WHAT IF, MAYBE?

[PointAfter]

What if Coach Mo did the only think he thought he could do to get us to the promised land?

We, Dan included, had become satisfied, for the most part, with winning 8 or 9 games each year even though we could not beat Alabama and more often than not we lost to anyone ranked above us. We might get mad for awhile because we weren't going to Atlanta, but hey, we beat everyone we were obviously supposed to beat (except South Alabama) and we got to a bowl game. One time we even went bowling based on grades and not wins!

Maybe, just maybe, Coach Mo knew that the only way to make that giant step to the top was to have a competent, passing quarterback to stretch the field (like Ole Miss used to do) and only then would we truly have a chance to beat the big boys. Or, he could keep running the same (safe) plays with a fair amount of success until we play Bama and Auburn who would stuff everything we tried and send us home as usual.


Maybe he is a crappy coach and we will never win another game or maybe, rather than playing it safe, he saw a chance to reach for the golden ring and just fell way short. Time will tell.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

He’s not a crappy coach for sure, his resume speaks for itself.

But you can be a really good coach and make mistakes.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

This right here is BS

We have what we have, and he needs to work with that...for now.

 

[missouridawg]

We have what we have, and he needs to work with that...for now.

Why do folks struggle with that concept? What is confusing about playing to your players’ strengths and not sacrificing wins to rush a new offensive philosophy in to existence? I mean, how great would it be, if we started to peel the real JoMo playbook open this weekend after showing 5 straight games of power running? Wouldn’t that be a real weapon to throw a DC for a loop?

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

What if we have just been vanilla the last 2 weeks so as to give Bama no valuable film??...

 

[patdog]

We have what we have, and he needs to work with that...for now.

THIS is the truth. If Moorhead needs a better passing QB, and I agree he does, he needs to develop Thompson and recruit one. But as a 5th year SR who missed spring practice, Fitz passing is what it is. He has 2 of the best running backs in the conference, 3 counting Fitz if he's 100% recovered (he doesn't appear to be). He needs to get his horses the ball more often.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I'd fire Moorehead on sight...minu 2 on the ledger.

 

[CoolDawg]

If your theory is correct, then Moorhead is every bit as bad as Sly Croom and will probably be about as successful as Croom. Any coach worth a damn isn't going to write off his first season as coach. He should coach to the strengths of his players and install his offense when and if he gets the players that can run it. All this team needed was some minor adjustments. It looks like Moorhead is hell bent on destroying it so that he can rebuild it. I would much rather win the 8-9 games a year that we were winning to the 4-5 games we will be winning with Moorhead.

 

[MarkDallas]

Maybe, just maybe, Coach Mo knew that the only way to make that giant step to the top was to have a competent, passing quarterback to stretch the field (like Ole Miss used to do) and only then would we truly have a chance to beat the big boys. Or, he could keep running the same (safe) plays with a fair amount of success until we play Bama and Auburn who would stuff everything we tried and send us home as usual.

 

[Len2003]

It really depends on whether or not he can recruit players that are good enough to play in this system and challenge the upper tier programs.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

By the time he does then our defense will stink

 

[Shmuley]

What if Crxxmhead is actually coaching RBs in the NFL and we are just his side job?

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Don't truly know that this is the case here.

But IF it is.....

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

*side piece

 

[MedDawg]

THIS is the truth. If Moorhead needs a better passing QB, and I agree he does, he needs to develop Thompson and recruit one.

Don't forget Jalen Mayden passed for over 65% in his sophomore, junior, and senior years at a 6A Texas high school. In his senior season he had 20 passing TD's to only 2 interceptions, plus he rushed for 748 yards and 12 TD's.

 

[thatsbaseball]

IMO His resume has some gaps in it as far as preparing him to be a HC in the SEC. BUT at this point we've rolled the dice, he's ours and we've got to let it play out. It can definitely go either way from here.

 

[JML105]

I overheard him last night with some folks after the show and all he talked about was Shrader.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I hope you are trolling.

 

[JML105]

Nope. Seriously.

 

[maroonmania]

What if Coach Mo did the only think he thought he could do to get us to the promised land?

We, Dan included, had become satisfied, for the most part, with winning 8 or 9 games each year even though we could not beat Alabama and more often than not we lost to anyone ranked above us.

If we are just talking regular season then need to bump that down to being satisfied with winning 7 or 8 games each year under Mullen. Mullen won more than 8 games only ONCE in his 9 years during the regular season at MSU while winning 5 to 6 games THREE times. Of course a 7 win season is starting to look pretty good at the moment.

 

[maroonmania]

We have what we have, and he needs to work with that...for now.

Exactly, a smart coach would have tailored more to the personnel FOR NOW until he gets in players more able to be successful with the RPO stuff he wants to do. So far Mullen showed more adaptability to his personnel than Moorhead has. Mullen had the power running game with a fullback back when he had Relf running the offense to almost an air raid offense when Dak was a SR and we had a poor run blocking OL. You gotta go with the hand you are dealt.

 

[thatsbaseball]

We're toast...take Aubie and lay the points **

 

[Seinfeld]

I think most are just grasping at straws to somehow explain the sheer idiocy and ineptitude we’ve seen from our offense during the last two weeks. The trouble is... there is no viable explanation, so fans don’t know what to say. Minds have been blown

I don’t know... All I can say is that you can become a good coordinator by running a system well. You become a good head coach by recruiting the best you can, but then consistently figuring out how to work with what you’ve got. In this regard, Joe has severely underwhelmed, and it’s frightening as to just how our of place he looks at the moment

 

[Seinfeld]

I’ve been listening to Thunder & Lightning this morning, and they made a point that was both valid and infuriating

If MSU’s offense scored just 21 points/gm in SEC play, there’s a very good chance that we’re 5-0 right now, and we finish the season with 8-10 wins. In other words, Joe didn’t need to come in here and score 35 pts/gm. All he had to do was just not completely DESTROY our offense, and the season would be fine.

