Where things stand

Jhollenbeck41

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I'm making this an actual thread because I feel like there can be a constructive conversation out of this instead of stupid bitching and moaning about things a current 4 win program is doing....

Alright, here is my complete and total opinion on everything that is Nebraska Football right now. Frost signed a 7 year deal. I don't think he should be seriously judged AT ALL until the end of year 5. I don't think any of his assistants should be judged AT ALL until the end of next year, and then serious evaluations can be made. I also believe that Frost will be here as long as he wants to be here. I believe there are two standards to Nebraska Football: 1. Tom Osborne/Scott Frost standard of excellence here at Nebraska. and 2. Every other coach that has been here in the mean time. I believe that the upper classmen that we have playing, basically the majority of the starters everywhere, are mentally soft because they were recruited by a mentally soft and low standard for Nebraska coach in Mike Riley. Say what you want about that, it's just my opinion. I don't think those players will ever be able to able to compete at the level that Frost wants because of how high he holds his Nebraska standards. They're just soft and don't have "it". I also believe that's where the "culture" and "buy-in" problem there in lies. They're just too soft. And that's okay, just not here.

We've all seen the blueprint for how this is supposed to/will work. It's going to be Tom Osborne's Nebraska program, mixed with Oregon speed. On and off the field, that's what it is. I believe Frost is a very honest person and tells it like it is. Some people don't want to hear that though because they're pissed off about the product on the field so they want to find anything and everything to ***** at, even if there's nothing there. I believe that the older generation on here have seen this thing at its absolute best and that's most likely why they're the most critical. But keep in mind that Frost is also in that same boat so he's probably just as mad, if not more mad, than that population on here. I think the younger generation, myself has more patience because average to below average Nebraska Football is all we really know and can remember clearly. I understand the point of this board is to be able to talk freely and express their opinions and that's completely okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I don't think 85% of this board has the mental football capacity to even be able to have the honor to hold Frost's 20 year old jock strap, yet think they have the answers to make us title contenders right now.

For recruiting: If everyone is being completely honest with themselves right now, it doesn't matter that we're Nebraska and we were great once, we have the talent, attitude, and mental capacity to win 4-6 games right now. And realistically, we're a few plays away and one game of hesitant OT play calling away from being 7-2 and the narrative being completely different. Sorry guys, but tough to pull a bunch of 4-5 star kids away from the SEC if you're only winning 4 games a year right now. Not hard math to do. But that's where execution from current players comes into play there. Execute the way we're supposed to on a handful of plays, and recruiting is going much better. Big picture. There tiers of recruiting/players we have to go through to keep making progress. And right now, we're at the 3-4 star player and 4-6, maybe 7 win type of recruit tier right now. But guess what, Frost isn't walking on the field as a player anymore. So he can give Adrian the best possible play there is in the playbook, and if Adrian doesn't execute, fumbles, throws a pick, hesitant, whatever, who cares who the coach is? That's simply him not executing.

Last, we all know what we want. Realistic or not, we want Frost to bring back the 90s. We do. It's fine, I'll say what everyone else is thinking. And, sadly, we expect it. Because that's where he's from, that's what he did. And it'll happen, but it'll take time. People keep bringing up Minnesota and a change in DC and what not, but guess what? Minnesota didn't win 3/4 titles and didn't win almost 4/5. They didn't do what we did. Who gives a flying **** what Minnesota does. Minnesota will be an after thought in a few years.


That's my opinion.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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I wish we could just post 8-4 or 7-5 (hell even 6-6) as evidence of improvement in year 2 instead of having to compose a thesis as to why we are on the right track despite a likely historic 2nd straight losing season.
 

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instead of having to compose a PhD thesis as to why we are on the right track
I don't think that is what the OP was doing. But this ^^^^is kind of ironic thing for you to post, don't you think?
 
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redfanusa

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Where's the "a lot of teams would be happy to be 4-8 three years in a row" comment?
 

ridge222

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Here is the thing, this is an opinion board, and that is exactly what it is, peoples opinions. Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and they usually stink.

I think it is somewhat myopic to wait for 5 years to judge a coach. I understand why you say that, but when Frost took over the team, everyone on that team was a Frost player. No matter who recruited them. Kids want to buy-in, but that comes easier with results. The results just have not been there yet. Hopefully they will come because they program needs some positive mojo in the worst way.

