What football team is this?

[NTDawg]

Year record
2015 10-3
2016 8-5
2017 13-2

 

[Dawgbite]

Georgia?

 

[She Mate Me]

Those other Bulldogs.

 

[NTDawg]

Correct. 2015 was Richt and 2016 was Smart. I not saying that we are going 13-2 in 2019. I do believe that most under estimate the impact of coaching change regardless of how good your talent is.

 

[She Mate Me]

Correct. 2015 was Richt and 2016 was Smart. I not saying that we are going 13-2 in 2019. I do believe that most under estimate the impact of coaching change regardless of how good your talent is.

I AM saying that we're not going 13-2 in 2019, and honestly see no comparison.

 

[philduckworth]

cool.

 

[8dog]

This reminds me of “Beamer Defense” of Croom

 

[aTotal360]

Now compare their recruiting rankings to ours.

 

[NTDawg]

That is actually the point I making. They had a lot of talent on a team that went 8-5. They didn't go 8-5 because of a lack of talent or because of poor coaching but because of a change in head coach. I'm not saying Coach Moorhead is the best but I am saying that just because we went 8-5 doesn't mean he is bad. I think most people under estimate the impact of a new head coach even with great talent.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Let go after a 10-3 season. Definitely one of the rare cases when the grass was actually greener on the other side.

 

[OliveBranchDAWG]

Correct. 2015 was Richt and 2016 was Smart. I not saying that we are going 13-2 in 2019. I do believe that most under estimate the impact of coaching change regardless of how good your talent is.

While this comparison is a bit of a stretch, I do agree people underestimate the impact of a coaching change, and it usually takes a year to get fully adjusted.

Also, I appreciate your positivity but I’ve learned recently no one here wants to hear anything positive regarding MSU football. I’m sorry.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

That is actually the point I making. They had a lot of talent on a team that went 8-5. They didn't go 8-5 because of a lack of talent or because of poor coaching but because of a change in head coach. I'm not saying Coach Moorhead is the best but I am saying that just because we went 8-5 doesn't mean he is bad. I think most people under estimate the impact of a new head coach even with great talent.

You MUST be joking! If you have a bunch of talent, being the new coach is easy as hell. You just put pads on them, roll them out and automatically get 10 wins and beat Bama.

Piece of pie... Easy as cake.

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[Nama Carl]

While this comparison is a bit of a stretch, I do agree people underestimate the impact of a coaching change, and it usually takes a year to get fully adjusted.

Also, I appreciate your positivity but I’ve learned recently no one here wants to hear anything positive regarding MSU football. I’m sorry.

Please name something to be positive about. All I can come up with is the 2018 and 2019 recruiting classes, which were very good, but it will be a few years before we realize it. For 2019 and 2020, it is very difficult for me. I guess you can point to Ole Miss being down, and that we are likely going 6-6 or better, which is always good. But I am not particularly looking forward to 2020, which will most likely be a rebuilding year thanks to Mullen's gappy recruiting, but I am hopeful Moorhead will bridge this gap better than Mullen and his bad attitude would have.

But in other news, Alabama will probably go 15-0 and win another title, and our fans as a whole seem down, so there is really nothing we can do but just show up next year for games and hope it is good. I plan to do that, but I cannot guarantee myself that I will see a good product. I hope so, but who really knows.

I am certainly positive about the direction of the baseball program and sort of the basketball program. Football is just wait and see.

 

[Seinfeld]

I will readily admit that I was one of the ones that underestimated the impact of hiring not just a new coach, but one that was going to drill in an offense unlike anything these guys had done before.

The question is... Like Mullen’s 2010 season, will we see a big step in the right direction after another year of fine tuning or will we struggle offensively again this year? If Joe’s RPO starts to give us a glimpse of the future, I’ll be fine. On the other hand, if we take a step back with a new QB and while Hill continues to get 8-12 touches in big games, it’s going to be a problem

 

[She Mate Me]

While this comparison is a bit of a stretch, I do agree people underestimate the impact of a coaching change, and it usually takes a year to get fully adjusted.

Also, I appreciate your positivity but I’ve learned recently no one here wants to hear anything positive regarding MSU football. I’m sorry.

