What's the deal?

TheStateUofMS

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Dec 26, 2009
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I ask this genuinely. Why do we have less than 46k at the game? Is it legit lack of interest in the team?

For the record it sounded loud on tv. I didn't see a lot of shots of the upper decks until towards the end of the game, so we looked and sounded good on TV most of the game.
 

D4L

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Aug 2, 2021
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I've wondered the same. Other crowds around the country seem to be good. Maybe LSU will be when folks come out.
 

Drebin

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Apathy. We rarely have a full house for non-conference games. It's been that way for a while.

Folks will come out for the LSU game.
 

Dawgtruc

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Apathy. We rarely have a full house for non-conference games. It's been that way for a while.

Folks will come out for the LSU game.

This was a power 5 non conference opponent. No excuse for a poor crowd.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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Oct 6, 2012
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I saw a video of the flyover in Oxford, it looked like they had a bunch of fans dressed as empty seats too.
 

57stratdawg

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Dec 1, 2004
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I think COVID is a part of it too. Our season tickets sales were down quite a bit, right? It’s not necessarily a fear of contracting it, but people’s lives are still a little upside down.
 

Drebin

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Aug 22, 2012
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This was a power 5 non conference opponent. No excuse for a poor crowd.

I'm not excusing it, professor. As a guy who has held season tickets for more than 20 years, I can tell you it's been trending this way for non conference games for a while now. When you factor in additional circumstances like covid, the game being on TV, and apathy from last week's performance, it further explains why things are the way they are.

The best thing we can do to fix the problem is put a consistently good product on the field.
 
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That and some people have just changed their priorities. I know several people who had season tickets for years that decided they liked having free weekends and watching from home.
 

Drebin

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I saw a video of the flyover in Oxford, it looked like they had a bunch of fans dressed as empty seats too.

Yeah, and it's a problem in a lot of other places too. Ohio State had a lot of empty seats in their stadium and they were playing Oregon.
 

kired

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Aug 22, 2008
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What does the west side look like? The east looked very sparse. What’s going on over there to be so empty in some sections?
 

randystewart

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Jan 14, 2009
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I think last week had a lot to do with it. I ended up going to the game but I thought hard about not going.
Also, I think some people miss the math on us and Ole Miss with crowds. When you look at population, State or Ole Miss having 45k show up is around the equivalent of most other SEC teams having 95k show up. We don't have anywhere near the population surrounding Starkville or Oxford that most other SEC teams do. Hell, in most cases we don't even have half
 

TheStateUofMS

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Dec 26, 2009
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Interesting. So it is lack of interest. When we're a 7-5 most likely type team, we're gonna suffer on attendance. Guess that just means we have some expectations. Not a bad thing.
 

Dawgbite

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What does the west side look like? The east looked very sparse. What’s going on over there to be so empty in some sections?

The west side was considerably more full than the east side. I was there but I learned last year that I can be just as big a fan sitting home in front of the tv as I can sitting in Davis Wade.
 
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I think COVID is a part of it too. Our season tickets sales were down quite a bit, right? It’s not necessarily a fear of contracting it, but people’s lives are still a little upside down.

If we beat Memphis their lives will miraculously turn right side up and they will find a way to be at the LSU game just like 25 thousand of our fans found a way to Omaha. Our issue is that our fans don’t support sports teams that are not elite, no matter the sport. Lots of fair weather fans in our base. People have the right to spend their time and money the way they want but it is what it is as they say. It will be packed in 2 weeks which will be a nice sight to see. Only negative will be the ones on here who never buy season tickets bitching about how they are having to pay too much for tickets during a sellout crowd type game when we are playing a major sec opponent.
 

Maroon Eagle

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I’m in this category.

I used to spend weekends with close friends in Starkville and go to games but then they divorced and moved away.

Going to games isn’t fun when your friends aren’t there with you.
 

8dog

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Feb 23, 2008
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What would have to change about the experience to get you to be more likely to come? Im genuinely interested
 

MSUDC11

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The empty sections in the northeast corner are student sections.

Students aren’t really the problem. They didn’t fill in those couple of sections on the East side but the end zone is usually over capacity because they cram people on rows. We can get more students to the games but you’re not talking about a huge amount of room for growth.

We’ve lost our casual fanbase. There are a bunch of reasons for it, some of them not even MSU’s fault. But our crowds the last two weeks were our smallest (outside 2020) since the Croom era.

I think if you’re expecting an extra 15,000 to show up for LSU then you’ll probably be disappointed. That would be a 33% increase in attendance in the span of two weeks, or basically a full Dudy Noble’s worth of new people, when apparently many weren’t even satisfied with our 14 point win yesterday. It should be our best crowd of the year so far but I’m still only expecting it to be the low 50K range.
 
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DAWGS1.sixpack

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COVID
If we were pre-pandemic or we have put COVID once and for all behind us, we would have had a crowd of about 56-58K
Throw in the **** show from last week and and a non-SEC opponent and you get what we got last night.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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Oct 30, 2012
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COVID has to be a factor. Some people are concerned. Can’t say that’s completely unfounded given that we have people that refuse free healthcare…
 

PineGroveBully

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There’s probably no way to really prove this but I’m betting our fanbase has less disposable income than all but 1 or 2 SEC programs. Kind of goes to your mention of not really supporting teams that aren’t elite. State has plenty of alumni with the disposable income to consistently put 60k fans in the stands but a very large portion of those probably live 3 hours or more from Starkville.

