What did we learn week 6!?!?!

[Cross Bones]

Pretty sure I mentioned the Brooks blowout win. Hence they are a Top 2 team in the conference. Its not an automatic loss. Bradley was beating HF and LP? And LWC was within a score of HF and let it slip...which means those are all competitive games that could go either way. Maybe the Red should lower their competition bc thats what society likes to do these days. Go somewhere else where it can just be an easy 9-0 season. I'm sure the Red schools beat the Blue schools in other sports. And it kind of is about how close you get. Because if games are close and competitive with each team having a chance to win most of the time then thats about as fair as you're going to get. Plus aren't the crossovers dropping down to 2 games next season.

Part of me wants to play Andrew every year to exact some revenge from my days then I'm reminded that they beat us in 19 and the spring covid season doesn't count so I don't know if I'd get the satisfaction if we did play them.

 

[johnndoe]

I'm sure the Red schools beat the Blue schools in other sports. And it kind of is about how close you get. Because if games are close and competitive with each team having a chance to win most of the time then thats about as fair as you're going to get. Plus aren't the crossovers dropping down to 2 games next season.

In all the "other" sports, participation in the IHSA post-season in NOT based upon a win threshold. In this, the 3rd full season of the current cross-over system, W/L records show the Blue side wins close to 90% of the time which is far cry from "as fair as you're going to get." Dropping 1 cross-over sometime in the future is a small "fig leaf" covering an embarrassing set-up.

 

[cigaros]

That when Mt. Carmel turns the ball over early and can’t get the running game going they may be vulnerable? As MC fans boast of QB’s shattering records and player of the year honors, receivers doing the same…. All state junior running backs and a vicious defense to boot. If MC doesn’t learn to get the running game going early and control the clock better especially heading into the playoffs with cold and rainy weather all those things mean nothing. BR did a masterful job of taking every tick of the clock down to nothing this past Friday night and put themselves in a great position to win. I’d love to see MC start doing the same. Grind it out running the ball that opens up the pass. Eat the clock and keep the other offense off the field. That ‘19 team with Kenena Odeluga were masters of it. I’d like to see this ‘22 team start doing the same. All these yards gained through the air will only become more difficult as the cold weather comes to town. Just ask JJ McCarthy and the ‘19 Nazareth team.

In 2019, a 4A Rochester was bumped to 5A and trounced a 7A St. Rita while passing for 330+ yards on about 25 throws in the rain soaked frigid 5A Final. Don't discount the pass in the cooler temps. Only the teams who are imbalanced, and can ONLY throw in the warmth, will lose their passing attacks in the playoffs.

 

[FallVibez]

In all the "other" sports, participation in the IHSA post-season in NOT based upon a win threshold. In this, the 3rd full season of the current cross-over system, W/L records show the Blue side wins close to 90% of the time which is far cry from "as fair as you're going to get." Dropping 1 cross-over sometime in the future is a small "fig leaf" covering an embarrassing set-up.

But isn't it seating within a region? Meaning regardless you're playing tougher competition for not winning as much? Great you get in with a bunch of losses and get to play a game against the top in the area? Maybe I'm wrong on that. And I stated "this season" the games are far more competitive with the exception of 2 or 3. The arrangement was also probably agreed on when some of the Red schools were making deep playoff runs and LP and CS were down. So outside of a few teams it was more level of a playing field. So next yr LWW or Bradley may go 7-2? Thats bad? A lot of private schools go into the playoffs with 2-4 losses and make deep runs. Because they've been tested by larger schools and as we've seen the playoffs actually reward teams with a couple of losses a lot of the time. You face teams with easier schedules early and then get home games later on against tougher competition. Pretty sure teams like Marist and Loyola in 8A have hosted Semi games even after they've lost a few regular season games. Same with Provi some yrs when they play higher class teams in reg season and then play lower in the playoffs.

 

[Huskie2015]

Naz has lost to Marist, Lemont, Rita, NND not exactly push overs. But beat Kankakee. And Naz still starts 14-15 freshman/sophs. Future is bright as its ever been.

