When should the shutdown end?

bruiser.sixpack

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Exactly. What happens during a bad recession/depression?

More unemployed, leading to:

-increased crime
-increased obesity (poverty/obesity link)
-increased health problems resulting from poor nutrition and lack of healthcare because of so many out of jobs or that can’t afford basic healthcare
-increased depression and suicides
-increased homelessness


And there it is. The permanent under-class.
 

MM4MSU

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If it does not end soon more lives will be destroyed than the virus ever would.
 

MadDawg.sixpack

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You still don't get it???

The shutdown should never end. This is where we hang it up and call it a day. We had a good run, humans.
 

SheltonChoked

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Exactly. What happens during a bad recession/depression?

More unemployed, leading to:

-increased crime
-increased obesity (poverty/obesity link)
-increased health problems resulting from poor nutrition and lack of healthcare because of so many out of jobs or that can’t afford basic healthcare
-increased depression and suicides
-increased homelessness

We will never be able to accurately put a number on the health consequences from dragging this out. The only difference is they won’t be so concentrated like during an epidemic.



If only there were some sort of stimulus package to help provide for people to prevent this.....
 

SheltonChoked

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Think about you favorite Restaurant, especially non-chain. Think about your favorite bar.

In 14 days 1/2 of them will be out of business, most forever. Sure. There will be someone else come along and borrow money and try to take their place. But what about those that the “shut downs” caused that were your favorites.? What happens to them? Owners who lost the business and 10’s thousands To even a hundred thousands of $? Who’s gonna pay their loans? Who’s gonna pay their bills? And their employees. Who is gonna to hire them when there entire work history is in restaurant and bar service? Probably Walmart, at $12 an hour. Grocery stores at $9 an hour.

The landscape of this country will be much different if the small businesses and restaurants are closed for a month.


https://q13fox.com/2020/03/24/white...stimulus-deal-amid-growing-coronavirus-fears/

Maybe there is someone who can give everyone money for bills and provide assistance to those small businesses.....

The unprecedented economic rescue package would give direct payments to most Americans, expand unemployment benefits and provide a $367 billion program for small businesses to keep making payroll while workers are forced to stay home.
 

Nunya.sixpack

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The shutdown hasn't started in most of the country...

two places in particular... NY and California just found out that when they put everyone at home... they didn't actually go home or stay home. in Cali, they all went to the beach. in NY, they went to parks and wherever else. It would seem those two population bases are part of the same that is screaming at the top of their lungs to shut the country down for the next 6 months or else everyone will die.
 

ezsoil

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"People that claim this is the flu are idiots." Yes they are. The flu is way worse than this Corona Virus. The Corona Virus may kill about 5k Americans this year. The flu will kill 10 times that.


dude they are going to hate on you for making sense
 

WutheringDawg

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He’s talking about testing as a proactive measure to get a feel of the contours of how the virus has spread. No, testing sick people to confirm the have Corona is not an effective preventive measure, but the former is. It will allow large swaths of healthy and recovered Americans to do exactly what you wan, but without this (making this term up) marketplace fatalism that says if we don’t have a permanent fix today then 17 it. And an “outbreak management“ type strategy could absolutely work for twelve months or however long it takes to develop a vaccine.
 

idog

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The problem isn't the workers, it's the consumers. To my knowledge, outside of entertainment/hospitality/gaming type industries, and I presumably some personal service industries like salons/spas etc., very few places have just shut down for reasons other than lack of demand.

Much of the economy can keep plugging along, except they will be hurt by the fact that a big percentage of service workers are no longer employed.

the bulk from your medical specialists are only seeing emergency cases per CDC guidelines so their patient load is a fraction (or nothing) vs normal. The bank note for my development and my payroll aren’t taking a holiday. Restaurants (high end to fast food) are also getting killed.
 

NWADawg

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I love how some speak of the what will happen with confidence as if it was factual certainty. It is not. It may be true but no one knows at this point. Medical experts admit that what little testing has been done in inconclusive on a lot of topics like how long the virus survives outside a host, infection dose that actually causes sickness on people with healthy immune systems, etc. The medical experts repeatedly say that we must assume the worse possible outcome and prepare based on that. The worse possible outcome is not a guarantee. That's why it's called the worse possible outcome, and not just the outcome.

Now, before you go freaking out. I am working from home. We are using pickup service for groceries and not going in stores. We take extreme precaution with my in-laws that are older and have health issues. We go pick up farms supplies, etc. they need and drop off at their house so they don't get out. If my kids go help on the farm - no sharing vehicles, no going in their house, never get within 6 feet. We use common sense.

There is a difference between using common sense and completely shutting the world down.