We would be better off spending our funds on seating of 45-50k but really crank up the fan experience. Some of the people complaining about empty seats vs NC State are the same ones fussing about not building The Dude big enough to put 18k fans in the stands when 6k of those seats would only be used 8-9 times a year. That wasn’t aimed at the OP.
 

57stratdawg

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Definitely. I don’t fault them for that.

But, we’ve had people miss because of rescheduled weddings, conflicts with kids, having to work more on Saturdays, etc.
 

Bulldogg31

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I think you’ll be surprised at the number of fans there for the LSU game. Many fans (like myself) live pretty far from Mississippi and it takes a fairly special event to get them to make the trip.

In my case it’s an 8 hour drive to Starkville (my family is another 2 hours farther away) and we will all be there for LSU. I have several friends doing the same. Frankly none of us care enough about non-conference games to go to that trouble or expense. Even for low-tier SEC games like Vandy, Kentucky, etc I’d rather stay home, play golf, and watch it on Tv at night.
 

PBRME

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I’m in this category.

I used to spend weekends with close friends in Starkville and go to games but then they divorced and moved away.

Going to games isn’t fun when your friends aren’t there with you.

This is me. I used to go to games with friends and co-workers. Over the years kids, grandkids, divorces, moves, etc dropped it down to just the wife and I. Plus now I just dropped a wad on a screened in porch and outdoor kitchen. Also if the wife and I want to drink we both can since there’s no 6 hour round trip drive involved.

I’m getting older, and just don’t enjoy being in a crowd of strangers that much.
 

o_dawgnabit

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My personal reasons have a lot to do with logistics. I had season tickets up until last year. But I live in Atlanta and it’s a lot to get over to starkville, find a place to stay, board the dogs, etc.

I do think there is also some form of apathy that has set it that I’m hoping goes away in the next couple weeks. I mean when was the last exciting, big game atmosphere we’ve had in DWS? A&M in 2018? And I know we had down years during the Mullen tenure but we always went into the games thinking we had a punchers chance. I remember going to the alabama game in 2013 and that place was packed and going crazy. Fast forward to say, 2019, no one showed up to the lsu or bama games because we knew what was about to happen. Our play since 2018 has been more frustrating than exciting. Hoping this past weekend changes some thoughts on our program
 
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Duke Humphrey

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Oct 3, 2013
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I think this is biggest issue

State has plenty of alumni with the disposable income to consistently put 60k fans in the stands but a very large portion of those probably live 3 hours or more from Starkville.

Time is money, and it takes a lot more to get to Starkville for our fans than just buying tickets and parking pass. The lack of affordable lodging options play into this as well.

Again, we are not the only program facing this issue, but we have some factors that hurt us more than others.
 

8dog

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But that- along with a lot of reasons stated in this thread- have always been the case. What is new that would cause such a crappy crowd on a great night?
 

PineGroveBully

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Exactly, once you’ve factored in as what would be 4-6 hour round trip you hafta add another 2 hours for game day traffic. Add in eats at the game, a meal before and after. Most would stay Friday or Saturday nights, and maybe both. You’ve just added 3 more meals eaten out (Ole Miss Softball says, “you had me a meals!”). All the sudden you can easily be looking at $1k-1.5k, that’s for one weekend. If you do 6-7 home games your looking at $10k, and that’s just football.

When you look at the population of SEC cities then putting in an average attendance of 50k is actually pretty impressive. Starkville and Oxford are the only towns with less than 60k, and they’re both less than half that. Putting 50k into a stadium literally puts twice the financial strain per ticket than any other SEC program. That’s why we’d be better off cutting seats and ramping up the game day experience, making those folks feel like they’re getting their money’s worth. Every city outside Mississippi can fill their stadiums with folks that can sleep in their own bed while only eating out once.

And yea it may hurt your Joe Sixpacks a little, but there is still enough of the Kentucky/NC State’s on the schedule to give retail, going-to-one-game-a-year fans ample opportunities to enjoy the Mississippi State game day experience as well. None of that is to say woe is us, it’s simply knowing your audience.
 

Dawgtini

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For one you watched it on TV while I spent 2 hours in town each way to help my 80 yo dad get to his seat. Maybe lack of effort??
 
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For me it’s pretty simple, my wife and I used to always go when she had family living in Starkville and we had a free place to stay. Her family has since moved and we have to pay for a hotel or Airbnb.

When you factor in a hotel, gas, meals, tickets, and alcohol it is $1,000 per game for my wife and I to go watch the dawgs.

We usually only go to 2 games a year because of this.
 

CoolDawg

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I ask this genuinely. Why do we have less than 46k at the game? Is it legit lack of interest in the team?

For the record it sounded loud on tv. I didn't see a lot of shots of the upper decks until towards the end of the game, so we looked and sounded good on TV most of the game.

I would be interested in you answering your own question. Why weren't you there? Don't think I would be complaining about others not being there if I wasn't there myself.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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Aug 25, 2014
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Jo Mo years, plus Covid, plus underwhelming offensive performances and struggles last year. You want to get buts in the seats, have to keep up the exciting defense but really need to light up the score board with offense. Not to mention cost of gas is going up and cost of hotels etc. tickets haven't really gone down either. Lot easier for people to just stay home watch on TV and watch a bunch of games. People got comfortable on the couch.
 

Crazy Cotton

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Aug 26, 2012
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How many fans blew their fun money at the world series? Wasn't that long ago, and it was expensive if you took the family.
 

Bagman.sixpack

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Covid pretty much ruined it for most I know. Just so easy to watch at home or with friends and no issues getting home.

2019 was not this way.

I don’t buy the disposable income argument because 2-3 years ago we had more people at the stadium more often.
 
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