The level of talent at Montini is unfortunately down post Andriano and the Borselinos. The 2019 season was the last group of incoming freshman while Andriano was still coach. Bukovsky had been very successful over the years, hopefully he can rebound.

 

[johnndoe]

The division "arrangement" was made purely on enrollment with the 5 larger schools placed in the Blue. How did anyone think that was going to turn out regarding cross-overs? Average enrollment of the Blue schools is more than 1000 students higher that that of the Red this season. (Please spare me the Morton HS exception). Furthermore, take the average 2 Red losses to the Blue in cross-overs and add 1 stumble in the 4 league games or non-con and that puts a Red team at 6-3. That means travelling in Round 1 to either a 9-0 or highly-seeded 8-1. Look at the records of Red qualifiers to see how that has panned out.

But isn't it seating within a region? Meaning regardless you're playing tougher competition for not winning as much? Great you get in with a bunch of losses and get to play a game against the top in the area? Maybe I'm wrong on that. And I stated "this season" the games are far more competitive with the exception of 2 or 3. The arrangement was also probably agreed on when some of the Red schools were making deep playoff runs and LP and CS were down. So outside of a few teams it was more level of a playing field. So next yr LWW or Bradley may go 7-2? Thats bad? A lot of private schools go into the playoffs with 2-4 losses and make deep runs. Because they've been tested by larger schools and as we've seen the playoffs actually reward teams with a couple of losses a lot of the time. You face teams with easier schedules early and then get home games later on against tougher competition. Pretty sure teams like Marist and Loyola in 8A have hosted Semi games even after they've lost a few regular season games. Same with Provi some yrs when they play higher class teams in reg season and then play lower in the playoffs.

 

[Cross Bones]

The division "arrangement" was made purely on enrollment with the 5 larger schools placed in the Blue. How did anyone think that was going to turn out regarding cross-overs? Average enrollment of the Blue schools is more than 1000 students higher that that of the Red this season. (Please spare me the Morton HS exception). Furthermore, take the average 2 Red losses to the Blue in cross-overs and add 1 stumble in the 4 league games or non-con and that puts a Red team at 6-3. That means travelling in Round 1 to either a 9-0 or highly-seeded 8-1. Look at the records of Red qualifiers to see how that has panned out.

I want to see the crossovers ended, personally. But I don't know if it's the enrollment that is the issue. Let's say the Red were to switch places with the top 5 schools of the Dukane do we think the disparity in wins would be as high? Would there be a disparity at all? Yes, I know the Dukane left the larger schools of the DVC, but most people tend to think the Dukane is better than the DVC.

Also, there seems to be a rather large contingent here that think as you go down in class the classes actually get better. It's not uncommon to see people arguing that 7A is better than 8A, 6A is better than 7A, 5A is better than 6A, 4A is better than 5A etc. I think it's ridiculous, but dare I say most people here feel that way.

That is all.

 

[StormFire]

In all the "other" sports, participation in the IHSA post-season in NOT based upon a win threshold. In this, the 3rd full season of the current cross-over system, W/L records show the Blue side wins close to 90% of the time which is far cry from "as fair as you're going to get." Dropping 1 cross-over sometime in the future is a small "fig leaf" covering an embarrassing set-up.

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[FallVibez]

The division "arrangement" was made purely on enrollment with the 5 larger schools placed in the Blue. How did anyone think that was going to turn out regarding cross-overs? Average enrollment of the Blue schools is more than 1000 students higher that that of the Red this season. (Please spare me the Morton HS exception). Furthermore, take the average 2 Red losses to the Blue in cross-overs and add 1 stumble in the 4 league games or non-con and that puts a Red team at 6-3. That means travelling in Round 1 to either a 9-0 or highly-seeded 8-1. Look at the records of Red qualifiers to see how that has panned out.

You're right. Maybe the Joliets and Thorns would come back so the Red division can get 2 more wins by 30-40 pts? That would solve it.