What could have Frost done different?

[bigboxes]

A loss is a loss. It's down in the books.

We have all sorts of excuses.

*young talent
*lack of player buy-in
*new system
*injuries
*OL suckage
*unreported injuries
*attrition

Obviously, these are games that Frost needs to win on a regular basis, regardless of having all the pieces for a championship team. He won't get to the Harbaugh level until he wins the games against lessor conference foes. What should Frost have done differently to win the IU game?

 

[MOHUSKER]

A loss is a loss. It's down in the books.

We have all sorts of excuses.

*young talent
*lack of player buy-in
*new system
*injuries
*OL suckage
*unreported injuries
*attrition

Obviously, these are games that Frost needs to win on a regular basis, regardless of having all the pieces for a championship team. He won't get to the Harbaugh level until he wins the games against lessor conference foes. What should Frost have done differently to win the IU game?

Found a year of eligibility, bulked up and played LB? We aren’t a good team, Vedral’s fumble and recovery that went the other way was huge, probably the difference in the game. Maybe Frost should have tackled the guy himself. You have a group of kids that are playing hero ball, Vedral should have ate the ball, Noa needed to cover up the ball before his fumble, defenders need to be able to make the simple play before the spectacular play. From the outside in there are players out there playing for themselves, they are probably the best players we have, but they don’t make the best teammates or team. Trying to say place 18-19 year olds in to fix these issues seems simple but it likely isn’t.

 

[HuskAir]

Probably should have hit up the JUCO route a little bit harder from day one. Probably shouldn’t have brought an entire coaching staff from CUSA with him, when he had the AD’s blessing to go after anyone. There’s a coaching gap and a talent gap, IMO- perfect storm for a 5-7 season.

Of course these are from a 30,000 foot view of the team in general, not just the IU game.

 

[Suhrreal]

Won't be popular to say, but #44 really hurt us a lot yesterday. He probably should not be playing this much until he learns his assignments.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

I went hiking, with a cute girl. We brought wine, drank it next to the river and watched the sun go down, it was awesome.

To answer your question, IDK. I went hiking.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Won't be popular to say, but #44 really hurt us a lot yesterday.

He made mistakes, but no more so than every OLB has made in losing contain all year, I think Chins defense relies upon disruptive OLB and safeties, we have neither, we are closer at safety but way behind at OLB.

 

[Headcard]

Not sure from the stand point of simply the IU game. We knew we would be without AM and Mo. Knew Wandale was banged up and still put together an offensive plan that racked up yards and points. Should have he took a more hands on approach to the defensive game plan? IDK how realistic that is, week to week. Big picture the defensive staff, vision and philosophy need addressed. But as far as the IU game, we needed to cover better and avoid the costly TO’s.

 

[Suhrreal]

He made mistakes, but no more so than every OLB has made in losing contain all year, I think Chins defense relies upon disruptive OLB and safeties, we have neither, we are closer at safety but way behind at OLB.

He is just one of many examples of players not being disciplined in their assignments. They put him in for some critical downs and IU punished us accordingly.

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Whichever Davis twin back talked Frost should have been booted off the field. That was total lack of respect, pure b/s. His *** would not be on my team.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

hired a staff with at least a sliver of power 5 coaching experience

 

[MOHUSKER]

He is just one of many examples of players not being disciplined in their assignments. They put him in for some critical downs and IU punished us accordingly.

Agreed, there is an obvious lack of trust and cohesion across the D, we need a reboot there for sure. Definitely at a player level, maybe coaches also.

 

[SRURock24]

A loss is a loss. It's down in the books.

We have all sorts of excuses.

*young talent
*lack of player buy-in
*new system
*injuries
*OL suckage
*unreported injuries
*attrition

Obviously, these are games that Frost needs to win on a regular basis, regardless of having all the pieces for a championship team. He won't get to the Harbaugh level until he wins the games against lessor conference foes. What should Frost have done differently to win the IU game?

Not much. He inherited a roster that was decimated by bad recruiting. Until the cupboard is restocked the team will struggle. Bigger rebuild than most people realized.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Whichever Davis twin back talked Frost should have been booted off the field. That was total lack of respect, pure b/s. His *** would not be on my team.

Nobody question master, just go work and keep your head down. Right?