Unfortunately, he has completely ruined it thus far, so I don’t want to hear about what illusions of grandeur he may have had to get us past 9-10 wins. If you’re building a mansion, you may be most excited about the pool or fancy balcony in your master bedroom, but you have to set the foundation first. If Moorhead doesn’t understand this, it’s not a learning point for us to recognize and get over. It’s a perfectly valid reason to condemn him because you can’t do this crap as an SEC head coach. It is 100% inexcusable

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I overheard him last night with some folks after the show and all he talked about was Shrader.

Would not be surprised if he starts next year.

 

[Seinfeld]

Nor would I. He’s hanging his hat on the lack of personnel excuse, so he won’t have that card to play next season. Then it will be... we’ve finally got the right people in the right spots, but they’re going to need time to grow...

Face it... he’s turned a working machine into a 2-3 year rebuild, and that’s probably 90% of what has people so irate. He didn’t inherit a broken program

 

[JML105]

What if maybe his boss is setting the pace? Could be that Cohen hired him with the expectation and agreement that he would take us from good to great and that would require some "culture change", specifically in the O game. It can't be easy to take a team that has never really been a lateral threat that scores a bunch of points into one that does. At the same time, trying to keep a fan base engaged that's screaming "run the dam bawl!". Was it determined by our AD that this is the only way that we will see the next level? I don't know. Just trying to make sense of it all like everybody else.

However, I will say that this wasn't the season for drastic change. IMO Moorhead should have understood that he has a bunch of seniors that are used to a certain system and only made some minor fundamental changes. Then we win games we should, he builds trust with the fan base, and begins to insert his scheme for the future next season.

 

[Dawgzilla]

His offense can easily be adapted to a power running game; we saw some of that at KSU. He openly says that he wants to adapt the offense to the strength of his personel.....but he hasn't as far as any of us can see. I remain hopeful, but growing ever skeptical.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

If this really is his plan then the smart thing to do is either:
A) Start Key because he's the future and needs all the experience becoming the passing QB Moorhead needs for his system
B) Redshirt Key and all the other QBs this year and play Fitz in a scheme that maximizes our win percentage since winning correlates with recruiting

He's not doing either.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

He cannot talk about recruits to fans.

 

[Seinfeld]

Then his boss also needs to be prepared to accept the consequences of this catastrophe

 

[PartTimeGenius]

95% of play calls, if executed properly, will score a touchdown. The rest are kneels, or 1/2 yard plays. Poor offense is a direct result of players' failure to execute. Missed block, dropped pass, bad pass, poor read, etc. etc. If this team will execute every play, they will win. Ask practice insiders if th offense sucks that bad in practice against our defense. If so, then maybe there needs to be changes in the gameplan. If they execute during practice, but not in games, that's on the players--not the coach. Individual execution win games.

 

[Drewbowski]

He cannot talk about recruits to fans.

don't think this is gettin enough traction.

 

[JML105]

Why?

 

[JML105]

95% of play calls, if executed properly, will score a touchdown. The rest are kneels, or 1/2 yard plays. Poor offense is a direct result of players' failure to execute. Missed block, dropped pass, bad pass, poor read, etc. etc. If this team will execute every play, they will win. Ask practice insiders if th offense sucks that bad in practice against our defense. If so, then maybe there needs to be changes in the gameplan. If they execute during practice, but not in games, that's on the players--not the coach. Individual execution win games.

I see why you’re just part time.

 

[MarkDallas]

I see why you’re just part time.

Just about to say the same thing.

This losing streak had brought out the crazies.

 

[msstate7]

He cannot talk about recruits to fans.

To be fair, he's lost all his fans**

 

[vandaldawg]

Would not be surprised if he starts next year.

Then we will we be watching Moorhead learn another valuable lesson as his darling QB gets slaughtered week after week in an SEC schedule.

 

[vandaldawg]

Nor would I. He’s hanging his hat on the lack of personnel excuse, so he won’t have that card to play next season. Then it will be... we’ve finally got the right people in the right spots, but they’re going to need time to grow...

Face it... he’s turned a working machine into a 2-3 year rebuild, and that’s probably 90% of what has people so irate. He didn’t inherit a broken program

For some reason, we have to keep making this point. I really don’t know why. Literally NOBODY wanted us to just flush what we have now. Nobody. Everybody thought we were going to roll on with what we were doing, and add some downfield throws. Not sacrifice our running game.

And now that we have, people are saying, “well maybe its a rebuild until he gets his players that he wants”. What? Huh? That was not the agreement any of us signed up for. Least of all JoMo.

 

[MarkDallas]

For some reason, we have to keep making this point. I really don’t know why. Literally NOBODY wanted us to just flush what we have now. Nobody. Everybody thought we were going to roll on with what we were doing, and add some downfield throws. Not sacrifice our running game.

And now that we have, people are saying, “well maybe its a rebuild until he gets his players that he wants”. What? Huh? That was not the agreement any of us signed up for. Least of all JoMo.

I wish I could thumbs up more than once. People have lost their dang mind.