Having watched their games, I believe the offense is legit. Defense seems like it is questionable though.
What did we learn week 3!?!?!?!
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Then do tell us the last time the ramblers scheduled anyone from the top 25 not named East St. Louis. Top 25 in the country, not Illinois. Please tell us the last time Saint Rita scheduled anyone from the top 50 not from Illinois. Please tell us the last time anyone from Rice scheduled anyone from the top hundred not from Illinois. at least Mount Carmel is stepping outside of the box.
I gave two examples in which East St. Louis went to the super team of Mount Carmel and gave them their closest game of the year. Mount Carmel went on to lose to Hun this year, a squad East St. Louis is predicted to beat. Why is IMG not visiting a CCL school with the opportunity of maybe playing in one of your fantastic locations up north? I suspect the answer is because they don’t respect a CCL school’s ability to stay close. Lest you forget, the best quarterback in the last 10 years to come out of the CCL escaped Illinois for IMG so as not to damage his chances at Michigan, and as a potential first rounder. The CCL has created an almost closed environment which reeks of inbreeding of competition. Yes I said it. Schedule outside of the norm with nationally elite programs. ESL is doing exactly that. Mount Carmel is Bucky in the trend and making the move as well. The rest of the CCL not so much.
All while competing in the rugged 6A level of the IHSA.
Couldn't agree more. Why doesn't anyone schedule MO CBC or Rockhurst ... besides ESL? They are always looking for out of state opponents.
Maybe some Naz ppl can chime in but I thought JJ left for IMG because Illinois was cancelling football that season due to covid?
As opposed to playing in 8a, going 9-0 or 8-1 then getting boatraced in the playoffs at home? There's alot of programs who can take shots at ESL and have the resumes to back it up, but SE aint one of them.
Since you seem to want to take shots at the level of competition ESL plays, the past two years SE has had to common SWC with ESL. At home vs Belleville East and Edwardsville. You guys won 28-20 and 24-13 respectively. ESL won those game 58-0 and 57-0.
The argument is strength of schedule. Simply look below and tell me ESL schedule is tougher.
Reminding you, the comment made initially was that ESL plays the toughest schedule in the state. I disagree.
ESL hasn't lost a conference game since 2015. Their conference simply isn't close to the CCL Blue.
also, JJ went to IMG because Naz wasn't going to have a season.
ESL Schedule
Chicago (Mt. Carmel)
Baltimore (St. Frances Academy), MD
Humble (Atascocita), TX
Belleville (East)
O'Fallon (H.S.)
Belleville (West)
Alton (Sr.)
Edwardsville (H.S.)
Forfeit
Lemont (H.S.)
Normal (community West)
Kankakee (Sr.)
Washington
Cary (Grove)
MC Schedule
East St. Louis (Sr.)
Chicago (Morgan Park)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Chicago (St. Rita)
Mundelein (Carmel)
Chicago (Brother Rice)
Oak Park (Fenwick)
New Lenox (Providence Catholic)
Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
Chicago (St. Rita)
Mt. Prospect (Prospect)
Quincy (Sr.)
Batavia
Downers Grove (North)
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MC and LA routinely run through the CCL yet, their fans swear its competitive. When was the last time Rita, BR, PC or any other team won the Blue besides MC or LA. It is pure nonsense. The CCL is only GREAT to the members of the conference. Most people in other conferences simply don't feel like going back and forth so they keep quiet and let you believe that the conference itself is so tough. The CCL is top heavy just like any other conference in the state.
Batavia was the toughest team for MC in the playoffs. I think if CG, Kankakee and possibly Lemont play that playoff schedule MC had they all get to the championship game. Batavia would be the only one that give them a game.
Wasn't it just the year before they were beating ESL until the very end of the semis ?
I think this whole argument you started is
a) ridiculous
b) thick with irony considering the meltdown you had last year when I mentioned SE history
In the article I posted, that was one of the reasons. However, staying sharp and upping the game for the kid was most important. I was literally quoting an article from your local paper.
