Which Group Do You Fall Into?

Backer cutter

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This is a write in poll:

A.) Sunshine Pumpers
B.) Negative Nancies
C.) it’s just a game, not emotionally-invested either way.
D.) it’s just a game, not emotionally-invested either way, and the people that are need harder jobs or a distraction.

“Group” me wherever you want, I don’t care. I’m sick of this brand of so called basketball. If that’s a group, that’s where I’m at.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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As a UK fan, I'm looking for 3 things, a team that is fun to watch, a team the state has a connection to, and a team that wins at the highest level. If you get all 3, that's great, but I expect 2 out of the 3, and I would be OK with 1 out of the 3 for short periods of time. 0 out of 3 for any real amount of time, and I ready for a new coach or the coach to fix the problem.

I have pride in the accomplishments of UK basketball, but they aren't then reason I watch or am a fan. I am a fan because I grew up watching them and cheering them on as a representative of the state. And to be honest, those three things have set the legacy of every coach, but speaking specifically to the ones during the prime of my life, Pitino was a great coach for UK because during his post-probation years, he played a fun style, recruited some players from the area, and won at the highest level. Tubby's first teams were fun, had some connection to the players from around the area, and they won at a pretty high level. As his career went on, the fun stopped, the connections got slim, and then he quit winning at the highest level. Billy G did none of the things mentioned, and lasted a whole 2 years. When Cal started, there was some connection to the team, he played a fun style, and won at the highest level. Grumblings started as the connections started going away, but he was still great because overall the teams were fun, and he won at the highest level. Since 2015, we have had very little connection to the team, only a couple of them were even fun to watch, and while still winning at a high level, you aren't winning at the highest level.

Cal's on court success isn't even really the problem, as all coaches go through down swings, and honestly Cal's down swing is better than most coaches up swing. But he has made it to where the fans have no connection to the team, and his teams aren't fun to watch either. So why do fans even still care or tune in?? Because we are fans, and we root for the team. We may get emotional, and say things we shouldn't, but that is really part of being a fan. If you aren't going to win at the highest level (Final Fours and Titles), then at least play a fun style, and give the fans some connection to the team (recruiting area players, and not just to sit the bench). There are players in our area every year that could play minutes at UK, but we don't go after them.

Most fans aren't upset about a dip in success over the last few years, as most understand these things come and go and winning at the highest level is hard. Most are upset because it is becoming laborious to watch games. And just so we are clear, Cal could coach a team to put up similar success as his last few teams while having players from the area, and being more fun to watch. I'd sacrifice the fun part for more success, but why should I sacrifice everything??

And if you wanna work on generational poverty, go over to Eastern Kentucky and work a little magic there. Not sure why you would promote changing generational poverty for a family who has an athlete that is likely going to change that status whether they come here or not. Let's work on the generational poverty for families that don't have star athletes, or another means of changing their financial direction.

excellent post
 
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liveblue92

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In fact, no, Tubby was not run off. Legally, figuratively or otherwise. That is pure crap and anyone with a brain knows it. Cal's buyout is well over 20 million. No way Kentucky is going to touch that. I also doubt whiney malcontents like you are going to do it either. So essentially, you are barking. As far as boot licking, the only one with dirt on their tongue here is you. These are just facts. Indisputable.

Basically you are arguing irrelevant semantics regarding Tubby, and making no valid points about Cal but to say “He will be here regardless of how ****** he performs. Get used to it buddy”.

You sound like a boot licking, hall monitor type. Cal is not the end all be all of Kentucky Basketball. A lifetime contract is poor economics. If he left, we might get a worse coach for awhile, but eventually we’ll be back with a home run when the opportunity arrives.
 

CatsIndy2010

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E) Realizing that a successful season is returning good players to make a run in the ncaa tourney next season. Dropping the team for the NBA is good for the player personally but makes no since for collegiate basketball.

And it is obvious that a top of the class recruit out of high school, lacks the experience and focus of a 2nd year or 3rd year or 4th year college athlete. This holds true unless you're thinking of someone with the type of talent of kobe or lebron....
 

kybassfan

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Basically you are arguing irrelevant semantics regarding Tubby, and making no valid points about Cal but to say “He will be here regardless of how ****** he performs. Get used to it buddy”.

You sound like a boot licking, hall monitor type. Cal is not the end all be all of Kentucky Basketball. A lifetime contract is poor economics. If he left, we might get a worse coach for awhile, but eventually we’ll be back with a home run when the opportunity arrives.

Semantics? That’s crap. The University didn’t have to pay his buyout. Further, he put them in a mess. Bottom line he was not run off except in the imaginations of some very twisted and pathetic people.

Cal’s buyout leaves him here till he decides to go. It’s just a fact. No bootlicking involved. I think all you can see is boot because you have your head in the sand. It’s clear you struggle to deal in facts.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Basically you are arguing irrelevant semantics regarding Tubby, and making no valid points about Cal but to say “He will be here regardless of how ****** he performs. Get used to it buddy”.

You sound like a boot licking, hall monitor type. Cal is not the end all be all of Kentucky Basketball. A lifetime contract is poor economics. If he left, we might get a worse coach for awhile, but eventually we’ll be back with a home run when the opportunity arrives.
He admitted to being with BCG and Tubby up until and through them leaving/fired from UK.

He clearly is with the coach no matter how far they make UK slip....
 

*CatinIL*

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And if you wanna work on generational poverty, go over to Eastern Kentucky and work a little magic there. Not sure why you would promote changing generational poverty for a family who has an athlete that is likely going to change that status whether they come here or not. Let's work on the generational poverty for families that don't have star athletes, or another means of changing their financial direction.

