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Knight Shift

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NJ is an incredibly expensive place to do anything. The amount of fees and extra support to have a fireworks display is probably eye popping. It’s naive and silly to think the school simply paid more for the fireworks themselves
And it getting even more expensive. The Gov just introduced at budget of over $60B with a host of new taxes and fees on businesses.
 

Retired711

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What I wish they would bring back is Lady Knight Football Camp. Because that was one of the best nights of the year, every year. (but it ain't happening. Greg already put the kibosh on that)
I wonder why. It cant be expensive to do. My impression is that programs like that are popular lots of places. And they pay off by helping women to understand better why their male partners are fans and to feel more comfortable with that.
 
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MrsScrew

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I wonder why. It cant be expensive to do. My impression is that programs like that are popular lots of places. And they pay off by helping women to understand better why their male partners are fans and to feel more comfortable with that.

actually, friends of mine accidently got onto a NJ transit train a couple of years ago. Ended up in the car with Greg & all of the recruits/families he was taking to NYC. My friend asked him outright and his reply was that with NIL the whole focus has to be on NIL & recruiting and Lady Knight Football Camp was the casualty of that process.

(my husband once told Julie that she should be charging the spouses $250 a piece with a cash bar, to sit up in the Hale Center to watch :ROFLMAO: )


it really was such a great evening every year:




 

MrsScrew

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I heard they didnt want to risk any major injuries which would have jeopardized summer vacations and the fall season.

One woman did end up getting hurt every year...so this is a possibility

(But Greg actually said it got cut because he had to focus on NIL & recruiting)
 
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DJ Spanky

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One woman did end up getting hurt every year...so this is a possibility

(But Greg actually said it got cut because he had to focus on NIL & recruiting)

Perhaps it's time to lobby Keli since she's put the apparatus in place to remove NIL from his plate.
 
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Caliknight

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I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote Ivy Zelman in a report. See a chart below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ environment has become worse, not better, except in Hudson County where mayors want building to happen.

Rutgers has authority to issue building permits, is responsible for fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

A workable fireworks proposal is do fireworks after beating a ranked team. That will reduce the fireworks spending at Rutgers.

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It would reduce it to zero.

Build the world you want to see I say.
 

Fat Koko

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NJ is an incredibly expensive place to do anything. The amount of fees and extra support to have a fireworks display is probably eye popping.

I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote homebuilder analyst Ivy Zelman. See a chart from the report below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ business environment has become worse, not better.

Rutgers is responsible for building permits and fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, not the municipalities, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

The fireworks compromise is simple. Limit fireworks to games when Greg beats ranked teams. Fireworks spending will be reduce very quickly.

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Caliknight

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I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote homebuilder analyst Ivy Zelman. See a chart from the report below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ business environment has become worse, not better.

Rutgers is responsible for building permits and fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, not the municipalities, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

The fireworks compromise is simple. Limit fireworks to games when Greg beats ranked teams. Fireworks spending will be reduce very quickly.

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It will be reduced to zero.
 

Anon1752533690

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I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote homebuilder analyst Ivy Zelman. See a chart from the report below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ business environment has become worse, not better.

Rutgers is responsible for building permits and fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, not the municipalities, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

The fireworks compromise is simple. Limit fireworks to games when Greg beats ranked teams. Fireworks spending will be reduce very quickly.

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You’re a loser.
 

fsng

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I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote Ivy Zelman in a report. See a chart below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ environment has become worse, not better, except in Hudson County where mayors want building to happen.

Rutgers has authority to issue building permits, is responsible for fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

A workable fireworks proposal is do fireworks after beating a ranked team. That will reduce the fireworks spending at Rutgers.

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So just get rid of fireworks then?

Sounds like a terrible idea from what others have said. Eliminate it until it doesn't even matter.
 

Retired711

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Imagine yourself a major league baseball executive. No team is going to win more than 70% of its games. So an executive can't control whether a fan will see a win on the particular day the fan comes. Instead the executive has to try to control everything else about the experience to make the fan feel good. Unfortunately, we're not We're not and may never be at the point where we are an automatic victory. So the AD has to work on everything else.
 

Fat Koko

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So just get rid of fireworks then?

