What we should be doing lineup and minutes wise

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

McConnell and a Mulcahy to the bench.
Hyatt and Jones into the starting lineups. Hyatt 32 a game
Jones 25 a game
Ron - 32 a game
Geo- 32 a game
McConnell and Mulcahy will still play 20-25 minutes a game.
Agee- six minutes a game
Reiber - six minutes a game
Mag- 10-12 minutes a game
Cliff gets 28 to 30 a game.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Play jones instead of mulcahy.

 

[zappaa]

McConnell and a Mulcahy to the bench.
Hyatt and Jones into the starting lineups. Hyatt 32 a game
Jones 25 a game
Ron - 32 a game
Geo- 32 a game
McConnell and Mulcahy will still play 20-25 minutes a game.
Agee- six minutes a game
Reiber - six minutes a game
Mag- 10-12 minutes a game
Cliff gets 28 to 30 a game.

I would not allow PM to handle the ball at the top of the key.
He’s a scrappy underrated rebounder and good no look passer if he gets a guy to take his ball fake on the wing.
Whatever position you call that is what his roll should be.
One thing it ain’t is point guard.
Let the kid play to his strengths and be that annoying, physical pest to play against

 

[Degaz-RU]

Overreaction to the first two games.

Did Mulcahy and McConnell play poorly in both? Yes.

Should Pike hit the panic button and change the lineup two games into the season? No.

He has to think about the long term and what benching TWO starters will do to the overall psyche of both those two players and the team.

That said, the situation needs to be monitored closely within each game, and if — as was the case against Merrimack— either or both of these players are hurting the team, Pike should absolutely play the hot hands instead of them.

That further said, I would not be terribly upset if Hyatt started instead of McConnell. I thought Hyatt should have been in the starting lineup anyway, and the first two games have only enhanced that belief.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Just because a player starts a game, doesn't mean they're more valuable or important. People went crazy when Cliff started last year over Myles Johnson and that was done for the same reason.....to get a new kid, up and running and experienced as soon as possible.....if Cliff got a quick early foul, you had Myles behind him to play if necessary.

Myles Johnson at the start of last year was the better player vs Cliff Omoyuri in November 2020.....Jacob Young was the better player than Paul Mulcahy in November 2020.....at the end of the day, Jacob and Myles played important minutes while getting playing time for Mulcahy and Cliff.

Once Cliff went down, RU lost some of its effectiveness. This year, I am fine with Caleb and Paul starting for now, it's not the end of the world and you cannot accelerate Jaden Jones to 30 minutes a game, this early into a season.

Let's let him develop on his own pace, we don't need him to be a star today.....let's relax and let him get in sync.....it's literally Game 1 and 2 of his career.....

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

Overreaction to the first two games.

Did Mulcahy and McConnell play poorly in both? Yes.

Should Pike hit the panic button and change the lineup two games into the season? No.

He has to think about the long term and what benching TWO starters will do to the overall psyche of both those two players and the team.

That said, the situation needs to be monitored closely within each game, and if — as was the case against Merrimack— either or both of these players are hurting the team, Pike should absolutely play the hot hands instead of them.

That further said, I would not be terribly upset if Hyatt started instead of McConnell. I thought Hyatt should have been in the starting lineup anyway, and the first two games have only enhanced that belief.

Hyatt’s moxie can get us

Just because a player starts a game, doesn't mean they're more valuable or important. People went crazy when Cliff started last year over Myles Johnson and that was done for the same reason.....to get a new kid, up and running and experienced as soon as possible.....if Cliff got a quick early foul, you had Myles behind him to play if necessary.

Myles Johnson at the start of last year was the better player vs Cliff Omoyuri in November 2020.....Jacob Young was the better player than Paul Mulcahy in November 2020.....at the end of the day, Jacob and Myles played important minutes while getting playing time for Mulcahy and Cliff.

Once Cliff went down, RU lost some of its effectiveness. This year, I am fine with Caleb and Paul starting for now, it's not the end of the world and you cannot accelerate Jaden Jones to 30 minutes a game, this early into a season.

