It sure why you think this.
Seeing LW lose means that 1A north is open more this year which is a good thing for us fans.
Would have liked to see this years Chicago Hope in 1A north…but oh well.
What did we learn week 4!?!
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Seeing LW lose means that 1A north is open more this year which is a good thing for us fans.
Would have liked to see this years Chicago Hope in 1A north…but oh well.
Massey... today...
CPC 30-14 Brown County (10)
CPC 35-13 Tuscola (9)
CPC 32-21 Galena (8)
CPC 30-16 Casey-Westfield (7)
CPC 41-14 Clifton [Central] (6)
CPC 14-35 Lena-Winslow (5)
CPC 35-20 Gibson City (4)
CPC 30-20 Sterling [Newman Catholic] (3)
CPC 19-35 Stockton (2)
And since we know these sites use historical data, we can assume they're weighing Stockton/Lena heavier than the current year's actual team. Then there's the current instance, the mighty Stockton's opponents have won 3 games... Those 3 wins all came from one team, Lena-Winslow, who got dogged by Stockton. Sorry mate, the eyes tell me both look a little weaker this year. Meanwhile, CPC's opponents have gone 7-9... nothing to write home about, but certainly more respectable than 3-13 for Stockton's schedule to this point. CPC has given up only 14 pts including a shutout at home and on the road.
Idk mate, at this point it feels more like a disservice or slap in CPC's face to not assume they're the favorite in 1A at this exact moment in time considering they've won a tile recently, It took a 3A private dropping down to dismantle them last season, and they started this year in the top 3 right? Seems logical... I wouldn't rank the Vegas Raiders higher than the Eagles for the postseason just because they lost to the Raiders in a one-off. I won't crown Stockton anything until they go and win the thing, and let's be real honest here... they'll likely have to beat CPC to do it...
CPC 30-14 Brown County (10)
CPC 35-13 Tuscola (9)
CPC 32-21 Galena (8)
CPC 30-16 Casey-Westfield (7)
CPC 41-14 Clifton [Central] (6)
CPC 14-35 Lena-Winslow (5)
CPC 35-20 Gibson City (4)
CPC 30-20 Sterling [Newman Catholic] (3)
CPC 19-35 Stockton (2)
And since we know these sites use historical data, we can assume they're weighing Stockton/Lena heavier than the current year's actual team. Then there's the current instance, the mighty Stockton's opponents have won 3 games... Those 3 wins all came from one team, Lena-Winslow, who got dogged by Stockton. Sorry mate, the eyes tell me both look a little weaker this year. Meanwhile, CPC's opponents have gone 7-9... nothing to write home about, but certainly more respectable than 3-13 for Stockton's schedule to this point. CPC has given up only 14 pts including a shutout at home and on the road.
Idk mate, at this point it feels more like a disservice or slap in CPC's face to not assume they're the favorite in 1A at this exact moment in time considering they've won a tile recently, It took a 3A private dropping down to dismantle them last season, and they started this year in the top 3 right? Seems logical... I wouldn't rank the Vegas Raiders higher than the Eagles for the postseason just because they lost to the Raiders in a one-off. I won't crown Stockton anything until they go and win the thing, and let's be real honest here... they'll likely have to beat CPC to do it...
Funny that you say CP is the overwhelming #1 despite the computers having them multiple score underdogs to both Stockton and LeWin, even with Stockton's schedule so far. Stockton took it to LeWin, but they bounced back and handled a 4A playoff team in Rochelle. Despite Stockton's schedule, both Stockton and LeWin have more playoff points than CP and even with the loss MaxPreps has LeWin #1 in 1A.
Also, what does a recent title (2 years ago) have to do with this year?
Honestly, nothing at all 4Afan... but if websites we use to compare teams can use historical data, so can I, right?
I'm not here to argue. I just felt it quite odd, as I thought most would, that CPC was barely mentioned (maybe even not yet mentioned) in the conversation before I showed up... But they are the last true 1A team not named Lena-Winslow to win a 1A title. So it does hold some weight, just not much... same coaching staff. same program. some of the same underclassman now upperclassman.