 

[CatColumbia]

This staff is very green and it’s becoming obvious. Unpopular opinion by majority here but as a staff, we’re in the bottom half of the big 10. Frost might be an offensive wiz but there are other components. Our O-Line has been bad, defensive coordinator is always playing checkers rather than chess and our special teams? Do we even have a guy coaching that unit ? Average coaching is going to lead to average results. This years schedule is easy enough to get 7-8 wins, even with this roster and our starting QB out. It will be a miracle if we can get 6. We’re going to have to need Purdue and Maryland to practically give those games away.

so where do we go from here? My take is keep the staff intact and let them have 4 years. My guess though is that it won’t end pretty and folks here are going to be livid if we don’t make a bowl this year.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

Nobody question master, just go work and keep your head down. Right?

If you have a problem, you talk about it in private. Just like anywhere else. The whole world doesn't need to know you disagree with x, y or z.

 

[MOHUSKER]

If you have a problem, you talk about it in private. Just like anywhere else. The whole world doesn't need to know you disagree with x, y or z.

Is that how the coaches do it? In private?

 

[Swiv3D]

Whichever Davis twin back talked Frost should have been booted off the field. That was total lack of respect, pure b/s. His *** would not be on my team.

Both Davis twins are the dumbasses Frost was talking about. Think they're hot **** on a 4-4 team. Their roughing the passer hits weren't even relatively close to clean. Selfish is the only way to describe them

 

[CameronKrazie86]

Is that how the coaches do it? In private?

They should, yes. I disagree entirely with any philosophy that involves a coach lighting up a player in public unless it was something so stupid or uncalled for. I know I wouldn't want to play for a coach who wants to embarrass me every time I make a mistake.

 

[jeans15]

Nobody question master, just go work and keep your head down. Right?

Gtfo


The Davis Twins are garbage and their play reflects that and their stupid plays reflect that.

Csnt stand ******** like you

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I went hiking, with a cute girl. We brought wine, drank it next to the river and watched the sun go down, it was awesome.

To answer your question, IDK. I went hiking.

This ALMOST sounds like the start to a horror movie.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Gtfo


The Davis Twins are garbage and their play reflects that and their stupid plays reflect that.

Csnt stand ******** like you

Calling people who are far more talented than you garbage? Who’s the *******?

 

[bigboxes]

This ALMOST sounds like the start to a letter to Penthouse Forum.

FIFY

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Right! Last week he threw a punch that cost the team 15 yds. Player insolence towards a coach can never be tolerated, period.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I think you go get a Venebles staffer, Defense can always be fixed much much faster than offense.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

FIFY

Ha! He just needed to start it with "Dear Penthouse...I never thought this would happen to be, but"

 

[Bleed Husker Red]

Get rid of the upperclassmen that dont buy in or bench them and play the young talent and we lose games with players like Nelson not sealing the edge at the end of the game. All that equals pissed off fans

Do what he is doing and try to win and balance it all while trying to build his culture, we lose games. All that equals pissed off fans.

Go JUCO only a few pan out delays your culture install rebuild stalls equals pissed off fans.

Fire a bunch of coaches, short term fans are giddy. Season starts, players are clueless, dont buy into the culture quit on the staff, equals pissed off fans

I think he has no choice but hope some of those buying in rub off on those not and it results in wins. I just dont see how firing coaches helps I think it only makes us worse. We just need to keep recruiting players that have the fire two win. It is the long game, can we survive it all?

 

[bshirt73]

He made mistakes, but no more so than every OLB has made in losing contain all year, I think Chins defense relies upon disruptive OLB and safeties, we have neither, we are closer at safety but way behind at OLB.

Hmmmm......yes that makes a lot of good sense. Very good post sir.

 

[MOHUSKER]

They should, yes. I disagree entirely with any philosophy that involves a coach lighting up a player in public unless it was something so stupid or uncalled for. I know I wouldn't want to play for a coach who wants to embarrass me every time I make a mistake.

I agree in general, but sometimes conflict is unavoidable and must be addressed immediately. It’s a physical, emotional game. I’d rather see players who care to fight and scrap over pouting and quitting.

 

[Swiv3D]

Calling people who are far more talented than you garbage? Who’s the *******?

This is always the most idiotic angle to take an argument. You dont have to be a 5 star chef to know that a meal is terrible, just like you don't have to play or coach to know a football player is overrated

 

[MOHUSKER]

This is always the most idiotic angle to take an argument. You dont have to be a 5 star chef to know that a meal is terrible, just like you don't have to play or coach to know a football player is overrated

Still doesn’t mean you aren’t an *******. The Davis twins were recruited by Pelini, have been coached by a different DL coach basically every year. They could have transferred out, they stuck and have played. Mistakes made? Bad judgment at times? Yes, but calling them garbage is BS.

