When should the shutdown end?

[Bulldog Bruce]

Monday it should all open backup. This whole exercise is the latest example of humans thinking they can control everything. Historically we have always put ourselves as the center of the universe. We used to believe then entire universe rotated around us. It is because of our physiology that we always personalize success, tragedy, issues, questions and everything else we are exposed to. That has lead to this mass accepted shutdown. Now maybe if this Malaria Drug thing is actually a cure or at least a very good response, then this whole thing might have been worth it. But if we have nothing that can curb the disease there is no reason to continue in this path. I don't get testing at all. I know it is important for history and study. I guess if we could immediately test 330 million people we would know who specifically needs to be quarantined, but that ain't happening. Life is not perfect and it is not meant to be.

 

[Hankp22]

Wow. Where is your community?

Mine's been pretty much shut down. I go to the grocery store once a week and get a normal amount of food and that's about it.

A rural MS county.

Last weekend looked like a normal Saturday. Parents had their kids at the local park practicing baseball. I don't want to make it sound like the park was flooded. It looked like two teams out there and maybe 40 people. Restaurants were open. ETC. Only a few businesses had adjusted.

Some were taking it serious. I have been for two weeks now. But that is far from a shut down.

People were beginning to slow down a bit this week and more was beginning to close. That said, we are a week or two behind.

 

[Go Budaw]

The shutdown hasn't started in most of the country...

Exactly. I’ve only been home from work for 2 days.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Monday it should all open backup. This whole exercise is the latest example of humans thinking they can control everything. Historically we have always put ourselves as the center of the universe. We used to believe then entire universe rotated around us. It is because of our physiology that we always personalize success, tragedy, issues, questions and everything else we are exposed to. That has lead to this mass accepted shutdown. Now maybe if this Malaria Drug thing is actually a cure or at least a very good response, then this whole thing might have been worth it. But if we have nothing that can curb the disease there is no reason to continue in this path. I don't get testing at all. I know it is important for history and study. I guess if we could immediately test 330 million people we would know who specifically needs to be quarantined, but that ain't happening. Life is not perfect and it is not meant to be.

1. Testing is critical for identifying who is infected and helps isolate. If everyone got tested and you isolated the infected a month ago, this thing would be over by now. Obviously it wasn't possible, but we dropped the ball to, read up on South Korea and how they have handled it.

2. This whole exercise is an effort to save lives. Until a therapeutic or vaccine is provided, the only known way to protect people is to isolate ourselves.

3. You know when the CAT5 hurricane is heading towards the coast and and some city issues a mandatory evacuation? What do you think when The Weather Channel is down there interviewing the people who are going to ride it out? I always thought they were stupid. Sure most survive, but it doesn't mean that the evacuation wasn't the right move. This is a big Cat 5 that has just hit NYC and is threatening the rest of us.

I feel like the people who are prioritizing economics over health and welfare are ignorant about both subjects. If you think the economy will get better before there is a solution you are mistaken. The quickest way out of this economically is for everyone to hunker down for the next few weeks and pick up the pieces afterwards. If we move too quickly it is like sending the evacuees back in with the eye is still offshore.

 

[dorndawg]

Wow so you *STILL* don't get it? Yikes.

 

[mstateglfr]

This whole exercise is the latest example of humans thinking they can control everything. Historically we have always put ourselves as the center of the universe. We used to believe then entire universe rotated around us.

Hmm, I wonder what led us to believe we are the center of the universe? What false teachings pushed that? What corrupt people pushed that and silenced critics?
It's almost as if an organization perpetuated this belief too...

 

[Drebin]

Talk about tough decisions. If you run a company that provides these drugs, do you proactively ramp up production now and take on substantial inventory risk, or do you wait and see and possibly cost lives? Supply chain risk is huge with this one. I have no pharm supply chain knowledge, but raw materials, production capacity and distribution have to all be ready or it won't be easy to meet demand.

