Ok. If you say so. I saw it. Others did too. Takes some digging lol. Fact is, we’re in a mess. Hopefully we come out of it. That’s what we all want, right?
Where's Morg?
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He has warned us over the past few years that he puts the players 1st before UK and winning games. No one said he was trying to burn the program down but UK has lost the all time win since Calipari has been here and warned us how bad of a in game coach he was. He has turned out to be true on that point. And warned us that Calipari was all about himself and not the school or fanbase,
He got called up to the Pirates.
Well no one knows that for sure. He might have said it, and you might have followed along.. doesn't make it true. As for being a bad in game coach, I'd love to see when Morg first said that. Because he seemed to be just fine for Memphis and UMass as an in game coach. If anyone here called Cal a bad "in game" coach before 2015, that would have been impressive.
Aa for players-first.. What I THINK is that Cal found a business model that he could satisfy both. He could put the players first, which would draw them in and help him win titles for the school and the fanbase. It was a model that worked extremely well and he was able to use one to help the other. I mean, it's hard to deny this model wasn't cooking in those early years..
He has only won on title here at UK and he is not doing it for the school or for the fanbase. That business model as you call it has not been working that great lately.
He’s definitely doing nothing for the school. What’s his job?
I know many people who said Cal was a bad in game coach well before 2015.
He definitely said the stuff about trying to burn the program to the ground on countless occasions. You can search it. This is one example.
Regarding the other stuff....OAD is his strategy and for the most part it was wildly successful when he got elite talent. At this point it has been years since he got those kinds of guys in mass (until this class). I don't think it is a matter of Cal not caring about UK and the fans. Cal hasn't changed, his results have...period, IMHO. His quirks and comments have been going on for years, they were Cal just being Cal when he was winning, but losing and it pisses people off.
Oh it was cooking, no doubt. Not sure if was the model he imagined though. I choose to believe Fox. Nonetheless, he is finished. It’s plain man.
I got news for you.. we will be lucky to get 1-title every 10 years at the rate the sport is going. Never understood why people expect otherwise. Truth be told, Cal's Final4's and title appearances STILL make his tenure here a net positive in my book.. The problem is, again, it's a tale of two halves.. and this 2nd half is not only down, but I don't see it getting better.
Still 4 final4's in 13 years? I'll take it. I'll take that for the next coach as well.
I think Calipari was lucky to win that title and that was because of Davis. Players like that don't come around to often.
Just my opinion but I always thought Cal's objective were two fold. Getting players draft and WINNING college basketball games. I guess one could make an argument if he had to choose he would prioritize the first part but I think the two objectives go hand in hand and always will.
The lack of winning recently doesn't change the fact it's still an objective tho.
Yeah Cal talks about getting players draft. He's also made comments about wanting to have undefeated seasons and wanting to catch UCLA in titles. It seems like people just remember the players part and forget everything else.
The lack of winning recently doesn't change the fact it's still an objective tho.
Yeah Cal talks about getting players draft. He's also made comments about wanting to have undefeated seasons and wanting to catch UCLA in titles. It seems like people just remember the players part and forget everything else.
I don't agree with that. It's not like Anthony davis was averaging 22ppg. Generally when a coach wins a title, he has a pretty good team he's working with.
CCC and his dumbass stall ball strategy tried to piss that game away like all his other Final Four Failures.
For a largely boring board like this one, Morg is worth his weight in gold. Why? He makes interesting posts.
I guarantee he brings more value to the forum than whoever got him banned and whoever banned him.
I guarantee he brings more value to the forum than whoever got him banned and whoever banned him.
Cal has always been called out for his poor in game coaching. Even Jim Rome called him out for it.
Heck, when he was at Memphis, we used to talk about how Cal "just rolled the balls out".
I thought everyone knew this. Cal's reputation has always been that he is an extremely weak in game coach and player developer.
I do love his hatred for all things Tennessee football. I can get behind that.
Yeah I never mistook his X's and O's as a strong part of his game.. But I didn't think it was BAD.. or at least, certainly not as void as it is now. I think it's fair to say he was better back then, for whatever reason.
And that's why he has value haha. He is an unapologetic *******, and I can get behind those types..
We'll have to agree to disagree on the part where you said Cal has not changed. He is an extremely far cry from the guy he was in 2009. "I can't hide you" has turned into "I don't want to take his heart".
