Have a strong sense that this time around GS will be willing to take on a project - but only one that 'has good bones' -meaning that while the current football team many be in sad shape - it is going to have to be at an institution that embraces the idea of strongly supporting their football program in financial and atmospheric ways - this makes a more rapid turn around feasible. Doubt that he will ever want to have to be a football evangelist - having to sell the institution on the value of supporting their own football program.
Where does Schiano end up
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He was making $2.25 mm here. Tampa paid him $15 mm & Ohio State $1.3 mm. He's still $2.8 mm ahead of where he was if he stayed at RU
If the amount of money one makes if your definition of success. Sure.
Schiano completely embarrassed himself in the nfl. Called out by Hall of Fame head coaches. Lost his team after 2 years. You mustn’t realize how much that hurt him in the football world. Lucky he has a friend that needed a coach.
I will say, this offseason is going to show Schiano's marketability. He did his two years with Meyer. There's going to be 7-8 openings in the SEC alone, and thanks to the trickle effect, 20 or so jobs open. If he can't get one of them, either he isn't trying or the game has passed him by.
And yet 5 years and 3 pages later you are still talking about him. Maybe that is the definition of success. I don't know, in this profession I think I stick with the money! Now if he were a surgeon then the standards might change. Lose the hate and enjoy the sport!
He had great success here. No issue with talking about him here. I agree.
To each their own. I never chase the money. Just need happiness
What happened that his D gave up all those points? If adjustments were made they surely didn't work.He has plenty of material to work with.
Actually, we have no idea what might have happened had we not hired Schiano. For all we know, we might have hired somebody else who built the program up just as well but did even better on game days (for instance, beating WVU or getting a Big East conference title at least once).
And we might have done worse without him but still wound up in the Big Ten.
We just have no way of knowing.
That's a good observation. It is most often the winning team w/the hangover, but definitely appeared that both teams were hung-over this past week.
Mildone....we do know for sure that with Schiano the program was primed for the Big10 invite. We cannot be as sure, in retrospect, that the program would have been invited if we had another coach instead. So that's one thing it's silly to question about him regardless of his actual coaching ability.
I think Schiano is a pretty good DC and most facts support that. But I don't think he's a great head coach. He did a great job of program building at RU. But that was about it.
Does my attitude make me a Schiano hater? In my opinion, it doesn't. I don't hate the guy at all and I'm really thankful for the work he did while he was at RU.
But looking at the facts objectively; nothing in his coaching history screams "great head coach". It just screams great program builder.
Agreed. It's too soon for a meaningful and objective comparison between Ash and Schiano, IMO. The situations were very different. Schiano had 11 years, Ash hasn't had 2 yet. People like to leap to conclusions.
I'm not saying his efforts here weren't instrumental in our Big Ten invite. They absolutely were. He was able to get buy in from Rutgers to do the things that needed doing, and that was no small task.
My only point is that it's impossible to say that we wouldn't have wound up getting a Big Ten invite even if Schiano never set foot here. We can't possibly know that.
Schiano saved this program and no B1G without him. That’s the proper “obsession” with him.
Not the kind of poster I'm referring to. I'm referring to the people who deliberately gloss over the fact that his tenure (with that of Mulcahy and McCormick) are the reason we won the realignment lottery.
Mildone...true, but so what ? You can't legitimately argue we would be in a better place today if he wasn't our coach. Probability that we get to the big10 with him, since it already happened, is 100%. Anyone else, a lower %.
I was not a big fan of his as a coach. Many of his in-game decisions were terrible.
But in terms of elevating the program overall, he was the HC and should be credited.
Same thing with Joe Torre. It's silly to argue that another coach would have been a better hire.
I was not a big fan of his as a coach. Many of his in-game decisions were terrible.
But in terms of elevating the program overall, he was the HC and should be credited.
Same thing with Joe Torre. It's silly to argue that another coach would have been a better hire.
Agreed, can't see any P5 conference interested in us without the winning in Schiano's years. While somewhat short-lived the NYC/NJ buzz in '06-07 put us on the national radar. Not to say no other coach could do what he did, but the fact is he did takeover a laughingstock and built a respectable FB program on and off the field.