That’s good. I used Mount Carmel as the example of how to do it as well. Now show me the rest of the CCL doing it. And don’t tell me you’re gonna send Loyola up to Grand Rapids to play Catholic Central again. That was a joke of a game. I’m talking top 25 top 50 or top 100 in the nation. And then let’s see the rest of the CCL do that as well. It’s time to put the inbreeding type of scheduling away. That is, if the CCL is really all that. I see teams from Michigan doing it consistently. Some of my family in Texas have kids in programs doing this as well. Meanwhile, every year, the flyers are traveling somewhere out of state to play a top 25 program. Sometimes they lose badly. And sometimes they do quite well. Why isn’t the CCL doing the same?
And ESL beat them the year before 42-21 so so what??? They still not tough and they play in a horrible conference.
The CCL in recent history has basically won 1/2 of the state titles up for grabs in football. Seems like a decent conference to me…
In 5A the final four last year was an entirely CCL affair. And yes, those “5A schools” likely blow the doors off most 7A / 8A teams.
Just being honest and no disrespect to the Flyers or the Flyers faithful. I think. The real reason people have a hard time understanding the ESL national schedule is because when they get back in Illinois for the 6A playoffs and lose to a 6A Cary Grove it’s kind of a head scratcher. IMO
Yes. I didn't mean esl pulled away at the end. But the game was close from opening kickoff to final buzzer.
No disrespect taken and there is no shame in losing to a great program like Cary-Grove. The only thing people need to understand is this. For some of these kids, it might be their only chance to travel, meet different types of folks, and experience different parts of the country. What they see and deal with on a daily basis is unbearable to most.
I'm glad we have decided the CCL sucks, pls no complaining about classifications when the playoffs come around and there's 4+ CCL teams in the title games again
That’s not the conference, that’s two schools. Also Naz is ESCC. So we claiming super conferences and comparing them to 6 team conference?
That’s a stretch.
yes because there is no ESCC anymore, somebody help grandpa back to his la-z-boy http://www.chicagocatholicleague.com/static.asp?path=2854
And for the record, Rita won the prep bowl last year
Rita lost to Rochester!! Stop it! No grandpa here! I know exactly what I am saying.yes because there is no ESCC anymore, somebody help grandpa back to his la-z-boy http://www.chicagocatholicleague.com/static.asp?path=2854
And for the record, Rita won the prep bowl last year
Can we leave Cascia out of this discussion!!!! LOL!
Chicago Casica has to focus on Wheaton Spartan!
Chicago Casica has to focus on Wheaton Spartan!
Now he may have took advantage of an opportunity to get out cleanly but JJ McCarthy swears to the high heavens that he would not have gone to IMG had IL not cancelled the 2020 season.
Serious question here, I’ve asked it before but outside of “it’s been answered to death” I truly have no idea so I’ll ask again who bankrolls ESL? I know they don’t raise travel expenses doing car washes and selling popcorn and peanut brittle. It’s not a wealthy community so someone is flipping the bill. I honestly think MC would love to play a national power on the road but if you are talking a plane ride and hotel for 70 players and 12 coaches and additional staff that’s an enormous fee that their typical fundraiser wouldn’t come close to covering. Most CCL schools are fighting and clawing these days. MC can’t spend tens of thousands on a weekend trip when 450 of their students dont even play football.
Big Mama's is actually a front for funding the Flyer Football program. Cakes are more profitable than peanut brittle.
2018 BR won the Blue. They made it to the State Championship and lost to Loyola from the Blue. 2019 MC won State over fellow CCL Naz (they were not ESCC in 2019 that was the merger year). 2021 Rita took second in the State from the Blue. 2022 MC and Loyola won State from the Blue, same in 2023. Although not in the Blue 2022 PC took second, So I think we are pretty great to more then outside our CCL Conference. Lot of trophies and rings
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Well said.
And ditto for JCA. They're never going to have that kind of money unless I become a billionaire, or one of our other alumni does.
As well as LWE, Batavia, ESl, CG, PR, Rochester, SHG, Main South and several others. The top teams in every conference can compete with anyone. This notion that playing in the CCL makes you superior is nonsense. Winning at any level is difficult. A win is a win.