Sounds like a terrible idea from what others have said.
The boardwalk and fireworks, while fun to experience, are not resulting in better ticket sales.

Tate and Keli have expressed interest in competing for championships. Let's face it, no poster on TKR - the world's largest source of Rutgers football optimists - has even attempted to argue Rutgers football under Greg can compete for a B1G championship or qualify for the college football playoff.

While Greg is still here, why not skip the fireworks expense and instead get ticket buyers in the stands by scheduling the best of the best out-of-conference teams. College football fans would prefer to pay for Rutgers vs Texas to a another fireworks show.
 
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Knight Shift

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Imagine yourself a major league baseball executive. No team is going to win more than 70% of its games. So an executive can't control whether a fan will see a win on the particular day the fan comes. Instead the executive has to try to control everything else about the experience to make the fan feel good. Unfortunately, we're not We're not and may never be at the point where we are an automatic victory. So the AD has to work on everything else.
Imagine being a Rutger fan. Aside from meaningless cupcake games, this is what we have watched at SHI versus conference opponents:
5 wins and 17 losses.
I don't find the games against Norfolk State, Howard and MAC opponents to be all that interesting. Watching Rutgers compete against conference in opponents--maybe instead of fireworks, there should be a budget for antidepressants?

2025:
Iowa: Lost 38-28
Oregon: Lost 56-10
Maryland: Won 35-20
Penn State: Lost 40-36
1-4

2024:
Washington: won 21-18
Wisconsin: Lost 42-7
UCLA: Lost 35-32
Minnesota: Won 26-19
Illinois: Lost 31-38
2-3

2023:
Northwestern: Won 24-7
Michigan State: won 52-3
Ohio State: Lost 16-35
Maryland: Lost 42-14
2-2

2022:
Iowa: Lost 27-10
Nebraska: Lost 14-13
Michigan: Lost 52-17
Penn State: Lost 37-0
0-4

2021:
Ohio State: Lost 52-13
Michigan State: Lost 31-13
Wisconsin: Lost 52-3
Maryland: Lost 40-16
0-4
 

Anon1752533690

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The boardwalk and fireworks, while fun to experience, are not resulting in better ticket sales.

Tate and Keli have expressed interest in competing for championships. Let's face it, no poster on TKR - the world's largest source of Rutgers football optimists - has even attempted to argue Rutgers football under Greg can compete for a B1G championship or qualify for the college football playoff.

While Greg is still here, why not skip the fireworks expense and instead get ticket buyers in the stands by scheduling the best of the best out-of-conference teams. College football fans would prefer to pay for Rutgers vs Texas to an another fireworks show.
I swear to God this chump is William Dowlings ghost.
 

Knight Shift

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I swear to God this chump is William Dowlings ghost.
No need for insults. The poster is just posting facts and suggestions. Posters like you are what is wrong with social media. Feel free to disagree with another poster, but no need to insult and denigrate them.
 

MADHAT1

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If the SL or anyone else wants to get in the mud, Keli is not someone to do that with.
Glad to hear that.
The Star Ledger would benefit the most in a mud slinging contest because the public would forget their BS being called out and remember the BS thrown at Rutgers.
 

MADHAT1

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No need for insults. The poster is just posting facts and suggestions. Posters like you are what is wrong with social media. Feel free to disagree with another poster, but no need to insult and denigrate them.
I don't like a lot of what FK posts ,but if he's posting the right information > respect must be given.
Instead of insults, proving him wrong would do the trick and so far I haven't been able to.:cry:
 

fsng

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The boardwalk and fireworks, while fun to experience, are not resulting in better ticket sales.

Tate and Keli have expressed interest in competing for championships. Let's face it, no poster on TKR - the world's largest source of Rutgers football optimists - has even attempted to argue Rutgers football under Greg can compete for a B1G championship or qualify for the college football playoff.

While Greg is still here, why not skip the fireworks expense and instead get ticket buyers in the stands by scheduling the best of the best out-of-conference teams. College football fans would prefer to pay for Rutgers vs Texas to a another fireworks show.


For what purpose? Excuse the cliche, but the fireworks are a tiny rounding error in the department budget. They may not sell a whole lot of tickets, but they seem to give those attending a reason to keep attending.

You know what doesn't do that? Getting blown out by extra powerhouse teams every year.
 
