What’s changed?

[Blueworld_3.0]

And instead of hiring Antigua when he hit the market, we stayed the course.

K hired Capel back for a reason, we should have done the same.

Cal has brought a lot of this on himself through simple pride and stubbornness.

^^^ THIS x 100000000000000!!!!
Cal MUST correct this in the off-season. Barbee needs to go and either Antigua gets hired back to the staff or someone of equal talent gets hired. Not because he missed on ZW but, because we haven't gotten the RIGHT players for 3 years.
Hire Antigua back and tell the NCAA to suck it!

 

[KyFaninNC]

Guys. I am not panicking over Zion. They won’t have much experience to help and unless Duvall or Trent comes back they will be hurtin.

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

Doesn’t really matter if they’re taking care of Duke. If they win the title next year, I’ll take no solace in thinking it’s because of Nike.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

^^^ THIS x 100000000000000!!!!
Cal MUST correct this in the off-season. Barbee needs to go and either Antigua gets hired back to the staff or someone of equal talent gets hired. Not because he missed on ZW but, because we haven't gotten the RIGHT players for 3 years.
Hire Antigua back and tell the NCAA to suck it!

This.

The NCAA has absolutely no power over anyone to do anything anymore.

 

[sluggercatfan]

As much as I can't stand K I think when he started going after the OAD players he started to get the elite guys pretty easily and moved Cal to second place. K'S name, multiple championships and the Duke name is winning out at this point. Basically he is taking Cals model and beating Cal to the punch with it.

"Multiple championships is your answer."

 

[rockout1]

It's clear that we have taken a step back in our recruiting. IMO it can be traced back to these four things:

1. The hiring of Tony Barbee / loss of Orlando Antigua. Simply stated Barbee doesn't add a lot to
this coaching staff because he is not a great recruiter. Coach O was the best of the best and he
and coach KP were a great tandem.

2. The change in philosophy of Coach K in regards to recruiting one and done players coupled with
the hiring of Jeff Capel. Let's face it, the majority of the "big misses" we have had have been
players that chose Duke (Zion, RJ Barrett, Bagley, etc...).

3. Cal's philosophy vs K's philosophy in regards to sharing minutes. It seems Cal likes to have a
larger rotation with players sharing minutes between 7-9 players while K's philosophy seem to
be to give his star freshman 30+ minutes and plenty of shots. I'm not saying either philosophy is
better than the other but it seems like the top 10 players are preferring more minutes and shots.

4. Last and probably the most controversial is that recruits see Cal continue to play kids that don't
deserve their minutes above other kids that do. Example of this is Diallo and Richards playing
the minutes they do this year and Briscoe last year. Duke simply doesn't do that...look at the
Bowden situation. At some point Cal is going to have to put his best team on the court,
regardless of their ranking out of high school and their draft stock.

 

[KyFaninNC]

It's clear that we have taken a step back in our recruiting. IMO it can be traced back to these four things:

1. The hiring of Tony Barbee / loss of Orlando Antigua. Simply stated Barbee doesn't add a lot to
this coaching staff because he is not a great recruiter. Coach O was the best of the best and he
and coach KP were a great tandem.

2. The change in philosophy of Coach K in regards to recruiting one and done players coupled with
the hiring of Jeff Capel. Let's face it, the majority of the "big misses" we have had have been
players that chose Duke (Zion, RJ Barrett, Bagley, etc...).

3. Cal's philosophy vs K's philosophy in regards to sharing minutes. It seems Cal likes to have a
larger rotation with players sharing minutes between 7-9 players while K's philosophy seem to
be to give his star freshman 30+ minutes and plenty of shots. I'm not saying either philosophy is
better than the other but it seems like the top 10 players are preferring more minutes and shots.

4. Last and probably the most controversial is that recruits see Cal continue to play kids that don't
deserve their minutes above other kids that do. Example of this is Diallo and Richards playing
the minutes they do this year and Briscoe last year. Duke simply doesn't do that...look at the
Bowden situation. At some point Cal is going to have to put his best team on the court,
regardless of their ranking out of high school and their draft stock.

That started with the twins. Cal played them more than Ulis and booker, then Skal.

 

[rockout1]

That started with the twins. Cal played them more than Ulis and booker, then Skal.

Good point.

 

[Calsthebomb]

This is embarrasing

 

[Calsthebomb]

We suck

 

[K_TIME]

It's clear that we have taken a step back in our recruiting. IMO it can be traced back to these four things:

1. The hiring of Tony Barbee / loss of Orlando Antigua. Simply stated Barbee doesn't add a lot to
this coaching staff because he is not a great recruiter. Coach O was the best of the best and he
and coach KP were a great tandem.

2. The change in philosophy of Coach K in regards to recruiting one and done players coupled with
the hiring of Jeff Capel. Let's face it, the majority of the "big misses" we have had have been
players that chose Duke (Zion, RJ Barrett, Bagley, etc...).

3. Cal's philosophy vs K's philosophy in regards to sharing minutes. It seems Cal likes to have a
larger rotation with players sharing minutes between 7-9 players while K's philosophy seem to
be to give his star freshman 30+ minutes and plenty of shots. I'm not saying either philosophy is
better than the other but it seems like the top 10 players are preferring more minutes and shots.