The original comment I made was a response to someone saying Stockton was the overwhelming favorite at this point. Simply seemed like someone who forgot about CPC in that moment. That's all I was getting at. Then someone asked for me to expand, so I did. Don't like it? Who cares. CPC is still imo the favorite based on history, current record and stats, and their preseason ranking. It's no one else that should be on the 1 line for 1A right now. Which, I guess I always understood to be who "the favorite" was... whomever resided on the 1 line currently, right?
Also, what Massey did provide us was a clear path for CPC in 1A south... they'll be at state, playing whichever team you think is currently better. I will make that bet.
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Where is CP on the 1 line? If you're citing the AP I question your credibility being that they couldn't be bothered to put out rankings this week because someone was on vacation.
MaxPreps has LeWin at #1 in 1A and Massey has Stockton at #64 in the state and LeWin at #66, CP is #141. Also, Massey has CP's SOS in the 400's where Stockton and LeWin are both in the 100's.
Taking nothing away from CP, they'll make a good run, but I can't say they're head and shoulders above the rest of 1A at this point.
People give these rating site too much credit... Both time EStL played Cary Grove EStL was the overwhelming favorite and both times they lost. 1A is loaded and should be fun to watch but, there is not a clear favorite and over the next few weeks we will know much more than we know presently! Enjoy the ride boys!~
They aren't. And I didn't say they were currently on any 1 line. But they have been up near #1 for like 6 straight years. It's meant to read I'm just throwing my opinion out that I think they "should" be on the 1 line. I don't care what poll you look at for HS FB, they're all pretty bad. I also never said they were head and shoulders above the rest. I did say it wasn't close and not to let the northern guys try and convince you otherwise, but that was more tongue in cheek. Sorry you misread it. I just said if history means anything, and if current rankings mean anything, and if current records and stats that I can physically see from where I'm sitting mean anything... CPC deserves the 1 line AT THIS MOMENT... I've said that already I know. Again, I'm not here to argue with you... my involvement here was due to another poster claiming Stockton was #1 and it wasn't close... paraphrased, obviously. I do not agree. That's all bud. The rest is pomp and circumstance honestly. I was just saying that Stockton beating Lena doesn't automatically make them the best in the state in class 1A.
I understand the bias that comes with y'all up north when we start comparing football programs. We get it... you're all just head and shoulders better than the rest on average compared to us corn lickers down here in the south. But CPC has literally beaten Lena in a title game... I find it more telling that others, not necessarily you 4Afan, dismiss CPC almost every year bc they don't play in the NUIC... just ******* silly honestly.
CPC will represent the south in 1A at state... go ahead and book it. 2nd time I've said it now. Hard to argue the ONE team in the entire class (1A) that we can confidently say "SHOULD BE AT STATE" isn't the favorite at this point. That's my argument, I guess.
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Maybe after they dismantle BC you'll all see the writing on the wall...
Then again at that point some blow hard from Dakota or something will try and convince me even Galena is better than CPC too bc they're in the NUIC or something... happens every year. Historical success is enough for Stockton and Lena just not CPC or anyone outside their bubble. And since the IHSA won't seed us 1-32 like any normal human being would, we'll never know. That's all I've ever learned from the NUIC/Northern 1A crowd.
I mean the NUIC does have 16 titles in 1A or 2A since 2000, so they've kinda earned the benefit of the doubt.
As someone who watches a ton of 1A Stockton and Lena are undisputedly the heavy 1A Favorites. That said 1A south is very interesting I think 1A South goes through the 3 WIVC Teams in CPC BC and Hardin Calhoun with teams like Casey and Tuscola just a tier lower but could make the title game if things break right. We will learn more about BC and CPC next week as they play each other. Then Hardin Calhoun will get what SHOULD be only real test in BC in Week 9.
