What did Harvey Dent say?

HD6

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Apr 8, 2003
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You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. How did I become the one defending the coaching staff? What a turnaround.

I honestly do think this team will turn it around and end up in a bowl, and I think that 2017 will be a good season for MSU. But I also think if it doesn't turn around, Mullen has to coach for his job in 2017. You can't let what happened under Jackie happen again.
 

TBone.sixpack

Redshirt
Feb 2, 2011
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I want you to be right so badly. We are 1/3 through the football season and this has sucked. Feels like the old days when we were ready for basketball to save us.
 

engie

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May 29, 2011
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But we are pissed when people leave... and also when people stay...

its a long season...
 

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
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It piqued my interest in the other thread when you said you predicted 7-5 and wouldn't be mad at 6-6. We're in the same boat on that.

Just curious where those other 4 wins come from.

I only see 2.5 (UK, Samford, and a victory over BYU or Auburn). I don't see us winning a game a November.
 

HotMop

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Don't forget, we dominated that Sun Belt Conference school so we already have 3...oh wait.
 

boatsandhoes

Junior
Sep 6, 2012
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I'm really fine with mullen in the majority of things. Don't think he should be fired. Everyone has a rough year every now and again. We live in a tough neighborhood, and there is no middle ground so it gets to black and white real fast. we're the runt of the litter, either we get tough or we die of starvation.

There are a few things that drive me nuts:
RB play/personnel - if the others can't play then why aren't they being developed....or why did we sign them in the first place.
The oline - 1 bad year is an anomoly, two is a trend, three is lack of coaching or ability. we have always been able to run it and smash ppl with big uglies...what changed? we're passive up front.
effort - I think most people would be ok with us losing playing with our hair on fire. We are not doing that.

we are not going to recruit all world, but we can't even get an Oline that is serviceable? Really? I don't believe that.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

All-Conference
May 28, 2007
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Hey, I want Mullen to succeed because when he pours himself into football we get excellent results. It just seems like he is lacking motivation and his worst attributes (attitude and loyalty to incompetent buddies) are dragging our program down. It's possible to go to a bowl game still, but this was always going to be a year with a tight margin for error, with a tough OOC game at BYU, always strong SECW, and a dearth of skill players, especially on the offensive side. We blew through that margin with the USA loss and we're up against the rail the rest of the season.

Mullen really needs to do two things to succeed. First is he needs to accept that Mississippi State is an excellent place to start and finish a decades long coaching career, as he's getting paid an incredible amount of money. Second is he needs to fire his buddies and hire competent positions coaches who can recruit, especially if he doesn't want to do much of the recruiting. The number of assistants is capped by the NCAA and Hevesy and Sallach have been earning well over their value for 8 years. If they haven't broken through to the next level by now, they never will. So can them. (Sounding like a broken record, I know).

The good news is there isn't a DGAF attitude from the players like we saw in 2003. Sure they may not play well, but anyone who watched the 2001-03 teams in great detail, especially the 2003 team, knows just how little effort Jackie's final teams were putting in. I'm not seeing that here, so there's hope.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Exactly. Until I see us play better, I just don't think we are good enough to win four more.
 

Dawgtini

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I honestly do think this team will turn it around and end up in a bowl, and I think that 2017 will be a good season for MSU. But I also think if it doesn't turn around, Mullen has to coach for his job in 2017. You can't let what happened under Jackie happen again.

I don't often agree with you General, but when I do it's because you're right. I have seen this team play well enough to win 8 games this year, unfortunately, I have seen them play so poorly at times that I am excited we have 2 wins already. IF, IF they can harness the consistency needed to keep the valleys of poor play from being so low, I have hope that they can go 3-1 or 4-0 in the next 4 games. What I am saying is I think there is still a chance.
 
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I think that 2017 will be a good season for MSU.

Honest Question: What would be a "good season" in 2017?

If we go 7-6 with wins against Bowl Opponent, Kentucky, Ole Miss & OOC is that a good season in your eyes?

What's the worst record we can have that would still be considered a good season?
 

Shamoan

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Bane said " oh, so you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark...i was born in it."

lets not get our backs broken trying to escape into something we think is a strength.

Penguin said "Why is there always someone that brings eggs and tomatoes to a speech?"

one way to kick up a plane old tomato is to splash some dales on it.
 

HD6

Sophomore
Apr 8, 2003
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I would disappointed in that. I see 2017 as a possible 9 win season.
 

MaroonNation

Redshirt
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How did I become the one defending the coaching staff? What a turnaround.

You got Bob'd. That free seat in the press box has made you soft. The masses are hungry and you are the government cheese.
 