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Barrellroll

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Keli is off to a really good start. But getting into a back and forth with the media without having her facts straight is a bad look.

She is demonstrating that she is a fighter for Rutgers and loyal fans love it. The concern is this will not impress New Jersey folks who are not raving fans. This is not Louisiana where everyone is a do or die Tiger. Having lived In Louisiana the assumption from most residents is that LSU athletics can do no wrong. That is not the case in NJ.

A different approach toward the media and state is needed to succeed. Our brand most be sold to the entire state. Not just our relatively small fan base.
 

Fat Koko

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For what purpose? Excuse the cliche, but the fireworks are a tiny rounding error in the department budget. They may not sell a whole lot of tickets, but they seem to give those attending a reason to keep attending.

You know what doesn't do that? Getting blown out by extra powerhouse teams every year.
Rutgers hasn't played a ranked out-of-conference team at home since Notre Dame in 2000. I would expect far more people would buy tickets to a Rutgers-Notre Dame home game than any other game, even if that other game feature fireworks. Rutgers is not making the college football playoff any time soon no matter who the opponents are. Might as well bring in the teams fans want to see.
 
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Knight Shift

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Rutgers hasn't played a ranked out-of-conference team at home since Notre Dame in 2000. I would expect far more people would buy tickets to a Rutgers-Notre Dame home game than any other game, even if that other game feature fireworks. Rutgers is not making the college football playoff any time soon no matter who the opponents are. Might as well bring in the teams fans want to see.
Small problem with that theory is it may sell tickets to Notre Dame fans, but will probably further sour Rutgers fans. Over 5 years, Rutgers is 5-17 against B1G Opponents at home. Last year, I sold my tickets to at least two home games because I did not feel like wasting 6 hours to watch a 4 hour beat down.
 

Rhuarc

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Schedule a better home schedule, use dynamic pricing for those games to increase ticket revenue
Lower the cost of concessions to get people to buy more or add combo deals
Sell access to the best tailgating spots at a premium
Limit fireworks to night games when you can actually see the fireworks
Don't destroy the fields to ruin the tailgating experience

Just some of my thoughts....
 
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fsng

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Keli is off to a really good start. But getting into a back and forth with the media without having her facts straight is a bad look.

She is demonstrating that she is a fighter for Rutgers and loyal fans love it. The concern is this will not impress New Jersey folks who are not raving fans. This is not Louisiana where everyone is a do or die Tiger. Having lived In Louisiana the assumption from most residents is that LSU athletics can do no wrong. That is not the case in NJ.

A different approach toward the media and state is needed to succeed. Our brand most be sold to the entire state. Not just our relatively small fan base.

What did she get wrong?
 

Fat Koko

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Small problem with that theory is it may sell tickets to Notre Dame fans, but will probably further sour Rutgers fans. Over 5 years, Rutgers is 5-17 against B1G Opponents at home. Last year, I sold my tickets to at least two home games because I did not feel like wasting 6 hours to watch a 4 hour beat down.
Rutgers-Notre Dame would pack in more Rutgers fans than last season's Rutgers-Ohio, Rutgers-Norfolk State, or Rutgers-Miami (OH) matchups. Sure, 20,000 or so Notre Dame fans would be in the house, but so would 35,000 Rutgers fans. I'll let former Rutgers football players comment on what game they'd prefer to play in.

Notre Dame plays games against B1G opponents every year, with three of them in 2026 including at Purdue.

Rutgers needs to do something different to generate more revenue from football. Ticket sales is a logical place to start.
 
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fsng

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Nothing screams I am a dork, harder than these people on X trying to argue with an AD over fireworks expenses.

FFS get a life.

Bro was just excited talking to someone who lives on top of the earth's surface besides his mom upstairs.

Definitely bragged all over r/magicTCG about that sht.
 

mdk02

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Rutgers-Notre Dame would pack in more Rutgers fans than last season's Rutgers-Ohio, Rutgers-Norfolk State, or Rutgers-Miami (OH) matchups. Sure, 20,000 or so Notre Dame fans would be in the house, but so would 35,000 Rutgers fans. I'll let former Rutgers football players comment on what game they'd prefer to play in.

Notre Dame plays games against B1G opponents every year, with three of them in 2026 including at Purdue.