I do think that both Frost and Riley completely underestimated what it takes to compete and win in the Big 10. I know I will probably get blasted for saying this, but I do think that Bo at least had some idea of what type of animal the Big 10 was since he played at Ohio State.

The hard part was trying to shift a recruiting focus from at Big 12 footprint to at Big 10 footprint. Nebraska really has never really had much of a presence in the Big 10 region and that is a tough ask to try and flip the script and become a recruiting force in the Ohio valley region. I say this because of the conversations I have had with coaches and former coaches. Even the ****** teams in the Big 10 are just flat out bigger and stronger than what you will find in the Pac-12 and for sure the AAC.

I think you are seeing especially this year, that backs and receivers that have worked for Frost in the AAC and Pac-12 are not going to cut it in the Big 10.

The tough pill to swallow for this year, was the fact that the schedule set up so well to make some hay, but it just has not materialized. I know there is a lot of patience that is being preached, but looking at the 2020 schedule, this team can not afford any slips ups early in the season. The first 7 games are all winnable, but Purdue to open the season and Cincinnati in the 4th game look to be trouble. The last 5 game stretch is brutal and Nebraska better have their **** together if they wan to avoid an 0-5 slide to end the season.

If nothing else it make for great drama to watch how this thing is going to play out over the next 3-4 years.
 

dand84

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Nothing wrong OP with expressing your opinion. You did it respectfully.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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: 1. Tom Osborne/Scott Frost standard of excellence here at Nebraska. and 2. Every other coach

I know it wasn't "excellent" enough for many - but one of the other coaches won 9 or more games every year and outright won or tied for the division greater than half the time he was here

if this record wasn't excellent enough - how long before we are expecting to win/tie for the division at a greater than 50% clip?

can't wait for this "standard of excellence" to be re instituted,
 
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leodisflowers

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Here is the thing, this is an opinion board, and that is exactly what it is, peoples opinions. Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and they usually stink.

I think it is somewhat myopic to wait for 5 years to judge a coach. I understand why you say that, but when Frost took over the team, everyone on that team was a Frost player. No matter who recruited them. Kids want to buy-in, but that comes easier with results. The results just have not been there yet. Hopefully they will come because they program needs some positive mojo in the worst way.

I do think that both Frost and Riley completely underestimated what it takes to compete and win in the Big 10. I know I will probably get blasted for saying this, but I do think that Bo at least had some idea of what type of animal the Big 10 was since he played at Ohio State.

The hard part was trying to shift a recruiting focus from at Big 12 footprint to at Big 10 footprint. Nebraska really has never really had much of a presence in the Big 10 region and that is a tough ask to try and flip the script and become a recruiting force in the Ohio valley region. I say this because of the conversations I have had with coaches and former coaches. Even the ****** teams in the Big 10 are just flat out bigger and stronger than what you will find in the Pac-12 and for sure the AAC.

I think you are seeing especially this year, that backs and receivers that have worked for Frost in the AAC and Pac-12 are not going to cut it in the Big 10.

The tough pill to swallow for this year, was the fact that the schedule set up so well to make some hay, but it just has not materialized. I know there is a lot of patience that is being preached, but looking at the 2020 schedule, this team can not afford any slips ups early in the season. The first 7 games are all winnable, but Purdue to open the season and Cincinnati in the 4th game look to be trouble. The last 5 game stretch is brutal and Nebraska better have their **** together if they wan to avoid an 0-5 slide to end the season.

If nothing else it make for great drama to watch how this thing is going to play out over the next 3-4 years.

Let's not build the Big 10 up as this monster of a conference. It is now getting there, but up until this point it has basically been Ohio State gap Wisconsin/Penn St gap and then basically everyone else. It is really now becoming a monster, but we like to go crazy on how much better it was than the Big 12 when that probably isn't the case. Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota are all just now getting some traction. They've been bad for a long time. Iowa is good, but would probably be like playing a Missouri for the most part.
 

