which program would you prefer bites the dust. UNC/ UL Poll

[.S&C.]

So, you get to pick.

Louisville gets probation, scholarship reductions, Rick fired, but they keep the banner. UNC loses at least one title.

Or.

Lousiville loses the 2013 banner, UNC keeps theirs and gets scholarship reductions and some probation.

Curious to see where everyone here is at. UK fans only. List your reasoning.

 

[VAWildcat15]

Whatever scenario is worse for UNC is better for us in my mind. Louisville is just a city school in the same state as Kentucky and poses no threat to us, historically or otherwise. UNC is much higher up on the college basketball totem pole. There is actually a segment of the population who believes they are a superior program to us. In short, UNC matters more.

 

[.S&C.]

Whatever scenario is worse for UNC is better for us in my mind. Louisville is just a city school in the same state as Kentucky and poses no threat to us, historically or otherwise. UNC is much higher up on the college basketball totem pole. There is actually a segment of the population who believes they are a superior program to us. In short, UNC matters more.

I can see that. I chose Lousiville because I would enjoy ricks only real success being at UK, thus pissing off that fanbase and proving you can't do there what you can do here.

 

[westerncat]

Guess I am stingy I want both to get hammered .

 

[.S&C.]

Guess I am stingy I want both to get hammered .

So far UNC up big. I guess there goes the theory of UL fans that they're somehow big brothers super bowl. [laughing]

 

[fs-ripcord65]

Contrary to the belief of about 10% of basketball fans in Kentucky, there are really very few people, nationally, who view U. of L. as one of the premier college basketball programs. However, EVERYBODY views UNCheat as one of the premier programs, and that has been the case for decades. Plus . . . the UNC cheating has gone on for much longer, and has clearly had a more certain impact upon their W-L record each year.

Frankly, although the nature of the scandal at U. of L. is more morally revolting than the academic cheating scandal at UNC, I think the UNCheat situation is a far, far more serious situation, in the context of whether or not the NCAA is a meaningful, substantive institution in the realm of college basketball, and in terms of whether UNC and other similar violators will pay the price -- or not.

 

[VAWildcat15]

I can see that. I chose Lousiville because I would enjoy ricks only real success being at UK, thus pissing off that fanbase and proving you can't do there what you can do here.

I can see that too. I think both answers are fair.

One thing for me is that I'm not from Kentucky and had never set foot in the state until my college visit senior year of high school. UNC tends to move the radar a lot more out of the state and to be honest I didn't even know the extent to which UK and UL were rivals before I showed up in Lexington. I think a lot of the out of state crowd will pick UNC for the "moving the radar" factor, which Louisville can only truly do by winning the NCAAT, while UK or UNC do that simply by fielding teams.

 

[johnnyflcat4life]

The beauty of it is, with what they are both accused of I don't think we will have to choose.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[catfanlou]

UNC has the worst scandal in the history of sports and is trying to use influence like John Skipper pres of ESPN to dodge any responsibility. If they don't get the maximum anyone has ever gotten the NCAA should be disbanded. Remember . While others such as us and UL have cooperated UNC has fought the NCAA with huge fees paid to PR firms and legal firms to attempt to spin the impossible. Therefore their penalty should be double what it would otherwise be. 18 years of corruption. over 3000 students . the adminstrators had to know. Including Swofford who was at UNC and is now head of the ACC and will do his part to try and minimize it.

This one is not even close UNC

 

[kybassfan]

NC has made a mockery of academics and student athletics.

 

[ukalum_rivals311718]

Believe it or not, I think what UL did does even belong in the same universe with the happenings at UNC. But I would want UNC to lose more than 1 banner; they should lose both the 05 and the 09 banners and vacate all the wins. UL's players would have been eligible without squirtgate. UNC's players would not have been eligible without the decades of academic fraud.

 

[Jkwo_rivals113955]

Whatever scenario is worse for UNC is better for us in my mind. Louisville is just a city school in the same state as Kentucky and poses no threat to us, historically or otherwise. UNC is much higher up on the college basketball totem pole. There is actually a segment of the population who believes they are a superior program to us. In short, UNC matters more.

Nailed it for me.

Louisville has lucked out in a supreme way by having its two best coaches back-to-back, uninterrupted, and that's been their last few decades. And even after all that, they still couldn't crack the top 6 programs.

Even if the program wasn't about to be hit with probation, there's no way they'd be able to match Rick (a top 5/10 coach) with their next hire.

And now that they're known as little brothel, their options are going to be way more limited. Their rapid ascension on the back of HOFers is now going to come to a plateau.

UNC, on the other hand, was catching up to us in terms of overall history, they were the "sexy program" for the last two generations growing up, they have the easiest time recruiting, and it was always seen as the best HC job in D1, the only one better than the UK job.


In short, Louisville doesn't matter that much. If you live outside Kentucky and its neighboring states, a lot of people don't even know the University of Louisville exists. People up here in the Boston area hear that I'm a UK fan, and they ask who our rival is, and then typically haven't heard of UL.

I tell them that's where Pitino went to rot, and that's all they know of it now.



UNC always matters. As much as they've made a joke of their "Carolina way" crap and all that is good and holy, they are as important to CBB as we are. So take 'em down a peg.

 

[BBUK_anon]

Which one gets to bite the dust?

Yes...

 

[Bungalow Bill]

Carolina's cheating is so much worse than hookergate. They were cheating for at least 20 years in which they won close to 600 games and 3 NC's. That should all be erased. Just no comparison no matter that I dislike UL a lot more.

 

[DDS62]

Believe it or not, I think what UL did does even belong in the same universe with the happenings at UNC. But I would want UNC to lose more than 1 banner; they should lose both the 05 and the 09 banners and vacate all the wins. UL's players would have been eligible without squirtgate. UNC's players would not have been eligible without the decades of academic fraud.

Exactly. Why would the UofL players be classified as ineligible for sex activities. If the NCAA did that likely all players could be found ineligible. Clearly Uof L's crimes are in line for punishment - for creating an environment of morally reprehensible behavior for students and the UofL program should be shut down. But finding the players ineligible and taking away wins is punishment that does not fit the crime. UNC however pandered in an system of fraud and clearly won games and even championships by playing completely ineligible players. Hence UNC should have both the program shut down and wins and championships removed. And I will not be surprised if none of the above ever happens.

 

[Jkwo_rivals113955]

squirtgate

Oh, yes.

 

[mdlUK.1]

ul and it ain't close!!!!

 

[warrior-cat]

Like Coleman on Trading Places when ask for Crab or Lobster for lunch. "Can't we have both"

 

[BIGBLUE402]

I would probably choose UL if the series was More competitive but good or bad we own them, unless were a NIT team and they are a national title contender or if our program is coach by a drunk.

 

[BoulderCat_rivals187983]

Given your presumption I picked UNC. I really think given the serious, institutional level, long standing cheating they deserve worse. UL's problem is scandalous, but not nearly as systemic as UNC's, at least IMO.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

UL is completely disgusting in a seedy motel parking lot sort of way... but c'mon man, UNC deserves this way more than any other school ever has. Whatever the worst thing the NCAA has ever done to a school, then it needs to be upped one level if UNC is to receive proper justice.

Bury them.