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MountaineerWV

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Jerry Jones wants to force his players to stand for the anthem, yet when the anthem was being played he refused to take off his hat.........interesting........[laughing]


“Jones loves and respects the national anthem so much, that when it was being played before the start of practice Saturday, he left his cap on. And when he was told about the mistake he was making, he still left his cap on. He who makes the rules, apparently doesn’t have to follow them.”
 

MountaineerWV

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Prople who fly the confederate flag say that they do it to celebrate their southern heritage and not to hinor racism yet you ignore them and call them racists. I guess you only apply your logic when it works for you.

Flying the Confederate flag is no different than flying an ISIS flag or a Nazi flag. They were traitors, tried to destroy the United States, and should not be allowed.......
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Do you think schools should force kids to stand for the pledge, and punish them if they do not?
Yes. My kids recite the pledge every day in school. They also pray every day. I do believe in school the pledge should done daily.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Flying the Confederate flag is no different than flying an ISIS flag or a Nazi flag. They were traitors, tried to destroy the United States, and should not be allowed.......
You need to understand reconstruction more. Your ignorance is on display.
 

bornaneer

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Do you think schools should force kids to stand for the pledge, and punish them if they do not? How about we force every American citizen to take the citizenship test, and if you fail it your citizenship is revoked.....
No......I also don't believe that it is necessary to play the anthem at sporting events......but if they do....I won't show desrespect to our nation by kneeling.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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This^^^^.

They have repeatedly stated it isn't about protesting the soldiers or the military. Most people know this and just use it as an excuse to attempt to shut them up. A lot of the military understand this is exactly what they fought for and many have died for. It's called freedom.
You don’t have free speech in a place of employment. WTF are you all talking about? They can quit if they don’t like the policy, it’s pretty simple.
 
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Prople who fly the confederate flag say that they do it to celebrate their southern heritage and not to hinor racism yet you ignore them and call them racists. I guess you only apply your logic when it works for you.

They are racists...and they have the freedom to be racists. How can I better explain it to you? Which part baffles you?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Reconstruction? The Confederate flag is one of traitors.........your support of military traitors is on display......
You are correct, it is one of traitors, that with their surrender became our brother and countrymen again. I’m supporting nothing, other than the execution of a well thought out plan of reconstruction. It’s how you peacefully rebuild a nation on the heels of civil war.
 

MountaineerWV

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You are correct, it is one of traitors, that with their surrender became our brother and countrymen again. I’m supporting nothing, other than the execution of a well thought out plan of reconstruction. It’s how you peacefully rebuild a nation on the heels of civil war.

Reconstruction abruptly ended with very little gains (only on paper) as the treasonous southerners gained their political power back thanks to President Hayes and his "compromise" to get the presidency. The "New" South was no different for blacks than the "old" south under slavery (except they were no longer "owned", but yet they still were thanks to sharecropping).

If someone flies a Confederate flag, they are supporting terrorists and a terrorist organization (Confederacy).
 
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What false information?

Oh ****, really?

I'll give you one example, you do your own homework. It was documented in Muller's indictment. He outlined who was involved, their tactics, their web sites, their financing, etc. Or is he in on the take too? Part of the conspiracy?

Example (and someone I know actually believed this and I couldn't convince him otherwise): Huma Abedine has ties to Muslim extremist groups. That one didn't even pass the make sense test since she is married to a Jewish man.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Reconstruction abruptly ended with very little gains (only on paper) as the treasonous southerners gained their political power back thanks to President Hayes and his "compromise" to get the presidency. The "New" South was no different for blacks than the "old" south under slavery (except they were no longer "owned", but yet they still were thanks to sharecropping).

If someone flies a Confederate flag, they are supporting terrorists and a terrorist organization (Confederacy).
I’m sorry, were you quoting a book or is that all your own opinion?

Reconstruction was absolutely successful because we rebuilt a nation and re-established commerce peacefully. Your thinking is akin to that of the hardliner communists where you have to conduct political re-education, establish marshall law, and commit genocide to maintain the peace. Allowing southerners to maintain their self respect, their pride, their positions in government, etc. allowed this nation to go forward in peace. Your hardline stance is wrong headed.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Oh ****, really?

I'll give you one example, you do your own homework. It was documented in Muller's indictment. He outlined who was involved, their tactics, their web sites, their financing, etc. Or is he in on the take too? Part of the conspiracy?

Example (and someone I know actually believed this and I couldn't convince him otherwise): Huma Abedine has ties to Muslim extremist groups. That one didn't even pass the make sense test since she is married to a Jewish man.
Your dumbass tried to claim Trump was anti-Semitic.
 

MountaineerWV

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I’m sorry, were you quoting a book or is that all your own opinion?

Reconstruction was absolutely successful because we rebuilt a nation and re-established commerce peacefully. Your thinking is akin to that of the hardliner communists where you have to conduct political re-education, establish marshall law, and commit genocide to maintain the peace. Allowing southerners to maintain their self respect, their pride, their positions in government, etc. allowed this nation to go forward in peace. Your hardline stance is wrong headed.