Luckily for them it's cheap and easy to produce. I think it's probably worth the risk to ramp up production.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

The “ain’t skeered” mentality is what will ultimately kill thousands of people.

And some misinformation as well... my wife is a nurse who had a new resident yesterday with chronovirus. She said don't worry yet because coronovirus is just a bad cold, COVD-19 is the STRAIN that is killing people.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

spot on.

I don't expect to see the shutdown end until the rate of spread has decreased and we are prepared for temperature checks and other measures to be put in place nationwide. We are still at the beginning of this.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

If this shut down goes into summer then the virus will be the least of your problems. You’ll be worrying about protecting yourself from looters and riots.

Yep. And socionomic warfare politicians want you to see will look like actual warfare.

 

[My Bru]

1. Testing is critical for identifying who is infected and helps isolate. If everyone got tested and you isolated the infected a month ago, this thing would be over by now. Obviously it wasn't possible, but we dropped the ball to, read up on South Korea and how they have handled it.

2. This whole exercise is an effort to save lives. Until a therapeutic or vaccine is provided, the only known way to protect people is to isolate ourselves.

3. You know when the CAT5 hurricane is heading towards the coast and and some city issues a mandatory evacuation? What do you think when The Weather Channel is down there interviewing the people who are going to ride it out? I always thought they were stupid. Sure most survive, but it doesn't mean that the evacuation wasn't the right move. This is a big Cat 5 that has just hit NYC and is threatening the rest of us.

I feel like the people who are prioritizing economics over health and welfare are ignorant about both subjects. If you think the economy will get better before there is a solution you are mistaken. The quickest way out of this economically is for everyone to hunker down for the next few weeks and pick up the pieces afterwards. If we move too quickly it is like sending the evacuees back in with the eye is still offshore.

Very good analogy, actually.

When will the shutdown end? I imagine when it's clear that the virus isn't exponentially spreading. I also imagine that will be within 2-3 weeks.

People that claim this is the flu are idiots. People that claim this will linger until Labor Day are idiots.

 

[ronpolk]

The “ain’t skeered” mentality is what will ultimately kill thousands of people.

I certainly don’t fall in the ain’t scared mentality but I’m a realist too when it comes to the economy. I’m curious as to how long you’d be willing to shut down the economy to slow this down? Are you willing to see 30%, 40% or 50% unemployment? That is basically the choice right?

You make fun of the ain’t scared crowd but you refuse to admit there are going to be dire consequences for a total shutdown.

 

[Drebin]

Hmm, I wonder what led us to believe we are the center of the universe? What false teachings pushed that? What corrupt people pushed that and silenced critics?
It's almost as if an organization perpetuated this belief too...

Probably all of the climate alarmists who tell me that driving my truck is destroying the planet.

 

[Drebin]

We have to draw a line somewhere, because we can't keep it shut down forever. It's not sustainable.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

1. Testing is critical for identifying who is infected and helps isolate. If everyone got tested and you isolated the infected a month ago, this thing would be over by now. Obviously it wasn't possible, but we dropped the ball to, read up on South Korea and how they have handled it.

2. This whole exercise is an effort to save lives. Until a therapeutic or vaccine is provided, the only known way to protect people is to isolate ourselves.

3. You know when the CAT5 hurricane is heading towards the coast and and some city issues a mandatory evacuation? What do you think when The Weather Channel is down there interviewing the people who are going to ride it out? I always thought they were stupid. Sure most survive, but it doesn't mean that the evacuation wasn't the right move. This is a big Cat 5 that has just hit NYC and is threatening the rest of us.

I feel like the people who are prioritizing economics over health and welfare are ignorant about both subjects. If you think the economy will get better before there is a solution you are mistaken. The quickest way out of this economically is for everyone to hunker down for the next few weeks and pick up the pieces afterwards. If we move too quickly it is like sending the evacuees back in with the eye is still offshore.