Let's let him develop on his own pace, we don't need him to be a star today.....let's relax and let him get in sync.....it's literally Game 1 and 2 of his career.....

Ill bite. What about both guys starting do you think benefits the team? How else would you stop the lackluster play in the first half?

 

[jakeknight]

Based on limited observation, Jones and Hyatt should have more minutes, probably don't play McConnell and Mulcahy together, Mulcahy is more of a point forward than point guard. But we definitely need to find a point guard not sure if Geo is the answer hasn't been in the past, but he may be the only answer by the process of elimination

 

[zappaa]

Overreaction to the first two games.

Did Mulcahy and McConnell play poorly in both? Yes.

Should Pike hit the panic button and change the lineup two games into the season? No.

He has to think about the long term and what benching TWO starters will do to the overall psyche of both those two players and the team.

That said, the situation needs to be monitored closely within each game, and if — as was the case against Merrimack— either or both of these players are hurting the team, Pike should absolutely play the hot hands instead of them.

That further said, I would not be terribly upset if Hyatt started instead of McConnell. I thought Hyatt should have been in the starting lineup anyway, and the first two games have only enhanced that belief.

This whole thread should be about PM running the O instead of Geo,
What more do you need to see ?
Make it stop

 

[zappaa]

Just because a player starts a game, doesn't mean they're more valuable or important. People went crazy when Cliff started last year over Myles Johnson and that was done for the same reason.....to get a new kid, up and running and experienced as soon as possible.....if Cliff got a quick early foul, you had Myles behind him to play if necessary.

Myles Johnson at the start of last year was the better player vs Cliff Omoyuri in November 2020.....Jacob Young was the better player than Paul Mulcahy in November 2020.....at the end of the day, Jacob and Myles played important minutes while getting playing time for Mulcahy and Cliff.

Once Cliff went down, RU lost some of its effectiveness. This year, I am fine with Caleb and Paul starting for now, it's not the end of the world and you cannot accelerate Jaden Jones to 30 minutes a game, this early into a season.

Let's let him develop on his own pace, we don't need him to be a star today.....let's relax and let him get in sync.....it's literally Game 1 and 2 of his career.....

You continue to make multiple long winded posts that don’t address the issue???
If you thing PM should be our point guard, make your arguments as to why he should be the leader of this offense?

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Hyatt’s moxie can get us

Ill bite. What about both guys starting do you think benefits the team? How else would you stop the lackluster play in the first half?

How do you expect to get production out of players who aren't scoring, if they play less minutes......vs players in Hyatt and Jones who don't need many minutes to score or be productive??

You also become much easier to scout and defend if you limit your lineups to 6 players vs 8 or 9....you have to give teams more than a few lineups to prepare for....

 

[zappaa]

How do you expect to get production out of players who aren't scoring, if they play less minutes......vs players in Hyatt and Jones who don't need many minutes to score or be productive??

You also become much easier to scout and defend if you limit your lineups to 6 players vs 8 or 9....you have to give teams more than a few lineups to prepare for....

No one has a clue what you’re saying
Not a single person is advocating for a 6 man rotation

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

How do you expect to get production out of players who aren't scoring, if they play less minutes......vs players in Hyatt and Jones who don't need many minutes to score or be productive??

You also become much easier to scout and defend if you limit your lineups to 6 players vs 8 or 9....you have to give teams more than a few lineups to prepare for....

I don’t get what your saying. Sounds like keep the starters in so they can score. If Hyatt and jones are scoring wouldn’t they score more if they were in longer?