So you agreed with allowing the same southern leaders to regain their position in government after their treasonous past? Oh, ok.......
 

bornaneer

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Oh ****, really?
Example (and someone I know actually believed this and I couldn't convince him otherwise): Huma Abedine has ties to Muslim extremist groups. That one didn't even pass the make sense test since she is married to a Jewish man.
Here's another example: You and others on this board have compared Trump to Hitler.........The fact is that Hitler hated anything Jewish while Trump is from New York, worked in professions saturated with Jews and long has been a vocal supporter of Israel. His daughter and two grandchildren are Jewish, the executive vice president of his organization is Jewish.
He has served as a grand marshal at New York’s annual Salute to Israel Parade. After Hurricane Katrina, he was among a group of celebrities who decorated Jewish federation tzedakah boxes to be auctioned off to support hurricane disaster relief. He was honored with an award at the annual gala for the Algemeiner, a Jewish news organization.
Still think he is Hitler?
 

30CAT

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Pressing those that kneel into standing by force, especially from rich white people, isn’t going to help. Attempting to take away freedom from someone protesting whaat they see as social injustice, isn’t going to jive, imo.

Why does it have to turn into a "white rich people" thing? That has nothing to do with it. The protesting is costing business owners lots of money. The players are rich too, by the way. Maybe what ever percentage of money the business is losing, they cut the players' pay by the same percentage? Would you be cool with that or should just the business owners take the hit for the players' actions?

It's not "taking away a freedom" to be expected to conduct yourself in the workplace. There are all kinds of freedoms you have, that you can't bring into the workplace. Especially, when it's causing the business to lose money.

Your freedom is, if you don't like the rules of your workplace, you can either quit, find a new job or start your own business.
 

mneilmont

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This^^^^.

They have repeatedly stated it isn't about protesting the soldiers or the military. Most people know this and just use it as an excuse to attempt to shut them up. A lot of the military understand this is exactly what they fought for and many have died for. It's called freedom.
Everybody else in the stadium recognize the norms expected from society.

Would you find it appropriate to relieve(1 or 2) yourself where you stand? Could that not be a form of expression to exercise your free speech? That is not a societal norm. Would you find it something Jones, or any proprietor , could demand the provided facilities be utilized? Would that be OK with you to see the entire team to drop trou as soon as everyone else raise their hand to salute?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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So you agreed with allowing the same southern leaders to regain their position in government after their treasonous past? Oh, ok.......
I do. It’s how you maintain a lasting peace and rebuild a nation very quickly that was ripped apart by civil war. Reconstruction was a genius policy decision. The alternative is what you see across the world where mass genocide occurs stamping out the opposition. You’ve seen it work in Iraq and they are starting to use it in AFG as well. It forces you to handle the situation through politics vs. at the end of a gun.

i guess you’d have preferred mass genocide.
 

Boomboom521

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Why does it have to turn into a "white rich people" thing? That has nothing to do with it. The protesting is costing business owners lots of money. The players are rich too, by the way. Maybe what ever percentage of money the business is losing, they cut the players' pay by the same percentage? Would you be cool with that or should just the business owners take the hit for the players' actions?

It's not "taking away a freedom" to be expected to conduct yourself in the workplace. There are all kinds of freedoms you have, that you can't bring into the workplace. Especially, when it's causing the business to lose money.

Your freedom is, if you don't like the rules of your workplace, you can either quit, find a new job or start your own business.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s rich white people that have the ability to force players to stand, no? The owners? the commish? Trumpy dumpy big rumpy?

I’m fine with owners making whatever rules they choose to make. I’m fine with the commish making whatever rules he wants. If I agree with them or not, that’s not my business. I’m just saying, it’s obvious to me that many just have no clue why players started doing this in the first place, and most of you don’t care. For a Donald Trump or a Jerry Jones to think they can dictate the motivation for kneeling through repressing the players actions is counterproductive, imo.

The conversation should be more about what the kneeling does, rather than the fact that the kneeling shouldn’t be done.
 
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Everybody else in the stadium recognize the norms expected from society.

Would you find it appropriate to relieve(1 or 2) yourself where you stand? Could that not be a form of expression to exercise your free speech? That is not a societal norm. Would you find it something Jones, or any proprietor , could demand the provided facilities be utilized? Would that be OK with you to see the entire team to drop trou as soon as everyone else raise their hand to salute?

 

Boomboom521

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I do. It’s how you maintain a lasting peace and rebuild a nation very quickly that was ripped apart by civil war. Reconstruction was a genius policy decision. The alternative is what you see across the world where mass genocide occurs stamping out the opposition. You’ve seen it work in Iraq and they are starting to use it in AFG as well. It forces you to handle the situation through politics vs. at the end of a gun.

i guess you’d have preferred mass genocide.
I think if Lincoln had been able to follow through with his plan, it would have been better for the nation. Johnson was a dick
 

mneilmont

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Do you think schools should force kids to stand for the pledge, and punish them if they do not? How about we force every American citizen to take the citizenship test, and if you fail it your citizenship is revoked.....
Already addressed in Constitution 14th amendment.