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I know it wasn't "excellent" enough for many - but one of the other coaches won 9 or more games every year and outright won or tied for the division greater than half the time he was here

if this record wasn't excellent enough - how long before we are expecting to win/tie for the division at a greater than 50% clip? It looks like at around the 5 year mark

Shirley, you don't think it was his win/loss record that got him fired
 

CatColumbia

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Let's not build the Big 10 up as this monster of a conference. It is now getting there, but up until this point it has basically been Ohio State gap Wisconsin/Penn St gap and then basically everyone else. It is really now becoming a monster, but we like to go crazy on how much better it was than the Big 12 when that probably isn't the case. Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota are all just now getting some traction. They've been bad for a long time. Iowa is good, but would probably be like playing a Missouri for the most part.

That's the thing, the B10 offers more money so these lower tier teams are getting better coaches. Hell, even the Indiana coach knows what he's doing.
 

ridge222

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Let's not build the Big 10 up as this monster of a conference. It is now getting there, but up until this point it has basically been Ohio State gap Wisconsin/Penn St gap and then basically everyone else. It is really now becoming a monster, but we like to go crazy on how much better it was than the Big 12 when that probably isn't the case. Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota are all just now getting some traction. They've been bad for a long time. Iowa is good, but would probably be like playing a Missouri for the most part.

I hear what you are saying, and my point about the Big 10 is more about the fact of the size of the players. The Big 10 is still more of a RB, OL/DL based league. You don't have the amount of high level QB's and WR's in the Big 10 you see in the Pac-12 or more open offense conferences.

The Big 10 be it good or bad is line of scrimmage league. The amount of quality RB's and OL/DL you face in the Big 10 is on par with the SEC. Since Nebraska has been in the Big 10 they have faced RB's like Ball, Bell, Gordon, Elliott, Taylor, Barkley, Jackson.

When Nebraska came to the Big 10, most if not all of the Big 10 teams had no fear of Nebraska. They had not had their heads kicked in over decades like Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, Colorado and Okie State. Not only does Nebraska need to start beating the teams like Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana and Northwestern consistently then need to start beating the hell out of them.
 

Jhollenbeck41

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I hear what you are saying, and my point about the Big 10 is more about the fact of the size of the players. The Big 10 is still more of a RB, OL/DL based league. You don't have the amount of high level QB's and WR's in the Big 10 you see in the Pac-12 or more open offense conferences.

The Big 10 be it good or bad is line of scrimmage league. The amount of quality RB's and OL/DL you face in the Big 10 is on par with the SEC. Since Nebraska has been in the Big 10 they have faced RB's like Ball, Bell, Gordon, Elliott, Taylor, Barkley, Jackson.

When Nebraska came to the Big 10, most if not all of the Big 10 teams had no fear of Nebraska. They had not had their heads kicked in over decades like Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, Colorado and Okie State. Not only does Nebraska need to start beating the teams like Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana and Northwestern consistently then need to start beating the hell out of them.
Ya know something I've been thinking the last few weeks. That old school husker option offense would be absolutely perfect in the Big 10 now a days. I wonder 2 things: 1. If Frost's spread offense really gets hot in another few years once we get the weapons in and other things developed, do we see some more of that old Husker offense to either start the game to get opponents physically gassed and beat up, or at the end of games when we need to milk clock and step on their throats? and 2. If Frost's offense never really gets to that full potential like it did at UCF in a few years, would he pull out that old Osborne playbook and implement that option offense again because it's proven at Nebraska? Things I think about sometimes.
 

ridge222

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Ya know something I've been thinking the last few weeks. That old school husker option offense would be absolutely perfect in the Big 10 now a days. I wonder 2 things: 1. If Frost's spread offense really gets hot in another few years once we get the weapons in and other things developed, do we see some more of that old Husker offense to either start the game to get opponents physically gassed and beat up, or at the end of games when we need to milk clock and step on their throats? and 2. If Frost's offense never really gets to that full potential like it did at UCF in a few years, would he pull out that old Osborne playbook and implement that option offense again because it's proven at Nebraska? Things I think about sometimes.

I think it may be a good idea for Frost to try and pick Gus Malzahn's brain a little and see how he has gotten his offense to have some success in the SEC.
 
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I'm making this an actual thread because I feel like there can be a constructive conversation out of this instead of stupid bitching and moaning about things a current 4 win program is doing....