 

[Swiv3D]

Still doesn’t mean you aren’t an *******. The Davis twins were recruited by Pelini, have been coached by a different DL coach basically every year. They could have transferred out, they stuck and have played. Mistakes made? Bad judgment at times? Yes, but calling them garbage is BS.

When they're acting like asshats then it's warranted. Getting suspended for stupid ****, cussing at your coach who's pissed you're doing stupid ****, and continuing to do stupid **** is garbage. If they were just merely under-performing without the stupid **** it'd be different

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

A loss is a loss. It's down in the books.

We have all sorts of excuses.

*young talent
*lack of player buy-in
*new system
*injuries
*OL suckage
*unreported injuries
*attrition

Obviously, these are games that Frost needs to win on a regular basis, regardless of having all the pieces for a championship team. He won't get to the Harbaugh level until he wins the games against lessor conference foes. What should Frost have done differently to win the IU game?

I think everyone would feel better about this season if he didn’t help feed the hype coming into this year. Really if you look at our roster, the level of play shouldn’t be surprising.

 

[MOHUSKER]

When they're acting like asshats then it's warranted. Getting suspended for stupid ****, cussing at your coach who's pissed you're doing stupid ****, and continuing to do stupid **** is garbage. If they were just merely under-performing without the stupid **** it'd be different

One got suspended for a bad decision, a different twin was in a discussion with a coach on the sideline. They are individuals, they have gone through a ton and stuck it out through some bad times in Lincoln. Their reward is to be called garbage by the “greatest” fans in football.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

When they're acting like asshats then it's warranted. Getting suspended for stupid ****, cussing at your coach who's pissed you're doing stupid ****, and continuing to do stupid **** is garbage. If they were just merely under-performing without the stupid **** it'd be different

If Frost continues to play players that do stupid stuff the culture doesn’t change. And it is no longer anyone fault other than the one that continues to put them on the field. If Starter A and B don’t get taken off the field for punching an opponent or having a heated discussion with the head coach, Back Up A and B have no incentive to “do the right thing”. The precedent is set.

 

[catch54]

Found a year of eligibility, bulked up and played LB? We aren’t a good team, Vedral’s fumble and recovery that went the other way was huge, probably the difference in the game. Maybe Frost should have tackled the guy himself. You have a group of kids that are playing hero ball, Vedral should have ate the ball, Noa needed to cover up the ball before his fumble, defenders need to be able to make the simple play before the spectacular play. From the outside in there are players out there playing for themselves, they are probably the best players we have, but they don’t make the best teammates or team. Trying to say place 18-19 year olds in to fix these issues seems simple but it likely isn’t.

Noa? We were behind and he was trying to get some more yardage.

 

[bigboxes]

It sounds like most of you are finding problems with the program. I was looking for things that coach Scott Frost could have done differently to win yesterday's game. I think it was winnable and we didn't. Do we really need a complete program rebuild to beat IU?

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

A loss is a loss. It's down in the books.

We have all sorts of excuses.

*young talent
*lack of player buy-in
*new system
*injuries
*OL suckage
*unreported injuries
*attrition

Obviously, these are games that Frost needs to win on a regular basis, regardless of having all the pieces for a championship team. He won't get to the Harbaugh level until he wins the games against lessor conference foes. What should Frost have done differently to win the IU game?

Ok it's crucify time. I just think we need to get wandale into space more and not quite so many plays. Maybe a little more mazour earlier in the game. Offense wasn't that bad. But head coach is in charge of more than offense. I'm not sure why it seems like we have players that just don't get it. I understand if you are not the best athlete. Can't do anything about that. But why do the same players keep making the same stupid mistakes every week. Out of position, bad angles, etc.

Head Coach Frost talks about players being accountable. Asst coaches need to be held accountable as well

 

[MOHUSKER]

Noa? We were behind and he was trying to get some more yardage.

He lost the ball when we were down 7, he had the first down and needed to recognize that he was in a crowd and had to protect the ball. 7 plays later it is a 2 TD game.

 

[Headcard]

Is that how the coaches do it? In private?

You think it is acceptable for players to yell and talk back to coaches on the sideline?

 

[Swiv3D]

If Frost continues to play players that do stupid stuff the culture doesn’t change. And it is no longer anyone fault other than the one that continues to put them on the field. If Starter A and B don’t get taken off the field for punching an opponent or having a heated discussion with the head coach, Back Up A and B have no incentive to “do the right thing”. The precedent is set.

I definitely agree with this, I just don't agree with the the idea that none of it falls on the players. Frost should bench them, and by not doing so is enabling them. At the same time, I can call out the players character when it's based off of something that we can all see on live tv and not rumors of what's happening behind closed doors.