 

[Scarlet Shack]

It’s way too early for this

But ...as I see it ...it’s simple

1.) Geo and Ron are cemented in for 30 mpg
2.) cliff is cemented in for 30 mpg, except when he has foul trouble...and other pick up those minutes
3.) Reiber and Agee play whatever monies cliff doesn’t at the five

So that’s 100 minutes

That means you have 100 minutes left for
Paul
Caleb
Aundre
Jaden
Magot

And that will need to be sorted out ...and should be sorted out ...on the court

 

[zappaa]

It’s way too early for this

But ...as I see it ...it’s simple

1.) Geo and Ron are cemented in for 30 mpg
2.) cliff is cemented in for 30 mpg, except when he has foul trouble...and other pick up those minutes
3.) Reiber and Agee play whatever monies cliff doesn’t at the five

So that’s 100 minutes

That means you have 100 minutes left for
Paul
Caleb
Aundre
Jaden
Magot

And that will need to be sorted out ...and should be sorted out ...on the court

I still don’t understand why you and no one else is ADVOCATING for Geo’s 30 to be at PG instead of PM!

 

[Scarlet Shack]

I still don’t understand why you and no one else is ADVOCATING for Geo’s 30 to be at PG instead of PM!

Zappaa

Who says im not???

I absolutely think that’s what needs to be done...

From what I see...I think Geo needs to be the one for ALL 30 minutes and we cannot have Geo and Paul on the floor together much for defensive reasons (especially if we are going to switch 1 thru 4 on man defense )

 

[TheHandOfChaos]

McConnell and a Mulcahy to the bench.
Hyatt and Jones into the starting lineups. Hyatt 32 a game
Jones 25 a game
Ron - 32 a game
Geo- 32 a game
McConnell and Mulcahy will still play 20-25 minutes a game.
Agee- six minutes a game
Reiber - six minutes a game
Mag- 10-12 minutes a game
Cliff gets 28 to 30 a game.

Agee = 0 minutes
Seems like like a liability in almost all phases.

Spread those 6 minutes out among others

 

[zappaa]

Zappaa

Who says im not???

I absolutely think that’s what needs to be done...

From what I see...I think Geo needs to be the one for ALL 30 minutes and we cannot have Geo and Paul on the floor together much for defensive reasons (especially if we are going to switch 1 thru 4 on man defense )

PM can be on the floor with Geo if his roll is to be the pesky tough underrated rebounder he is that gets under the skin of opposing teams.
I’ve seen PM be a pain the *** knocking balls away and stealing balls from forwards underneath the basket.
Put him in the position to be that guy

 

[RUJMM78]

Based on limited observation, Jones and Hyatt should have more minutes, probably don't play McConnell and Mulcahy together, Mulcahy is more of a point forward than point guard. But we definitely need to find a point guard not sure if Geo is the answer hasn't been in the past, but he may be the only answer by the process of elimination

What I have seen in the two games is the lack of a guard that can lead a fast break resulting in a basket instead of a turnover.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Overreaction to the first two games.

Did Mulcahy and McConnell play poorly in both? Yes.

Should Pike hit the panic button and change the lineup two games into the season? No.

He has to think about the long term and what benching TWO starters will do to the overall psyche of both those two players and the team.

That said, the situation needs to be monitored closely within each game, and if — as was the case against Merrimack— either or both of these players are hurting the team, Pike should absolutely play the hot hands instead of them.

That further said, I would not be terribly upset if Hyatt started instead of McConnell. I thought Hyatt should have been in the starting lineup anyway, and the first two games have only enhanced that belief.

This *100. Every player except Ron and Cliff will be in a thread like this at some point in this 3X game season.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What I have seen in the two games is the lack of a guard that can lead a fast break resulting in a basket instead of a turnover.

If Cliff is going to beat his man down the floor we better give him the GD ball.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It’s way too early for this

But ...as I see it ...it’s simple

1.) Geo and Ron are cemented in for 30 mpg
2.) cliff is cemented in for 30 mpg, except when he has foul trouble...and other pick up those minutes
3.) Reiber and Agee play whatever monies cliff doesn’t at the five

So that’s 100 minutes

That means you have 100 minutes left for
Paul
Caleb
Aundre
Jaden
Magot

And that will need to be sorted out ...and should be sorted out ...on the court

your 100 could become 110 if point 3 doesn't get sorted out. May have to bring out the Z word at times.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

You can’t have a standard breakdown of minutes for a team. It can easily vary game to game and by matchups, etc. There’s also nothing wrong with riding a hot hand, should we ever have one. That’s were coaching comes in.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Agee = 0 minutes
Seems like like a liability in almost all phases.