Alright, here is my complete and total opinion on everything that is Nebraska Football right now. Frost signed a 7 year deal. I don't think he should be seriously judged AT ALL until the end of year 5. I don't think any of his assistants should be judged AT ALL until the end of next year, and then serious evaluations can be made. I also believe that Frost will be here as long as he wants to be here. I believe there are two standards to Nebraska Football: 1. Tom Osborne/Scott Frost standard of excellence here at Nebraska. and 2. Every other coach that has been here in the mean time. I believe that the upper classmen that we have playing, basically the majority of the starters everywhere, are mentally soft because they were recruited by a mentally soft and low standard for Nebraska coach in Mike Riley. Say what you want about that, it's just my opinion. I don't think those players will ever be able to able to compete at the level that Frost wants because of how high he holds his Nebraska standards. They're just soft and don't have "it". I also believe that's where the "culture" and "buy-in" problem there in lies. They're just too soft. And that's okay, just not here.

We've all seen the blueprint for how this is supposed to/will work. It's going to be Tom Osborne's Nebraska program, mixed with Oregon speed. On and off the field, that's what it is. I believe Frost is a very honest person and tells it like it is. Some people don't want to hear that though because they're pissed off about the product on the field so they want to find anything and everything to ***** at, even if there's nothing there. I believe that the older generation on here have seen this thing at its absolute best and that's most likely why they're the most critical. But keep in mind that Frost is also in that same boat so he's probably just as mad, if not more mad, than that population on here. I think the younger generation, myself has more patience because average to below average Nebraska Football is all we really know and can remember clearly. I understand the point of this board is to be able to talk freely and express their opinions and that's completely okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I don't think 85% of this board has the mental football capacity to even be able to have the honor to hold Frost's 20 year old jock strap, yet think they have the answers to make us title contenders right now.

For recruiting: If everyone is being completely honest with themselves right now, it doesn't matter that we're Nebraska and we were great once, we have the talent, attitude, and mental capacity to win 4-6 games right now. And realistically, we're a few plays away and one game of hesitant OT play calling away from being 7-2 and the narrative being completely different. Sorry guys, but tough to pull a bunch of 4-5 star kids away from the SEC if you're only winning 4 games a year right now. Not hard math to do. But that's where execution from current players comes into play there. Execute the way we're supposed to on a handful of plays, and recruiting is going much better. Big picture. There tiers of recruiting/players we have to go through to keep making progress. And right now, we're at the 3-4 star player and 4-6, maybe 7 win type of recruit tier right now. But guess what, Frost isn't walking on the field as a player anymore. So he can give Adrian the best possible play there is in the playbook, and if Adrian doesn't execute, fumbles, throws a pick, hesitant, whatever, who cares who the coach is? That's simply him not executing.

Last, we all know what we want. Realistic or not, we want Frost to bring back the 90s. We do. It's fine, I'll say what everyone else is thinking. And, sadly, we expect it. Because that's where he's from, that's what he did. And it'll happen, but it'll take time. People keep bringing up Minnesota and a change in DC and what not, but guess what? Minnesota didn't win 3/4 titles and didn't win almost 4/5. They didn't do what we did. Who gives a flying **** what Minnesota does. Minnesota will be an after thought in a few years.


That's my opinion.

At a minimum, replace Chins.
 

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I don't think he should be seriously judged AT ALL until the end of year 5.
This is totally unrealistic expectation for any college coach and especially for a coach earning a base salary of $5M per year.

It is entirely legitimate to judge, criticize, denounce, or otherwise question a coach for, at the minimum, any of the following job performances:
  • gameday coaching decisions
  • behavior on and off the field
  • staff personnel/performance
  • recruiting/player development and/or discipline
It comes with the territory. Serious job, serious money, serious judgment.
 

Sporty

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Where has this crazy notion come from the coaches should not be judged until after 5 years? That is just ridiculous! WOW
 
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I think HCSF should give Coach Chin another year. We have a new d-line coach, little depth at linebacker and db's that still haven't figured out when to turn around when a pass comes their way. If we see the same problems next year, I think it is time to go after a proven DC.
 

oldjar07

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I'm making this an actual thread because I feel like there can be a constructive conversation out of this instead of stupid bitching and moaning about things a current 4 win program is doing....