Again, we don't know what would've happened without him. How can we possibly know that some other coach wouldn't have done an equally good job of building up the program at that time? He did a fabulous job building the program and deserves a ton of credit for that. But he's hardly the only coach to have done such a thing.
Mild....remember the show "let's make a deal?"
Behind door #1 you know there's a coach who will stay 11 years, will take the team to multiple bowls after a 25 year drought, get the stadium expanded and soon after he leaves for an NFL job the team gets rescued from AAC irrelevance and is invited to join the big10.
Behind door #2 you have a pool of other coaches to hire from and whoever you choose will have an unknown future, may or may not get the stadium expanded, may or may not go to multiple bowls and may or may not enable Big10 rescue.
Which door do you choose ?
The point is, in hindsight GS was a very good hire.
Behind door #1 you know there's a coach who will stay 11 years, will take the team to multiple bowls after a 25 year drought, get the stadium expanded and soon after he leaves for an NFL job the team gets rescued from AAC irrelevance and is invited to join the big10.
Behind door #2 you have a pool of other coaches to hire from and whoever you choose will have an unknown future, may or may not get the stadium expanded, may or may not go to multiple bowls and may or may not enable Big10 rescue.
Which door do you choose ?
The point is, in hindsight GS was a very good hire.
Where did I argue that we would be in a better place? Where did I say he shouldn't get credit for what he accomplished? Where did I argue that another coach would've been better?
You are arguing arguments I haven't made. While it's a fine way to be assured of winning an argument, it can't be very satisfying.
People continue to think we should hire him back. There's no logically conclusive basis for assuming he'd be a great head coaching hire right now. Being a great program builder, which he was, is not the same as being a great, winning head coach in the Big Ten. There are legitimate concerns about him as a head coach.
Not wanting him back doesn't make me or anybody else a hater. Just means we're not emotionally attached to the guy. Just makes us objective. That's the so what.
Again, you're arguing with things I never said. Where did I say he wasn't a good hire?
you're harping on the point that other coaches may have been more successful here than he was....which can only suggest you are questioning the hire even in hindsight. why else would you keep repeating that ?
yes, it's possible that another coach could have accomplished more but what's your point ?
yes, it's possible that another coach could have accomplished more but what's your point ?
You continue to make these leaps of logic and/or have fantasies about what I've said. I have never once questioned hiring Schiano in the past. To the contrary, I've said he did a great job of building the program.
I'm not harping on anything. I made an irrefutably true, factual statement about a unarguably logical possibility. I think I made the statement twice, both times in response to statements others made that appeared to ignore that possibility. Maybe they were just being imprecise, I don't know. I could make the statement a hundred times and it STILL wouldn't equate to questioning hiring Schiano, particularly in the face of me saying I think he did a great job building up the program.
I think my point was pretty obvious and I restated it, at your request about "so what", to be very obvious. If you read what I wrote in my earlier posts and still don't get my point, then it's kind of clear to me that we're not communicating very well and should give it up.
Hired as an assistant offensive line coach.
Flood was considered a good College OL coach before becoming a HC and proving to be a washout at that.
Just because he might not be HC material, a NFL team might consider Kyle to
be a good candidate for their OL Coach position next year.
Some aren't cut out to be a HC, OC or DC , but are darn good position coaches.
Just like some are great OC or DCs, but wind up proving to be busts as HCs.
I still feel Greg won't get a P5 HC position, but will be hired by a G5 school as HC to rebuild their FB program
I doubt Arkansas, Tennessee and Florida will hire Schiano, there are too many
options they can look at, rather than gamble Greg can bring then to the top of SEC and in playoff hunt.
This board moves at 100 miles an hour. A month ago Ash was being compared to the worst coaches in RU history, now he is better than Greg Schiano. Every program, even Ohio State, takes a butt kicking now and then. That game didn't make his OSU tenure a bad one. This was a secondary that had 3 (!!!) top 25 picks in the SECONDARY ALONE last season. Perhaps this will not land Schiano the Florida gig, but I think we all realized he wasn't at that level anyway. Oregon State should hire him.