Not only that, but there is no way 2009 Cal would have let Shaedon Sharpe pull what he pulled and there is no way 2009 Cal goes to war with the fanbase the way he has the last few years.
He used to win all the games he was supposed to win, now, we fear every game we play, mid major opponent or not.
Meant with how he interacts with fans, stuff he says. Basketball bennies, etc.
The game changed and further exposed him for what he truly is and those that called him out in his Memphis days, saw what the untrained eyes didn’t.
Villanova, uNC, UConn and duke had no problem winning multiple titles in 10 years, we're supposed to be the pinnacle of college basketball and we're an embarrassment.
But look at the talent Cal has had. Look at the NBA right now, those ex UK players are balling out and Cal had all of them come through the program on his watch.
Yeah, one title in 10 years is damn good, but when you consider the top end talent Cal has had, you can't defend the results.
All cal love/hate aside……Morg is a dick. He thinks he’s better than everyone else. He has reminded us of his college degrees over and over. He called everyone on here basic McDonald’s workers who didn’t understand contracts. He also compared himself Louis vettton instead of target brand. He’s full of himself. I don’t like people like that.
Jim Rome is an idiot that got beat by Jim Everett. Calipari is in the hall of fame because he can coach. Ask people that know coaching, and they say he can coach. Ask Jim Rome anything and he is generally wrong. No one that knows basketball says Cal can't coach. Fans that are pissed because we've had some bad seasons say it, but no one that understands basketball says he can't coach.
Everyone on this board bitches about every commentator and every talk show host, but they use them as fuel to say "see even XXXX says Cal can't coach". If they are idiots when they say things you don't like, they are idiots when they say things you do like.
You think Cal is in the HOF for his coaching??? Ohhhh boy.
Why else is he in the Coach's Hall of Fame. I know you will say recruiting, but look at the teams he took to final fours before UK. Camby and and Rose, but what else. They guy can coach. You just don't like the way he coaches. I'm fairly certain, without really doing much research, that the Naismith Hall of Fame voters know more about this than jyjeff1. But I'm just guessing.
Man, I wish some of you would listen to some of the sh@t you say. Cal has his faults like any coach but to say he didn’t have anything to do with winning the title is dumb. You say it’s because of Anthony Davis. That’s a lazy narrative. You do realize MKG was the number 2 pick in the NBA Draft right behind AD right? Why don’t you say Cal got lucky because he had the #2 overall pick MKG? Or why don’t you say Cal got lucky because he had a 1st round #29 draft pick at PG (Teague). Or Cal got lucky because he had the 1st round #18 draft pick (Terrence Jones)? Stop with the dumb talk.
Why else is he in the Coach's Hall of Fame. I know you will say recruiting, but look at the teams he took to final fours before UK. Camby and and Rose, but what else. They guy can coach. You just don't like the way he coaches. I'm fairly certain, without really doing much research, that the Naismith Hall of Fame voters know more about this than jyjeff1. But I'm just guessing.
It's just a testament that some don't really expect greatness from our program, which is fine, but we're no gold standard. UConn has won 5 titles with three head coaches since 1999. UNC has won 3 titles in that span. Duke has won 3. Kansas has won 2 since 2008. Villanova and Florida both have multiple titles.
We're just one of many great programs. We're not the best. Not anymore. Cal's literally pushed us off that mountain. We're just one program in the pack of about 6 great programs. For some fans, that's perfectly fine. For most of us, it's not. Like you said, part of the heartbreak has come from all the close losses Cal has endured with superior talent in the NCAA Tournament. No one this side of Dean Smith has done less with more.
Jeez man. This isn’t hard. He’s in the HOF for 3 reasons:
1) UK gave him the stage
2) he has put a ton of dudes in the pros
3) He's been coaching D1 ball for 40 years
There's nothing he did from the bench that impressed anyone and you acting like he had nobody on those UMass and Memphis FF teams, is laughable.
We laugh at Dean Smith and talk about how he did less with more, but Cal takes the cake in that department.
Bro, you usually have good counter-points when debating anything Calipari. But you fell short using the Jim Rome reference. I mean think about it, a sports reporter makes an observation is good and all but his opinion is simply that, an opinion. If you’re gonna use Rome’s assessment of Cal as gospel, then you should have no problem using someone who played college basketball, was an assistant coach under Coach K and is currently the top college basketball analyst on ESPN, Jay Bilas. He stated Cal is a great coach. So does legitimize Cal in the same manner you said Rome did?
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