Alright, here is my complete and total opinion on everything that is Nebraska Football right now. Frost signed a 7 year deal. I don't think he should be seriously judged AT ALL until the end of year 5. I don't think any of his assistants should be judged AT ALL until the end of next year, and then serious evaluations can be made. I also believe that Frost will be here as long as he wants to be here. I believe there are two standards to Nebraska Football: 1. Tom Osborne/Scott Frost standard of excellence here at Nebraska. and 2. Every other coach that has been here in the mean time. I believe that the upper classmen that we have playing, basically the majority of the starters everywhere, are mentally soft because they were recruited by a mentally soft and low standard for Nebraska coach in Mike Riley. Say what you want about that, it's just my opinion. I don't think those players will ever be able to able to compete at the level that Frost wants because of how high he holds his Nebraska standards. They're just soft and don't have "it". I also believe that's where the "culture" and "buy-in" problem there in lies. They're just too soft. And that's okay, just not here.

We've all seen the blueprint for how this is supposed to/will work. It's going to be Tom Osborne's Nebraska program, mixed with Oregon speed. On and off the field, that's what it is. I believe Frost is a very honest person and tells it like it is. Some people don't want to hear that though because they're pissed off about the product on the field so they want to find anything and everything to ***** at, even if there's nothing there. I believe that the older generation on here have seen this thing at its absolute best and that's most likely why they're the most critical. But keep in mind that Frost is also in that same boat so he's probably just as mad, if not more mad, than that population on here. I think the younger generation, myself has more patience because average to below average Nebraska Football is all we really know and can remember clearly. I understand the point of this board is to be able to talk freely and express their opinions and that's completely okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I don't think 85% of this board has the mental football capacity to even be able to have the honor to hold Frost's 20 year old jock strap, yet think they have the answers to make us title contenders right now.

For recruiting: If everyone is being completely honest with themselves right now, it doesn't matter that we're Nebraska and we were great once, we have the talent, attitude, and mental capacity to win 4-6 games right now. And realistically, we're a few plays away and one game of hesitant OT play calling away from being 7-2 and the narrative being completely different. Sorry guys, but tough to pull a bunch of 4-5 star kids away from the SEC if you're only winning 4 games a year right now. Not hard math to do. But that's where execution from current players comes into play there. Execute the way we're supposed to on a handful of plays, and recruiting is going much better. Big picture. There tiers of recruiting/players we have to go through to keep making progress. And right now, we're at the 3-4 star player and 4-6, maybe 7 win type of recruit tier right now. But guess what, Frost isn't walking on the field as a player anymore. So he can give Adrian the best possible play there is in the playbook, and if Adrian doesn't execute, fumbles, throws a pick, hesitant, whatever, who cares who the coach is? That's simply him not executing.

Last, we all know what we want. Realistic or not, we want Frost to bring back the 90s. We do. It's fine, I'll say what everyone else is thinking. And, sadly, we expect it. Because that's where he's from, that's what he did. And it'll happen, but it'll take time. People keep bringing up Minnesota and a change in DC and what not, but guess what? Minnesota didn't win 3/4 titles and didn't win almost 4/5. They didn't do what we did. Who gives a flying **** what Minnesota does. Minnesota will be an after thought in a few years.


That's my opinion.
I don't care how long his contract is. Head coaches get 3 years to show something... anything that indicates that progress is being made and things are being run well and the program is setup to get wins. Assistant coaches get 2 years at most to show they're worth keeping. Most of the assistant coaches haven't shown a damn thing in their 2 years here. Frost will get an extra year because he was a player on a national championship team. I don't think that's a bad thing. However if he doesn't produce any results, I don't see him lasting past year 4. Our schedule is going to get a lot tougher the next 2 years. We can be a significantly better team and still have losing seasons. Frost isn't going to survive 4 straight losing seasons. With how bad these first 2 years have been, Frost isn't going to get much leeway on these next 2 years with harder schedules.
 

oldjar07

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I think HCSF should give Coach Chin another year. We have a new d-line coach, little depth at linebacker and db's that still haven't figured out when to turn around when a pass comes their way. If we see the same problems next year, I think it is time to go after a proven DC.
Those type of problems shouldn't take more than 2 years to fix. I don't see how keeping Chinander is magically going to fix those problems.
 

bshirt73

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Here is the thing, this is an opinion board, and that is exactly what it is, peoples opinions. Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and they usually stink.