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Bulldogg31

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Brian I could not agree more. The people who talk about firing Mullen (for any reason) this year aren't living in reality. That said, if he goes backward next year as well, then replacing him is absolutely on the table.

Interesting that Mullen's name has been listed as a candidate for the LSU job by a ton of pundits. It would be the most Mississippi State thing ever for Mullen to land that job while the short sighted among our fans are calling for his head.

In Baton Rouge Mullen would land Top 10 classes every year, and if anybody could fix their QB issues fixed, it's him.

Give Mullen a job like that and he might win a national title.
 

Moe Cabelle

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Feb 16, 2016
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Good lord, man... can't you at least wait until after this year before you start fretting over next year? Seriously, so much of this year is to be determined. And what's your point? This year determines whether DM will be on the hot seat next year, but until that point... you're just worrying over nothing.
 

dannyripms

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It's just really frustrating because every once in a while you can see the potential. I believe we are talented enough. The oline has to get better. More than anything it's everybody making small mistakes at the wrong time. Saban has always been a perfectionist and pays attention to small details. I believe Dan needs to hire a offensive cord and he needs to fire know and hevesy. If we don't win next 4 we aren't going bowling. That southern game really hurt.
 

philduckworth

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I would disappointed in that. I see 2017 as a possible 9 win season.

How? We lose our best playmaker at WR in Ross. That leaves us with Gray and not much else. We lose 3 starters on the O-line. Still have the same RB's.

On Defense we lose 4 key players on the D-line. We have the odd year schedule of LSU and Bama at home. I just don't see it.
 

HD6

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Apr 8, 2003
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Fitzgerald will be a year older and better. We'll clear out the clutter at running back with Holloway and Shumpert gone. Ross is the only wide receiver/tight end we lose. We'll return Jenkins, Rankin and Calhoun and add Tommy Champion who I think will be good. Defensively, we'll replace James with Simmons (upgrade) and I think Montez Sweat will be a capable replacement for AJ. As far as the schedule, I think Ole Miss will be a win next year, and unless LSU is playing a true freshman QB, I don't see how they are better after losing Fournette.
 

philduckworth

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Fitzgerald will be a year older and better. We'll clear out the clutter at running back with Holloway and Shumpert gone. Ross is the only wide receiver/tight end we lose. We'll return Jenkins, Rankin and Calhoun and add Tommy Champion who I think will be good. Defensively, we'll replace James with Simmons (upgrade) and I think Montez Sweat will be a capable replacement for AJ. As far as the schedule, I think Ole Miss will be a win next year, and unless LSU is playing a true freshman QB, I don't see how they are better after losing Fournette.

Yikes, predicting an LSU win? Sweat projects to replace Calvin at Viper, not sure who will replace AJ and his production at 3-4 DE. Going to be tough to stop those Wide outs at Ole Miss. We won't have a receiver that could crack their Top 8. Agree that Fitz should be better, but that's all that I agree with. Hope you are right.
 

HD6

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Apr 8, 2003
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I always project up a spot, that is, you look at Chris Jones, thought he'd be an end, he's a tackle. Same with Simmons. Sweat projects as a viper, so I'll go ahead and assume he'll end up at DE.
 

philduckworth

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I always project up a spot, that is, you look at Chris Jones, thought he'd be an end, he's a tackle. Same with Simmons. Sweat projects as a viper, so I'll go ahead and assume he'll end up at DE.

Difference being Sweat is a Juco and has a slimmer frame. Everyone projected Simmons as a DT. NT surprised me a little, but no one thought he would be a DE. Some did on Jones, but he was about 300 pounds the second he arrived on campus.
 

HD6

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Apr 8, 2003
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I see Alabama running 290 pound defensive ends in their 3-4 scheme, and that's how I envisioned Simmons.
 

johnson86-1

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Fitzgerald will be a year older and better. We'll clear out the clutter at running back with Holloway and Shumpert gone. Ross is the only wide receiver/tight end we lose. We'll return Jenkins, Rankin and Calhoun and add Tommy Champion who I think will be good. Defensively, we'll replace James with Simmons (upgrade) and I think Montez Sweat will be a capable replacement for AJ. As far as the schedule, I think Ole Miss will be a win next year, and unless LSU is playing a true freshman QB, I don't see how they are better after losing Fournette.

I remember in 2011 when Mullen debuted his innovative 4 OL and a mannequin strategy. I know he's have 5 years to work on it, but I'm still not too optimistic about it.
 

HD6

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I'm not sure who will be center next year. I think it will be Darryl Williams, who by recruiting profile has better offers than everybody except Rankin.
 
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