👍👍👍 I wish I could like this a 100 times! Well stated.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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how about an option for being a fan that gives praise when doing well and is negative when under performing or playing bad?

in the modern game Cal's flaws are crippling........ his inability to coach shooting and good offense ...... his team building (poisitionless basketball in college is shotless basketball because the unicorns that can shoot well and have all the other tools are like 1 or 2 a class and thats it, not 5 thats needed) its pointless to strive for that every year. his wanting defense at the detriment of offense ( 2 bigs that neither have 3pt range to effectively clear out the lane for drives to the basket and having 3 or more non shooters in a lineup) is making the team the opposite of fun to watch and allows us to lose to inferior opponents way too often since the rule changes and such in the off season after our wisconsin loss

I've been hoping for Cal to get assistants that made up for his flaws and Cal would approach the preseason differently so we would stop getting embarrassed in the early season...... but no , instead we dont break the bank for Payne like we did for Marrow and the staff got much worse coaching wise for it. 0 offensive minds on staff, its all defense and recruiting.
 

LadyCaytIL

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also there is 0 reason not to have either a few worthy Ky boys or 4 year shooters as your 10-13th roster members. If Pitino at UK could dominate college ball using them as role players then there is no excuse for Cal not to be able to lean on them when the athletes are failing to score.


also how is the fan base supposed to be attached to UK when every damn player we have fumbles over themselves to GTFO and transfer, leave as a 2nd rounder or undrafted ?
 
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liveblue92

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Semantics? That’s crap. The University didn’t have to pay his buyout. Further, he put them in a mess. Bottom line he was not run off except in the imaginations of some very twisted and pathetic people.

Cal’s buyout leaves him here till he decides to go. It’s just a fact. No bootlicking involved. I think all you can see is boot because you have your head in the sand. It’s clear you struggle to deal in facts.

What facts are being left out? Tubby underperformed, the fans became disgruntled, Tubby bolted for a worse job when the pressure mounted. I have nothing but respect for Tubby, but it got to be too much for him. That’s the same future I see for Calipari on the current trajectory. I’m not married to ANY coach at UK. You have to perform to continue to sit in that chair, and lifetime contracts offer no incentive to perform.
 

kybassfan

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What facts are being left out? Tubby underperformed, the fans became disgruntled, Tubby bolted for a worse job when the pressure mounted. I have nothing but respect for Tubby, but it got to be too much for him. That’s the same future I see for Calipari on the current trajectory. I’m not married to ANY coach at UK. You have to perform to continue to sit in that chair, and lifetime contracts offer no incentive to perform.

The fact that he was NOT run off. Had he chosen to remain, would have been welcomed back by the administration. You contention otherwise is nothing more than fostering disinformation which is consistent with the Cal and Tubby hating contingent. Lacking a preponderance of factual evidence they cherry pick info, fabricate details and lie about the rest. I am simply drawing the facts on the table. Tubby was NOT run off. Tubby was NOT FIRED. Period. You will be unable to refute either assertion.
 

KyFaninNC

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In fact, no, Tubby was not run off. Legally, figuratively or otherwise. That is pure crap and anyone with a brain knows it. Cal's buyout is well over 20 million. No way Kentucky is going to touch that. I also doubt whiney malcontents like you are going to do it either. So essentially, you are barking. As far as boot licking, the only one with dirt on their tongue here is you. These are just facts. Indisputable.
You ever going to answer those questions I asked?
 
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liveblue92

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The fact that he was NOT run off. Had he chosen to remain, would have been welcomed back by the administration. You contention otherwise is nothing more than fostering disinformation which is consistent with the Cal and Tubby hating contingent. Lacking a preponderance of factual evidence they cherry pick info, fabricate details and lie about the rest. I am simply drawing the facts on the table. Tubby was NOT run off. Tubby was NOT FIRED. Period. You will be unable to refute either assertion.

What you are arguing makes no sense. Tubby was obviously in way over his head.He missed the tournament and left for safer pastures because the fanbase had had enough. Sure, maybe Mitch wasn’t going to fire him, but the fans were mostly done with him.
 

kybassfan

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What you are arguing makes no sense. Tubby was obviously in way over his head.He missed the tournament and left for safer pastures because the fanbase had had enough. Sure, maybe Mitch wasn’t going to fire him, but the fans were mostly done with him.

You said he was run off. Fact of the matter he was not run off. Disinformation on your part.
 

DraftCat

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During the Cal era I've personally stopped caring about the regular season except for maybe the Louisville game.

March Madness still brings out the juices however.
 

liveblue92

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During the Cal era I've personally stopped caring about the regular season except for maybe the Louisville game.

March Madness still brings out the juices however.

Pretty lame to only have a 3 week long basketball season (assuming we make it to the final weekend).
 

UKortho

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You ever going to answer those questions I asked?
I suppose he is not. I have been waiting also. Based on all of his posts I believe you are correct. He has his profile locked so you can’t really look into it.
 

kybassfan

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You ever going to answer those questions I asked?

Yawn. I pretty much ignore your posts as they are vacuous and have been for years. Sometimes I get bored though. What inane nonsense were you babbling about this time?
 

DraftCat

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Pretty lame to only have a 3 week long basketball season (assuming we make it to the final weekend).

I watch a lot of NBA and still watch every UK game. I just don't get the adrenaline rush for each game anymore. If I get it... it's in the playoffs.