Rutgers needs to do something different to generate more revenue from football. Ticket sales is a logical place to start.

Pack in Rutgers fans or Tri-State ND fans willing to pay a premium to see them locally?
 

Fat Koko

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Pack in Rutgers fans or Tri-State ND fans willing to pay a premium to see them locally?
All of the above.

Greg 2.0 is coming in worse on ticket sales revenue than Flood and Ash despite huge investments in the Rutgers football game day experience, like the boardwalk and fireworks. The football fanbase is disappearing before our eyes.

This must change. The best way to do it is to have games people want to buy tickets to see.
 

DJ Spanky

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Rutgers-Notre Dame would pack in more Rutgers fans than last season's Rutgers-Ohio, Rutgers-Norfolk State, or Rutgers-Miami (OH) matchups. Sure, 20,000 or so Notre Dame fans would be in the house, but so would 35,000 Rutgers fans.

F' NO! Absolutely not. We already deal with Rutgers season ticket holders selling their tickets to other Big 10 fans. I never want to see ND in our stadium again. In 2000 those obnoxious bastards came here, and everyone bent over backwards to accommodate them. To the detriment of RU fans. I lost 2 members of my tailgate because of that.
 
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bigmatt718

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F' NO! Absolutely not. We already deal with Rutgers season ticket holders selling their tickets to other Big 10 fans. I never want to see ND in our stadium again. In 2000 those obnoxious bastards came here, and everyone bent over backwards to accommodate them. To the detriment of RU fans. I lost 2 members of my tailgate because of that.
FatGPT is a simpleton and is NOT an RU fan. Guy talks about RU spending like a crackhead talks about his next rock.
 

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Small problem with that theory is it may sell tickets to Notre Dame fans, but will probably further sour Rutgers fans. Over 5 years, Rutgers is 5-17 against B1G Opponents at home. Last year, I sold my tickets to at least two home games because I did not feel like wasting 6 hours to watch a 4 hour beat down.

2 losses were decided by one play in the final minutes. The only "beatdown" was Oregon, and they beatdown most everyone. Had those 2 plays been different, does everything become worth it? I mean I'd be happier but doesn't really change fireworks and things like that.

Selling to opposing fans is a big part of the problem.
 

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Schedule a better home schedule, use dynamic pricing for those games to increase ticket revenue
Lower the cost of concessions to get people to buy more or add combo deals
Sell access to the best tailgating spots at a premium
Limit fireworks to night games when you can actually see the fireworks
Don't destroy the fields to ruin the tailgating experience

Just some of my thoughts....

We don't play enough good teams? Really?

Before this past year we had a home with VT. Now we're going to have with BC.
 
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NotInRHouse

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One of the reasons I left the Oregon game very early was the sheer number of Oregon fans in the season ticket section.

The people that do it are proud of it, and think somehow they're spiting Schiano when they're actually spiting the players and the fans.

I was going to say "fellow fans" but not sure about fellow.
 

RU#1fan

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I know that. I have worked in real estate development for many years across the US and in three other countries.

"Builders that operated in New Jersey universally cited it as their most challenging entitlement market, requiring five to seven years to gain approvals," wrote homebuilder analyst Ivy Zelman. See a chart from the report below. Analysis is from the early 2000s but I'd argue the NJ business environment has become worse, not better.

Rutgers is responsible for building permits and fire safety on land and buildings the universities owns, not the municipalities, plus Rutgers land is exempt from municipal zoning. This makes it easier for Rutgers to get things done compared to other NJ property owners who must go through local bureaucracies - often corrupt, incompetent, or both - to do anything.

The fireworks compromise is simple. Limit fireworks to games when Greg beats ranked teams. Fireworks spending will be reduce very quickly.

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We would never see the fireworks again. Heck with a 27% winning percentage in the B1G we could save a ton with only celebrating victories.
 

Rhuarc

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We don't play enough good teams? Really?

Before this past year we had a home with VT. Now we're going to have with BC.
I'm only speaking from a revenue producing standpoint. If you want people to come to this early games without handing out freebies, they have to be good teams. Also, if you want to max revenue, look into a game at Metlife and do the numbers. It's not my personal preference, but if it can create revenue, it should at least be considered.