I, like many here, fully support and hope for the best from Moorhead.

You can do that and still be very concerned about the pathetic offensive performance we had against a number of good teams last year. It brought back many bad memories that Mullen had relegated to the back of my mind.

 

[Nama Carl]

I will readily admit that I was one of the ones that underestimated the impact of hiring not just a new coach, but one that was going to drill in an offense unlike anything these guys had done before.

The question is... Like Mullen’s 2010 season, will we see a big step in the right direction after another year of fine tuning or will we struggle offensively again this year? If Joe’s RPO starts to give us a glimpse of the future, I’ll be fine. On the other hand, if we take a step back with a new QB and while Hill continues to get 8-12 touches in big games, it’s going to be a problem

2 things:

1) Mullen's offense in 2009 was not bad, but that said, looked much better compared to Croom. Plus he had a different QB than what he needed, and it did get better in 2010, so there is hope.
2) I have my doubts that the players MSU typically gets can run the offense, specifically QB and WR. Everyone points toward Garrett Shrader. What happens when he graduates? Mullen's offense was great for this purpose, and in hindsight why I wish we had hired off of his tree, whether it was offense or defense. Hire Diaz or Collins, and then they can reach out and get Hudspeth or Gonzales to run the offense like Mullen did, at least in the short term.

I really hope Moorhead proves us all wrong, I really do, but I cannot escape the images of Cohen over-thinking baseball situations, and now seeing a clear indication that he over-thought the football hire. He initially wanted to keep it simple and hire a recruiter - which he probably should have done, a guy in the mold of Hayseed Pruitt, Diaz or Collins, but he started to listen to all the idiot experts out there and let them talk him out of common sense.

 

[Nama Carl]

I, like many here, fully support and hope for the best from Moorhead.

You can do that and still be very concerned about the pathetic offensive performance we had against a number of good teams last year. It brought back many bad memories that Mullen had relegated to the back of my mind.

Lets be real too, most of the good offensive plays we did make this year were made from an athletic standpoint, i.e. Fitzgerald making plays.

 

[Rockydawg]

https://youtu.be/6EBsLOJv-yI

 

[paindonthurt_]

QB and wide receivers aren’t the main concern for this offense.
It’s Oline.
But I think Jo will adjust accordingly.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

Correct. 2015 was Richt and 2016 was Smart. I not saying that we are going 13-2 in 2019. I do believe that most under estimate the impact of coaching change regardless of how good your talent is.

Smart also took about 1/4 of Bama’s roster with him to Athens.

 

[hoopscoach21]

QB and wide receivers aren’t the main concern for this offense.
It’s Oline.
But I think Jo will adjust accordingly.

I wouldn't say that our Oline is going to be dominant, but I think this is the first time I've seen someone overly concerned with it. And it's definitely the first time I've seen someone say it's the biggest position group of concern on offense.

Personally outside of linebacker and running back I'd probably put it as one of my more confident positions on the team. Probably tied with cornerback.

I'm much more concerned with DL depth, replacing 2 starters at safety, our abysmal returning production at WR, and our likely starting QB with a below 50% completion percentage.

 

[Nama Carl]

QB and wide receivers aren’t the main concern for this offense.
It’s Oline.
But I think Jo will adjust accordingly.

Regarding 2019, I disagree. It is all about QB and WR. Now let me add we certainly had some OL issues this past year and will have some again in 2019, but they were not THE concern. That was the WR and Moorhead's playcalling. Now we remove a senior QB and it gets compounded. I mean I have heard Keytaon only knew 5 plays. We will see though, conventional wisdom says he has had 2 springs and a fall in the offense, he should be ready to go as an upperclassman.

Looking forward into 2020, I agree that OL is a huge concern, we better pray that certain 4 star players pan out and we do not have injuries. I would like to ring Mullen's neck for creating this situation.

Latter part of 2021 and then 2022, this should be rectified.

 

[paindonthurt_]

This Oline in Mullen’s offense? Probably great.
That’s different than what JoMo is trying to do.
I’m just saying long term he is gonna need some nfl quality tackles to run this offense.