Welp
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Is our basketball program so bad that we can’t keep a decent player to stay longer than 2 years? Something is broken. NCAA...our system...our admins...something keeps pushing kids out the door early. What is it? And none of these kids have worked out liked they hoped. All of Howlands early exciters...have had to ride the pine hard...and are still riding the pine.
come back to school, kiddo. You will be a lotto pick, just like Perry should have been.
I agree, Dj is smooth as hell.....but he’s also soft around the rim. He will get eaten alive for his first 3 years.
k, I’m done stomping my feet. Also, I’m just ready for Ben to retire. I need new blood. This has been really hard on the ticker.
come back to school, kiddo. You will be a lotto pick, just like Perry should have been.
I agree, Dj is smooth as hell.....but he’s also soft around the rim. He will get eaten alive for his first 3 years.
k, I’m done stomping my feet. Also, I’m just ready for Ben to retire. I need new blood. This has been really hard on the ticker.
Kids leaving early or transferring in basketball is not unusual anymore. And as far as putting your name in the draft, you get a free talent evaluation by NBA scouts. Why wouldn't you do it? Whats is unusual is the number of transfers we have for women's basketball.
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Hasn't DJ been here three years?
And he's probably going to get feedback that he's not going to get any guaranteed money and come back to school for another year. I wouldn't get upset unless and until he leaves without a guarantee rather than sticking around.
Agreed.
But it doesn’t dismiss discussion and or the fact that something is broke. It’s about 10 teams that can outbid everyone else in football. We will never be able to compete with that.....
But basketball...us vs the NBA gleague?! We have to be able to hold some of these guys. Even if it cost us 50k. It’s a small investment that will counter act against an empty hump.
If howland isn’t going to roll his sleeves up, we won’t compete in the SEC....hell, we wouldnt be able to compete in conference USA.
Yes, DJ is a nice player...but come on....he went scoreless against Memphis’s freshman’s.
For a kid with few words....his Twitter sure had the sound of “he’s gone”
Personally, I would have waited to thank god and coaches and teammates AFTER I was drafted.
Go to the UK board and post this about their program. They can't keep any players beyond 2 years either.
Expand on that hot take for the board...I for one am not sure what point you are trying to make here
Wow, what mock draft is that? He could play overseas now imo, but I can’t see him being more than a G-league player for the NBA at this point. His handles lack too much.
It’s an evaluation that he can go get and it doesn’t cost him his eligibility, why would he not?
Transfers and players going in the draft are nothing new.
Transfers and players going in the draft are nothing new.
I agree that it’s not new. That’s not the point.
My point, it’s not working for us.
I’ll preface this by saying I don’t think that Stewart is making a bad decision, and I hope he ends up back in Starkville next year if he doesn’t get a first round guarantee (which I highly doubt he’ll get)
That said, the problem with Howland here is that once the legacy well dried up, his recruiting has been lower tier in the SEC. If you can get talented 3*or low 4* kids here and develop them, many coaches have turned that into a winning formula. However, what you can’t do is recruit in the bottom third of the conference AND continuously deal with major turnover. UK, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and Bama get away with it because they’re recruiting at an elite or near elite level. Howland isn’t
Now, if he lands some top notch transfers like DJ Jeffries, and he’s able to fill the gaps, I’ll shut up. The benefit of the doubt that I’m willing to give him has pretty much evaporated, though
That said, the problem with Howland here is that once the legacy well dried up, his recruiting has been lower tier in the SEC. If you can get talented 3*or low 4* kids here and develop them, many coaches have turned that into a winning formula. However, what you can’t do is recruit in the bottom third of the conference AND continuously deal with major turnover. UK, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and Bama get away with it because they’re recruiting at an elite or near elite level. Howland isn’t
Now, if he lands some top notch transfers like DJ Jeffries, and he’s able to fill the gaps, I’ll shut up. The benefit of the doubt that I’m willing to give him has pretty much evaporated, though
This is an NBA rule change and has nothing to do with todays' college players.
And another thing:
Why do you even go to college if it's not to get a career? I guess there are those can afford to go for enlightenment but most go to make money.
And another thing:
Why do you even go to college if it's not to get a career? I guess there are those can afford to go for enlightenment but most go to make money.