IF YOU TEST PEOPLE ON DAY ONE. Testing people after they show signs, as we are doing, they have been spreading it for up to 14 days. So it doesn't do any good for prevention.

In the long run if there is not an actual cure you don't save any lives. Just for some reason dying from Covid19 is the worst thing to ever attack humankind.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Hmm, I wonder what led us to believe we are the center of the universe? What false teachings pushed that? What corrupt people pushed that and silenced critics?
It's almost as if an organization perpetuated this belief too...

OK, I'm curious as to what organization perpetuated this belief?

 

[Bucky Dog]

Trump said he hopes to have the entire economy up and running full speed by Easter if not sooner.

A lot of replies are spot on and Trump is right that we cannot keep our country shut down much longer or it could do irreparable damage and actually cost more lives.

With much more testing available, along with promise of the treatment of symptoms right now and increase in supplies over the next week or so, it’s probably going to start opening back up next week gradually with restrictions in certain areas, and with guidelines for seniors and other CI morbid patients still remaining locked down for a few more weeks.

 

[dawglawz]

I'm glad your son feels fine. Guess those folks in Italy just worried themselves to death.

 

[dawglawz]

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjm3Jra3LPoAhUjQEIHHW4HBLcQMygBegUIARCuAg

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Just like there are left-leaners that want this virus to kill millions. It will be good for the Planet in their philosophy.

Read the Idris Elba Interview. He claims to have tested positive. He also says he is not showing any signs. No Fever, just some shortness of breath. Only reason he got tested is because Hollywood jumped on testing productions. In the real world he would not have been tested. Hell he even gives a planet payback on the Humans theory at the end.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

I predict that in a couple weeks, locations that haven’t seen much of a threat will have a lot of people going stir crazy and start to take risks. My county hasn’t had a documented case. If that is still the case two weeks from now, then I expect to see more and more people throwing caution to the wind and trying to get back to normal.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I guess the people all for as long as it takes have nothing to lose economically. I know people in that camp. Unfortunately I’m not one of them.

I Fully get the reason for all of this shutdown but I don’t think some of these guys are taking into consideration that there will be a completely wrecked economy on the other side of this if we just shut it all down indefinitely. I’m sure they will race in and inform me how stupid I am now.

 

[dawglawz]

I volunteer to select which old people die.

 

[dorndawg]

Just like there are left-leaners that want this virus to kill millions. It will be good for the Planet in their philosophy.

17 off, bruce.

 

[Drebin]

I volunteer to select which old people die.

You're going to have to fight for the job. Cancer, heart disease, influenza, and diabetes are in the running too, and they kill a whole lot more old people than wuhan coronavirus.

 

[J-Dawg]

I certainly don’t fall in the ain’t scared mentality but I’m a realist too when it comes to the economy. I’m curious as to how long you’d be willing to shut down the economy to slow this down? Are you willing to see 30%, 40% or 50% unemployment? That is basically the choice right?

You make fun of the ain’t scared crowd but you refuse to admit there are going to be dire consequences for a total shutdown.

Exactly. What happens during a bad recession/depression?

More unemployed, leading to:

-increased crime
-increased obesity (poverty/obesity link)
-increased health problems resulting from poor nutrition and lack of healthcare because of so many out of jobs or that can’t afford basic healthcare
-increased depression and suicides
-increased homelessness

We will never be able to accurately put a number on the health consequences from dragging this out. The only difference is they won’t be so concentrated like during an epidemic.

 

[The Peeper]

Govt contracts will buy it and warehouse it so I would think that risk is minimal, as long as you have a contract. If you're producing for the open market, good luck. You can probably sell a bunch on Amazon & eBay to the everyday guy or peppers. Not sure what shelf life would be.....

 

[o_Spectre]

I really don't think the number of people needing to social distance to slow this thing have done so. I am terrified at the prospects we may be facing in 3-4 weeks. Especially if the messaging is "we just gotta go back to normal" and hundreds of thousands of non-symptomatic people start spreading further.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Exactly what I think of you and the folks who think the same way. You people have all personalized this thing and think you have control. I am saying I am just not sure if this was the right decision. Trump is now saying the same things I wrote last week. We can't keep this thing closed down like it is now. It will do too much damage to our society.