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Oh I get it... I'm not saying they're wrong for it. Just saying it happens. But it's also a terrible argument for "Stockton is the favorite in 1A and isn't even close." If you agree with that statement, which is the part I've been discussing, then there's really nothing we can do here. If no one up there can judge themselves against the rest of 1A without bias, then what's the point of even bringing it up? A "clear favorite" to me means a team we can almost guarantee will be at state... We can't claim Stockton or Lena are for sure yet bc of the game between them... we can however confidently say CPC will likely be the rep from the South. Sorry Hardin, Sorry BC... even the computers know you're HEAVY underdogs to CPC. So when CPC is representing the south in 1A at state, I don't think my comments will be that far off base guys. Logic tells me the only SURE THING we have currently is CPC winning 1A south and going to the title game. I firmly believe that.
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In all seriousness, I'm thoroughly enjoying this 1A talk! I looked up on google maps where these schools are located. I had no idea!
If a Northern team sleeps on CPC they will get trucked!
They don't sleep on em once they get to state, they just dismiss their existence until it's forced upon them in the playoffs. Something I've noticed remains a "1A thing." I guess it's part of the newer closed-conference setup. They play up in their vacuum conferences and assume that makes them the goats... until the last couple years when a 3A team dropped down and Lena got suckered by Brad Dixon's Panthers... I don't even know why I'm advocating for CPC... I don't root for that Adams County team! But I do respect 'em... anyone from our area going to deep in the playoffs consistently deserves some extra credit from the locals.
And again, for what it's worth, seeding our playoffs top to bottom the same, 1-32 would fix a lot of this conversation.
I get what you're sayin and they are biased up North, those damn Yankees, but they have won a lot of championships. CPC is a clear and present danger to any North bracket team and so is Hardin Calhoun. We will have to wait and see...They don't sleep on em once they get to state, they just dismiss their existence until it's forced upon them in the playoffs. Something I've noticed remains a "1A thing." I guess it's part of the newer closed-conference setup. They play up in their vacuum conferences and assume that makes them the goats... until the last couple years when a 3A team dropped down and Lena got suckered by Brad Dixon's Panthers... I don't even know why I'm advocating for CPC... I don't root for that Adams County team! But I do respect 'em... anyone from our area going to deep in the playoffs consistently deserves some extra credit from the locals.
And again, for what it's worth, seeding our playoffs top to bottom the same, 1-32 would fix a lot of this conversation.
Well if you wait for Illinois to do the best thing you can wait until Hell freezes over!!!! Every class should be seeded 1-32!
Playoffs are gonna be earned, if achieved.
Collinsville (2-2 - played nearly the same schedule as Althoff)
Mater Dei (1-4)
St. Mary's South Side (2-2 - notable losses IC prep 33-7, Brad Bourban 35-22)
Kaneland (4-1 - TOUGH game, but at our place again ... COOL!)
Collinsville (2-2 - played nearly the same schedule as Althoff)
Mater Dei (1-4)
St. Mary's South Side (2-2 - notable losses IC prep 33-7, Brad Bourban 35-22)
Kaneland (4-1 - TOUGH game, but at our place again ... COOL!)
In my humble opinion, I would currently rank them as follows:
1. Stockton (5-0)
2. Camp Point Central (5-0)
3. Lena-Winslow (4-1)
4. Hardin-Calhoun (5-0)
5. Brown County (5-0)
6. Wethersfield (5-0)
7. Casey Westfield (5-0)
8. Athens (4-1)
If Colfax or Newman Catholic drop down to 1A they will be threats, but not favorites to win the championship. Tuscola is a long-shot.
So, for the most part I agree with you; but I would note that the last time they played, Camp Point Central beat Lena-Winslow. Also, just last year Hardin-Calhoun defeated Camp Point Central. I do not think the differences in ability between these teams are as large as they used to be.
LeWin is #2 in my opinion. CPC has a whopping 17 playoff points and their remaining opponents are a combined 6-14, 5 wins coming from Brown County and their last 3 opponents are 1-14.