I think it is somewhat myopic to wait for 5 years to judge a coach. I understand why you say that, but when Frost took over the team, everyone on that team was a Frost player. No matter who recruited them. Kids want to buy-in, but that comes easier with results. The results just have not been there yet. Hopefully they will come because they program needs some positive mojo in the worst way.

I do think that both Frost and Riley completely underestimated what it takes to compete and win in the Big 10. I know I will probably get blasted for saying this, but I do think that Bo at least had some idea of what type of animal the Big 10 was since he played at Ohio State.

The hard part was trying to shift a recruiting focus from at Big 12 footprint to at Big 10 footprint. Nebraska really has never really had much of a presence in the Big 10 region and that is a tough ask to try and flip the script and become a recruiting force in the Ohio valley region. I say this because of the conversations I have had with coaches and former coaches. Even the ****** teams in the Big 10 are just flat out bigger and stronger than what you will find in the Pac-12 and for sure the AAC.

I think you are seeing especially this year, that backs and receivers that have worked for Frost in the AAC and Pac-12 are not going to cut it in the Big 10.

The tough pill to swallow for this year, was the fact that the schedule set up so well to make some hay, but it just has not materialized. I know there is a lot of patience that is being preached, but looking at the 2020 schedule, this team can not afford any slips ups early in the season. The first 7 games are all winnable, but Purdue to open the season and Cincinnati in the 4th game look to be trouble. The last 5 game stretch is brutal and Nebraska better have their **** together if they wan to avoid an 0-5 slide to end the season.

If nothing else it make for great drama to watch how this thing is going to play out over the next 3-4 years.

Wow.....a terrific post sir and fun to read.

I couldn't possibly agree more that HCSF & Smiling Mike are/were shocked with dealing with the vicious Big10. What worked flawlessly in the AAC & Pac10 just doesn't do squat with the big boys.

However, I do think SF now understands what we need to do but it's probably not a five minute process to change our recent & current fluffy style of play to be able to have success with real-deal smashmouth. I bet we're simply not ever going to have any consistent wins in the Big10 until we have the big, mean uglies ready to roll.

As you mentioned, it very well may take 3-4 years to get there. Maybe even longer.....I hope we can get it done soon somehow.
 

yort2000

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Wow.....a terrific post sir and fun to read.

I couldn't possibly agree more that HCSF & Smiling Mike are/were shocked with dealing with the vicious Big10. What worked flawlessly in the AAC & Pac10 just doesn't do squat with the big boys.

I don't think Riley had anything that worked flawlessly in the Pac 10.
 

tone1017

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The conference is not the problem. The talent is. The big ten is a good conference. We lost to a terrible Purdue team that didn’t have their best player, their qb and actually lost their second string qb during the game. That has nothing to do with penn state, Ohio state, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. Our lines are subpar and you can’t win that way in any conference. I like the young talent we have and are bringing in but at this point we can’t block anybody, our qb is seeing ghosts because he never has time and we can’t get any sort of pass rush without blitzing. That’s it, that’s the answer. We don’t need to switch conferences or go back to the triple option, we need talent upfront or we’ll never be better than average. That’s been the formula forever and always will be no matter what conference we’re in.
 

GBR_Atlanta

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I don’t agree that Minny will be an afterthought in a few years. If they keep Fleck they’re going to be around for a while.
 
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I think HCSF should give Coach Chin another year. We have a new d-line coach, little depth at linebacker and db's that still haven't figured out when to turn around when a pass comes their way. If we see the same problems next year, I think it is time to go after a proven DC.


Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.. bold strategy
 

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I'm making this an actual thread because I feel like there can be a constructive conversation out of this instead of stupid bitching and moaning about things a current 4 win program is doing....