I hope you have a good arsenal and plenty of ammo if this thing stays in lockdown until July/August

 

[mstateglfr]

Just like there are left-leaners that want this virus to kill millions. It will be good for the Planet in their philosophy.

17 off, Bruce.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Oh, you don't believe that? Just google "benefits of lower population" and you will find plenty of folks that promote that. Natural means of population decrease is perfectly fine.

 

[mstateglfr]

Probably all of the climate alarmists who tell me that driving my truck is destroying the planet.

I enjoyed that.

 

[mstateglfr]

ETA- deleted as response wasnt to me.

 

[ezsoil]

Part of flattening the curve was reduction in social interactions. Smaller groups, etc... We've since gone to almost zero interaction. Starting next week we (in Mississippi) should begin to open things back up slowly and be back full swing by April 17th when the schools open.

Flattening the Curve never was intended to stop all spread of the virus just to allow us time to prepare and manage. I think we're seeing that the mortality rate is not what was predicted and 9 out of 10 who get tested DO NOT have the virus. Of the ones who test positive 90% do not need hospitalization. Fear of this has gotten worse than the virus.

OMG better watch out you gonna be labeled as having virus denial.... don't you know this is going to kill us all ...

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I expect screening procedures to get better in the coming weeks... but that being said, a virus usually has to run its course.....

 

[LandsurveyorDawg]

"People that claim this is the flu are idiots." Yes they are. The flu is way worse than this Corona Virus. The Corona Virus may kill about 5k Americans this year. The flu will kill 10 times that.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It seems like where I am in North Alabama is taking it seriously. The important thing is there are no large events to go to and no beach or park that is attractive enough to make you really want to get out. I can see us being done with much of the measures by early May. We'll probably still avoid holding large gatherings until the summer, and anyone who has been to certain places (New York City, especially) will have to quarantine and/or get tested.

I figure the hot zones now might go well into late summer or early fall before they have restrictions lifted. I also predict that Texas and Florida might become the hot zones in a month because the governors there seem to want to not make the hard decisions to close stuff.

The thing I fear the most is that people flee the hot zones and spread it. I remember how many people fled Katrina for North Alabama. Some people might say that if they're going to develop the virus they'd rather do it in a place where there are still hospital beds.

 

[Dawg1969]

I'm almost 73 and i'm not scared either, but I am hunkered down so as not to be a carrier in the community. ya'll are way to rough on people making a comment. **** , their has been some good imfo. on this board, but some of you are to rough on some of the comments. Remember opinons are like *** holes, we all have one, but I appreciate the the fact that we can learn from different experiences.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Think about you favorite Restaurant, especially non-chain. Think about your favorite bar.

In 14 days 1/2 of them will be out of business, most forever. Sure. There will be someone else come along and borrow money and try to take their place. But what about those that the “shut downs” caused that were your favorites.? What happens to them? Owners who lost the business and 10’s thousands To even a hundred thousands of $? Who’s gonna pay their loans? Who’s gonna pay their bills? And their employees. Who is gonna to hire them when there entire work history is in restaurant and bar service? Probably Walmart, at $12 an hour. Grocery stores at $9 an hour.

The landscape of this country will be much different if the small businesses and restaurants are closed for a month.

 

[fishwater99]

The problem isn't the workers, it's the consumers. To my knowledge, outside of entertainment/hospitality/gaming type industries, and I presumably some personal service industries like salons/spas etc., very few places have just shut down for reasons other than lack of demand.

Much of the economy can keep plugging along, except they will be hurt by the fact that a big percentage of service workers are no longer employed.

At least 175 million people in 17 states, 26 counties and 10 cities are being urged to stay home under Shelter in Place.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html