Spread those 6 minutes out among others

I have to agree with you. It’s only two games but right now, Pike must have seen a different player in practices.

He also bragged about his size and I just don’t see it…plus he plays smaller than he is.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I have to agree with you. It’s only two games but right now, Pike must have seen a different player in practices.

He also bragged about his size and I just don’t see it…plus he plays smaller than he is.

If Pike really believes in him he wouldn’t have shut off his minutes that fast.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

your 100 could become 110 if point 3 doesn't get sorted out. May have to bring out the Z word at times.

I think that’s legit ...I think that’s part of the reason we have seen some 2-2-1 in the first game and 1-2-1-1 yesterday ...coach knows
He may need a hedge to play zone in some situations and if you want to play zone ...why not trap to take some shot clock off.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Especially when you can play a lineup of 5 guys over 6’6’’

 

[higgins3]

Geo,Jaden,RHJ,Hyatt, Cliff at 26+ a game

This team is not that deep unfortunately.

Foul trouble and McConnell, Reiber, and Mag are first to come off bench to get 10-14 minutes depending. Mulcahy as well. Geo/McConnell/Mulcahy struggle together as many have recognized.

 

[RUChoppin]

My knee-jerk, way-too-early thoughts on minutes:

Center:
Omoruyi: As many minutes as he can handle without foul trouble
Reiber: 80% of the minutes at the center spot that Omoruyi doesn't use
Agee: 20% of the minutes at the center spot that Omoruyi doesn't use

Guards/Forwards:
Harper: 30-35 min
Baker: 30-35 min
Jones: 20-25 min
Hyatt: 20-25 min
McConnell: 15-20 min
Mulcahy: 15-20 min
Mag: 10-15 min
Palmquist: 3-5

Miller - is he fully redshirting this year?

 

[RAC’emUp]

I have to agree with you. It’s only two games but right now, Pike must have seen a different player in practices.

He also bragged about his size and I just don’t see it…plus he plays smaller than he is.

Good rule of thumb: When Pike speaks publicly he only says positive things about his players. So ignore it all until the season gets going.

I have to add that from having been at the open practice the early results on Agee are no surprise at all. He‘s not that big and not that quick. A below the rim center. Hopefully he turns out to be better than this small sample of games.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Nothing wrong with Pike saying only positive things. However, when he says things like Cliff and Agee are by far his best center combo, brags about Agee’s size, and says this team is better than last year’s (could turn out to be true but certainly not now), he loses some credibility…not to mention a seemingly unnecessary slight at Reiber, IMO.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Just because a player starts a game, doesn't mean they're more valuable or important. People went crazy when Cliff started last year over Myles Johnson and that was done for the same reason.....to get a new kid, up and running and experienced as soon as possible.....if Cliff got a quick early foul, you had Myles behind him to play if necessary.

Myles Johnson at the start of last year was the better player vs Cliff Omoyuri in November 2020.....Jacob Young was the better player than Paul Mulcahy in November 2020.....at the end of the day, Jacob and Myles played important minutes while getting playing time for Mulcahy and Cliff.

Once Cliff went down, RU lost some of its effectiveness. This year, I am fine with Caleb and Paul starting for now, it's not the end of the world and you cannot accelerate Jaden Jones to 30 minutes a game, this early into a season.

Let's let him develop on his own pace, we don't need him to be a star today.....let's relax and let him get in sync.....it's literally Game 1 and 2 of his career.....

I think starting Cliff was to "hide" Myles at teh tip.

That is.. before the game or the half begins.. if Myles was out there the opposing coach would remind his team to take the ball inside to Myles.. generate early foul calls on the most important player on Rutgers team.

Starting Cliff meant Myles would get more minutes than if he started because he would avoid being targeted for fouls at the start of play.