with AM may be the only one in history that devolved with more experience
Electric bicycle his frosh year, training wheels with daddy holding the handle bars his senior year
the stats you referenced are entirely the result of being forced into playing to AM’s extremely limited “strengths” (the bed Frost made)
the Benjamin Button offense
I love how it pointed out how Whipple likes to repeat play calls that are working over and over again until proven they can be stopped.
Would be a huge departure from Frosts tendency to finally call a killer play and then not again until maybe 2-3 whole GAMES later. Get welcome change if that ends up actually being the case here!
Would be a huge departure from Frosts tendency to finally call a killer play and then not again until maybe 2-3 whole GAMES later. Get welcome change if that ends up actually being the case here!
I like the offense philosophy if they can't stop it, "run it till the cows come home." That's what Barney Cotton or somebody said when they were getting ready to play NU.
Agree, it was mind numbing when SF did that.
You guys do realize, the faster we play the more exposed the D will get and the more points they will give up right?
SF slowing the game down, eating more clock helped his buddy Chin put up decent D numbers as it shortened the game and our D was on the field less.
If Whipple plays fast, along w our D line woes, it will likely be a disaster for us.
We will end up in shootouts, and as we showed last year when opposing teams absolutely needed to score to beat us, they did like almost 100% of the time as it was.
Now they won't be scoring just to beat us, they will be scoring to pad their leads on us.
SF slowing the game down, eating more clock helped his buddy Chin put up decent D numbers as it shortened the game and our D was on the field less.
If Whipple plays fast, along w our D line woes, it will likely be a disaster for us.
We will end up in shootouts, and as we showed last year when opposing teams absolutely needed to score to beat us, they did like almost 100% of the time as it was.
Now they won't be scoring just to beat us, they will be scoring to pad their leads on us.
When you have a worthless trash OL which was the worst in school history, you cannot successfully run the tempo Frost wants. The only time in Frost's tenure that we saw the tempo he wanted to run or close to it was when Vedral took over after Martinez got hurt and before he got hurt himself. The reason UCF was so good at it was their OL was outstanding and gave Milton every opportunity to succeed and also allowed him to operate Frost's tempo.
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When you have a worthless trash brain you convince yourself incredibly incorrect opinions like this are worth posting over and over and over
Frost forced himself into having to compensate for a quarterback who is incapable of even remedial play because he put the feelings of the biggest loser in NU history before the needs of the team.
hope your new kstate gear fits, dunce
You do realize playing with tempo while also not gifting the ball to the opponent more than once/game should lead to more points for the good guys, right?
now that the biggest loser ever to set foot in Lincoln is gone things will look a lot better on offense.
So the same OL has "outstanding" lines at UCF and was fired at Nebraska. Do yourself a favor and watch the UCF games and OL specifically. They were NOT outstanding.
As for pace, there is another way it can work. Get out to a quick start and actually score early. The opposition then may panic a bit feeling they have to change their game plan to get back in the game. In other words, get them to do what they don't want to do.
Back in the early 70's playing lowly 8 man FB we had the ability to audible and play fast. It worked well for HS but we couldn't use it all the time. The drawback was the QB had to think very quickly and make the calls clearly which we didn't have. Imagine having an entire playback in your head trying to pull one out. Then every player needs to be able to hear the call and in the college game, adjust line blocking and WR routes among other things. If you don't leave it to the QB then you just call 2 or 3 calls ahead so you just line up and run them.
Of course there is fast and really fast. Fast can come back and haunt you. A HS I worked at, one day the HC who was a passing kind of guy got into it with D coordinator. The HC wanted to play fast and throw the ball and would often run 3 plays and use like 20 seconds which infuriated the D coordinator.
As for pace, there is another way it can work. Get out to a quick start and actually score early. The opposition then may panic a bit feeling they have to change their game plan to get back in the game. In other words, get them to do what they don't want to do.
Back in the early 70's playing lowly 8 man FB we had the ability to audible and play fast. It worked well for HS but we couldn't use it all the time. The drawback was the QB had to think very quickly and make the calls clearly which we didn't have. Imagine having an entire playback in your head trying to pull one out. Then every player needs to be able to hear the call and in the college game, adjust line blocking and WR routes among other things. If you don't leave it to the QB then you just call 2 or 3 calls ahead so you just line up and run them.
Of course there is fast and really fast. Fast can come back and haunt you. A HS I worked at, one day the HC who was a passing kind of guy got into it with D coordinator. The HC wanted to play fast and throw the ball and would often run 3 plays and use like 20 seconds which infuriated the D coordinator.
So then it just brings us back to, teams only needing to score at the end to beat us...(which they were able to do whenever they wanted to at a 99.9% clip last year)..pretty much whenever they HAD to score to win..they did and our D didnt stop them.
So 4-7 or 5-8 then?
Did he f**k a Betty Crocker donut?Did Greg Austin?
I have no idea. Maybe.
we got stops in the middle of games only to watch our inept quarterback produce nothing for long stretches of time and eventually give the ball to the other team
if we're up by more than 1 score at the end of games, who cares?
We not gonna get as many stops in the middle of games is the entire point. Our D gonna take a step back from last year. AKA we missing a big guy upfront. (Among other things).
Now with teams going to get more offensive possessions, they are likely to score even more cuz they are going to have more time to do so and us making fewer stops. Aka teams score more points.
maybe we'll be better on defense without the constant short fields via AM + ST disasters?
Mmmm its not like we had a shank punt each game...it was only a couple times the whole year that we had a bad punt that put the D in a bad spot or a short field.
The O stalling deep is what leads to more short fields for the D on avg.
I think some of u will be surprised that the upgrade of CT over AM may not be as big as u think if our Oline doesn't get fixed, and play better than it did last yr.
Counterpoint: AM also ate a lot of sacks by holding the ball forever.
But yeah, both statements I think are true honestly.
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