Alright, here is my complete and total opinion on everything that is Nebraska Football right now. Frost signed a 7 year deal. I don't think he should be seriously judged AT ALL until the end of year 5. I don't think any of his assistants should be judged AT ALL until the end of next year, and then serious evaluations can be made. I also believe that Frost will be here as long as he wants to be here. I believe there are two standards to Nebraska Football: 1. Tom Osborne/Scott Frost standard of excellence here at Nebraska. and 2. Every other coach that has been here in the mean time. I believe that the upper classmen that we have playing, basically the majority of the starters everywhere, are mentally soft because they were recruited by a mentally soft and low standard for Nebraska coach in Mike Riley. Say what you want about that, it's just my opinion. I don't think those players will ever be able to able to compete at the level that Frost wants because of how high he holds his Nebraska standards. They're just soft and don't have "it". I also believe that's where the "culture" and "buy-in" problem there in lies. They're just too soft. And that's okay, just not here.

We've all seen the blueprint for how this is supposed to/will work. It's going to be Tom Osborne's Nebraska program, mixed with Oregon speed. On and off the field, that's what it is. I believe Frost is a very honest person and tells it like it is. Some people don't want to hear that though because they're pissed off about the product on the field so they want to find anything and everything to ***** at, even if there's nothing there. I believe that the older generation on here have seen this thing at its absolute best and that's most likely why they're the most critical. But keep in mind that Frost is also in that same boat so he's probably just as mad, if not more mad, than that population on here. I think the younger generation, myself has more patience because average to below average Nebraska Football is all we really know and can remember clearly. I understand the point of this board is to be able to talk freely and express their opinions and that's completely okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I don't think 85% of this board has the mental football capacity to even be able to have the honor to hold Frost's 20 year old jock strap, yet think they have the answers to make us title contenders right now.

For recruiting: If everyone is being completely honest with themselves right now, it doesn't matter that we're Nebraska and we were great once, we have the talent, attitude, and mental capacity to win 4-6 games right now. And realistically, we're a few plays away and one game of hesitant OT play calling away from being 7-2 and the narrative being completely different. Sorry guys, but tough to pull a bunch of 4-5 star kids away from the SEC if you're only winning 4 games a year right now. Not hard math to do. But that's where execution from current players comes into play there. Execute the way we're supposed to on a handful of plays, and recruiting is going much better. Big picture. There tiers of recruiting/players we have to go through to keep making progress. And right now, we're at the 3-4 star player and 4-6, maybe 7 win type of recruit tier right now. But guess what, Frost isn't walking on the field as a player anymore. So he can give Adrian the best possible play there is in the playbook, and if Adrian doesn't execute, fumbles, throws a pick, hesitant, whatever, who cares who the coach is? That's simply him not executing.

Last, we all know what we want. Realistic or not, we want Frost to bring back the 90s. We do. It's fine, I'll say what everyone else is thinking. And, sadly, we expect it. Because that's where he's from, that's what he did. And it'll happen, but it'll take time. People keep bringing up Minnesota and a change in DC and what not, but guess what? Minnesota didn't win 3/4 titles and didn't win almost 4/5. They didn't do what we did. Who gives a flying **** what Minnesota does. Minnesota will be an after thought in a few years.


That's my opinion.
Sounds like we’ve will of been sold a hill of beans, if we gotta wait 7 years to have a winning record. I seem to remember everybody telling us this would Not happen after all. He flipped UCF in 2 years. And if Frost plan is a 7 year plan NOW What gives dose he not like US Seems to me the sequel of what Bo Bo and MR Riley was selling us. This should not be a long term fix. The Riley players are not any softer then some Frost players have shown themselves ,with a handful of exceptions. You could argue Mo Washington was soft because he could not adapt to buying In. Weed and his own little self was more important to him then being their for his team. Lamar and Dismuke Cam Wandale And JD ,haven’t quit on us like he did. Winning is not only a attitude it is having the talent to compete. The only way this gets better is getting a lot more then a handful Big 10 caliber talent. Frost is no different then Riley or Bo in that they all needed to improve the talent level to implement there system.
Frost will fix this broken arrow, but come on man Even Frost doesn’t want to go through 7 years of this I’ve seen a lot of improvement many others our missing. this will get lot better very soon We still need many more impactful recruits this cycle. And many of us our making it a harder task by calling for SF head. That talk is just insane!! Is this going to be a repeat of Riley his last years Nobody gave the guy the chance to flip us to a WCO. Now some are fighting Frost ,kicking and screaming. Let’s all get behind these coaches and help them show our all current players and future Huskers how much we need them. Buy in is not only about the team it’s about all of US. NU 27 Wissy 21 GBR