4. Last and probably the most controversial is that recruits see Cal continue to play kids that don't
deserve their minutes above other kids that do. Example of this is Diallo and Richards playing
the minutes they do this year and Briscoe last year. Duke simply doesn't do that...look at the
Bowden situation. At some point Cal is going to have to put his best team on the court,
regardless of their ranking out of high school and their draft stock.

Good lord after point 1 and to some degree 2 nothing on your post makes a lick of sense

 

[rockout1]

Good lord after point 1 and to some degree 2 nothing on your post makes a lick of sense

Good lord...bite me. Does that make sense to your dumb ***?

 

[ClockCalamity]

Our uniforms suck...Cals become obnoxious with his canned speech and kids ain't digging it

Uniforms?? How ra-tard-ed.

 

[mg721]

Cal has done as much for this university as anyone not named Rupp. He earned his spot and the right to work through this.

This has been coming for a while and some tried to address it. The system has had glaring flaws for some time, but it wasn't allowed.

Nike is pushing Duke, that's all it is. K was never the type of coach for these types of players, it completely goes against his record. This is a going out party for him set up by the NCAA and Nike. It sells.

Cal needs to go back to some basics in recruiting. The revolving door will not work today. I'm not saying pick 3 star kentucky boys so save the sarcasm. But recruit a basketball team, you aren't the pick for these top guys right now.

I've been saying this for a long time. The recuriting championships don't mean squat. Need more stability than what we have. This is ridiculous that we have no leadership on this team. Recruiting that many one and done is all about Cal and his ego.

 

[K_TIME]

Good lord...bite me. Does that make sense to your dumb ***?

1. Go look at UK's minute allocations under Cal...he doesn't play a big rotation of players. If you want to go back to the platoon year...that is the only year we remotely played past 8 players in our regular rotation.
- Monk, Fox, Bam played all the minutes they wanted
- Ullis, Murray were the stars and shot/played the entire game
- Randle, Twins, Young played the entire games and shot all the shots
- Davis, Jones, Lamb, Teauge, MKG, Miller won a title and played 6 guys almost the 95% of minutes
- Knight, Jones, Lamb, Jorts, Liggins, Miller...6 guys with few subs behind them
- Wall, Cuz, Bledsoe, PPat, Miller, Liggins, SF off bench and Orton...not a huge rotation there either.

2. Never a fan of Briscoe....but who should have played into his minutes either year he played here?...Mulder?
Who are you playing over Diallo this year?
The only halfway legit argument for Cal's minutes was Twins vs. Booker/Ullis...where are the other kids that should have been benched for others?

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

UK showed that you can win big with one and dones and then Duke went all in.
They have a lot of selling points:
Prestigious program
Prestigious school
ESPN has built their college basketball media empire around them
Nike has influence
K being K has influence

And here’s one that I don’t think anyone on here has mentioned. There’s a substantially larger African American community in Raleigh than Lexington. That could play a role as well.

Our selling points are big ones but they don’t overshadow everything else other schools have to offer. And duke has a lot to offer

 

[Codeblue96]

Anyone in marketing? What would be the new angle of recruiting a kid to UK? How could we sell them on us and not DUKE...I am not being negative by saying this I am really asking. If you were Cal what would you change and how would you pitch this school?

 

[rockout1]

1. Go look at UK's minute allocations under Cal...he doesn't play a big rotation of players. If you want to go back to the platoon year...that is the only year we remotely played past 8 players in our regular rotation.
- Monk, Fox, Bam played all the minutes they wanted
- Ullis, Murray were the stars and shot/played the entire game
- Randle, Twins, Young played the entire games and shot all the shots
- Davis, Jones, Lamb, Teauge, MKG, Miller won a title and played 6 guys almost the 95% of minutes
- Knight, Jones, Lamb, Jorts, Liggins, Miller...6 guys with few subs behind them
- Wall, Cuz, Bledsoe, PPat, Miller, Liggins, SF off bench and Orton...not a huge rotation there either.

2. Never a fan of Briscoe....but who should have played into his minutes either year he played here?...Mulder?
Who are you playing over Diallo this year?
The only halfway legit argument for Cal's minutes was Twins vs. Booker/Ullis...where are the other kids that should have been benched for others?

 

[rockout1]

Hawkins/Mulder > Briscoe. Good point on Diallo over the last three games because of injuries, now I would say Green/Vanderbilt minutes from Diallo. So you have a lot of opinions on my opinions...what do you think has changed?

 

[kyjeff1]

We will get that kind of talent but they will still leave. It’s what Cal’s built.

This

 

[K_TIME]

Hawkins/Mulder > Briscoe. Good point on Diallo over the last three games because of injuries, now I would say Green/Vanderbilt minutes from Diallo. So you have a lot of opinions on my opinions...what do you think has changed?

Again....not a fan of Briscoe but Mulder never was a really good shooter all made him out to be. Hawkins was a 6'1 guard....Briscoe was forced to play SF role in 2 years which was Cal's fault for not having a better option. I just thought the problem with Briscoe is we never were able to get a legit wing and played him due to nobody else could play it.

In the end...Duke is kicking our but on recruiting trail. The only legit argument I can see has changed is Coach Barbee has been 100% dead weight and after Antigua left the recruiting went down a bit and now it's down a good bit. Slice, Justice, Barbee, etc..all are way underperforming Coach O.

 

[anon_l8pbkn96tg3j6]

There might be something also to the changing social media landscape. A few years ago being inundated by UK fans on social media was new and interesting. Now after 3 years of being famous, I can imagine that is either a negative or not shocking.