When to be offended....
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That is one way to go about it. Some would argue the wrong way. But your opinion is exactly why there is a problem. Not enough listening and attempting to understand. Thanks for being part of the problem
If he had donated to real organizations like Folds of HONOR, red Cross, instead Helping Oppressed MOTHErs Endure, I would think its' more than a publicity stunt. Is that right after Obama said you can keep your doctor? Keep your plan? Your rates will go down?
Some would understand that's exactly why some are coaching in the first place. And that if players want that help, you will abide in the rules, which include honoring your parents, coaches, teachers, leaders, and flag. Yes sir and no sir. It's not just football, afterall.
Correct. But a good coach can teach that along with teaching other aspects of society and that doesn't include what you first alluded to. Sticking blindly to a conviction without understanding is stupid in every circumstance, imo.
Some haven't had an instance where a player has kneeled, and don't expect to. Some are evolved past that already. They know better, both as individuals, and attempting such a stunt, because it's not about them.
Great first segment on NFL Live on ESPN on the subject by some of these former players that Trump called "SOB's". For those that are ignorant and call out players like Kapernick as Kaperdick and others that seem to not understand the issue, you would be smart to watch a replay and actually listen instead of "standing on conviction" and just wanting to remain hardheaded on the subject. Listening doesn't mean agreeing or disagreeing. It means understanding the perspective.
Your statements confirm that you can't fix stupid, but you can make them blind!
I've been listening to the plight (excuses) of the less fortunate for my entire life and one thing is constant. It's everyone else's fault but their own. Clean your side of the street or even show an effort to do so then I'll give some attention to it
There have been efforts to "clean that side of the street" since the US government promised 40 acres and a mule.
I like be how twitter makes everyone into political savvy voices in our society now. An entire situation summed up in two sentences and a photoshopped pic....such a great time for discourse.
My hilljack ancestors received no such promises. I wasn't talking only about blacks. I specifically chose the wording I did so as to not make this about race.
No doubt...my g.g.g.grandfather came over from Ireland in 1845...I'm sure he wasn't greeted with open arms and certainly wasn't promised anything or given any help...I'm sure as an Irishman he was maybe one rung above people of color.
Ah, you don't seem the type to pull punches dog. Poverty without systemic oppression, is just a state. Poverty in a system of oppression takes more than bootstraps to emancipate yourself from, imo. You don't think it was tougher for an Irishman or Italian or Jew to make it across the street in 1900 America? As those systems of oppression were gradually destroyed, the ability was increased. And without a doubt those systems of oppression for African Americans are being gradually removed as well, but many feel it's still too slow.
Otherwise, what the **** are we talking about? Poor people blaming rich people?
I agree. Yet, how much openly anti-Irish sentiment exists today? How many systemic obstacles does someone with the last name of Malone face today?
It isn't the same for African Americans. It's better to be sure
It's my position some of the liberal programs have hurt their ability to emancipate themselves as they've removed the necessity to do so. And I'm descinded from some pretty low rent fvckin Irishmen who didn't even have the courtesy to have an Irish sounding last name. They made the Elk river migration to Lincoln County. My great grandmother was Czech, and at 8 years old was orphaned crossing the pond when her mother died on the voyage. The other side of my family fancies themselves as Scottish noblemen, they weren't, unless they were like Podrick from GoT.
It's not racism, its effort and it's socioeconomic. The Black's situation is no more dire than any broke *** honkey. Those that want to make it, can, and will. Those that don't, well, that's why we have your political party, so they don't have to.
I think the directions of the two races are similar but different for sure. the Irish were never en-slaved but their treatment was upon arrival was bad...maybe just a rung better than being en-slaved. Yet we don't hear a lot about folks of Irish descent wanting reparations for the treatment their ancestors received.
Karl Malone did pretty well in the NBA.
This cartoon depicts an Irishman.
Ouch! I don't agree with the purpose of the Democratic Party, but I agree that it's been tough for many Caucasians as well....esp from areas like our home state.
An example is who has more "privilege", since the talk these days is all about "White Privilege". The son of Dr. Dre, a man worth possibly billions, or the son of a coal miner in Logan County?
It's all socioeconomic.
boomer I see your point about the expression itself and I support free speech. But why weren't you equally as "outraged" when we saw those crazy *** students in California and other places attacking Conservative speakers and beating up folks at Trump rallies last summer?
I undesrtand your sentiments about picking and choosing which speech to hate and trying to shut it down, but you're really excecised over the oppostion to the NFL player's protests, and if I remember correctly I didn't see many posts from you similarly upset over those violent attacks at Berkely against Conservative speakers?
Am I wrong?
If I am, link me to your posts during that time condeming that please?
Well stated boomer. I feel the same way about the Bible. You don't have to accept what's in in it, but why should it subjected to cultural banishment or ridicule? Many believe in it, and this is a free speech nation. So why do Bible believers have to be made ashamed of promoting it, or accepting of it's deities turned upside down in a jar of urine and called "piss Christ"?
Doesn't that cut both ways what you're argujing for here?
I don't think "privilege" exists any longer for Caucasians. I do however think that more African Americans than Caucasians live in socioeconomic conditions that make it tougher for someone with the will to rise. My father was youngest of 13 in Kelly's Creek, father a miner. He and one brother were able to rise out of it. It takes hard work for sure, but it also takes a little luck, and hope. He began working as a runner at a bank in Charleston, taking the bus and adding over 1 hr to get to work. At that job he was given the vision he needed to apply himself. Through military service, he was given the ability to attend college at night.
In most cases of class transcendence, there is luck or help involved. It's always going to come down to the individual for sure - don't get me wrong. But programs that help provide hope and opportunity to those seeking to rise out of poverty are something that benefits our society as a whole. Public education is very much one of these programs. The GI Bill, imo, is another one of these programs. I knew anProf at WVU that owned a ranch in the area, she was trying to develop a program of taking "at risk" inner city kids from NY-NJ area and bringing them to a type of "summer camp" providing intense tutoring coupled with working as hands on this horse ranch. Although I wasn't sure the horse ranch would be appealing to most kids, I liked the sentiment.
My point is: liberals aren't always in support of chucking out free money so people can just play video games, jo, and smoke weed all day. This is a myth. Liberals pay taxes too. We want the best for our families. I paid over $7000 in property taxes last year. It's not like these practical financial aspects aren't a part of a liberal's thinking process. I would like to see more opportunities for young ambitious inner city youth....not just fast food (which they are practically made fun of for working), or the army. I would like to see better teachers, and better technology in their classrooms.
It's not just about race. But it's not just about laziness either.
Kelly Creek mine in Maidsville in Mon County? My grandfather worked in that mine.