It's a no brainer to enter it. It's not a no brainer to stay in the draft if he is being told he'll be picked 35th. Much closer to a no brainer than I realized though.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...aranteed-contracts-at-exceedingly-high-rates/
Would really depend on what they are telling him they'll guarantee.
Hmmm. Thought provoking question. 30 NBA teams, 2 round draft, 60 available contracts.
320+ college basketball programs, averaging probably 2 grads and about 1/5 early entrant into the draft per team(60-70). So roughly 800 players hoping to get 1 of 60 slots. So what usually happens to the 700 that don’t get drafted or sign to play in Europe or Italy? They get a low paying job or if they are lucky some booster gives them a job that he/she promised if the kid signed with their school.
I say let them go straight from High School to the NBA, but if they go to college, it is the same rule as baseball, 3 years, or turn 21 before the end of sophomore year. DJ probably already meets that second criteria, so let him see what he can get.
So back to your thought provoking question. Which industry has more opportunities for a career and making money, Professional Sports or High Technical Degree? Not the one that pays the most. We know that one. But with more jobs needing to be filled. So, why do they go to college? If it is not to get a degree in a field where the jobs are, they shouldn’t go to college. Non-Athletes shouldn’t go to college either unless it is in a productive field where earnings and promotion are better for a C student than what they can with a HS Diploma. Baristas with philosophy, sociology, or English majors make some good coffee, but not a lot of money.
Would you rather we have players that aren't close enough to sniff the league?
That's the choice you have. Either we recruit and develop players who have the potential to leave early and be good enough to make money as a pro or we recruit and develop players who have the potential to stay 4 years and contribute in the final season or two.
Personally, I think that a healthy modern roster is a mix of both types of players. Some who should be good enough to develop and leave early, and some who can develop into contributors and stay.
You have an antiquated approach to recruiting and team management.
People go to college to make themselves marketable to companies.
A player leaving early to make money at their chosen profession is no different than a talented student being plucked to program or whatever for gobs of money.
The window to make money at basketball is small, why be upset when student athletes have access to that window?
Because he’s a fan of the school and wants the best players to play as long as possible at said school? You really not understand?
Im sure MsGF understands that as a fan you want the kids to stay and contribute to hopefully a deep tournament. All fans want that and if your team is constantly leaving we will never get it. But at the same time we want State players in the league being successful like our football guys. Of course they are paying college ball hoping to play pro. And if he was my son I would say find out what you are looking at. Make the jump or come back and work on your game, depending on the eval.
I don't blame them at all. They should be able to leave at any time and go make money, just like any other student is free to do.
But they shouldn't be paid while they're athletes at the school. They're already being paid by getting fully paid tuition, room, and special food. Most any student would jump at that chance.
But they shouldn't be able to transfer to another school and immediately begin to play there. Go pro, yes; go to another school to play? No, not without a waiting period. They're supposed to be student-athletes, with empahsis on the "student" part.
I don't work for free, and I don't judge athletes that do either.
My sophomore year roommate was a Computer Science major, he got a summer job, at the end of the summer, the company offered him $75k a year to work full time. Should he have stayed in college or taken the job?
Why are athletes any different?
I don't know about you but my education was not free either. Room, board, food neither.
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Players leaving early and having success at the professional level, in the NBA or overseas, is an indicator to talented recruits that MSU can get them to where they hope to go.
I want all MSU athletes who have the talent to leave early and succeed as professionals to do just that. It gives MSU a good reputation.
I want this path because it's realistic and not blissful hope and ignorance.
You really not understand?
Nice elementary retort, bud. I’m flattered, imitation and all. You’re quite witty.
I'm not sure what this has to do with turning down getting paid real money to do what you go to school for.
My buddy was on Scholarship, should he have stayed in school or quit to work?
If you're a lock for the 1st round you go. If you're going 2nd round which it appears Stewart is than you come back. It's only life changing money if it's 1st round. Those are guaranteed contracts per slot value at worst. However if you want to move up to 1st round you still must go get evaluated and start making connections with pro teams then it's easier to move up to the 1st round the next year.
By that rational, so was my friend. Should he have stayed in school, gotten his degree, and hoped he could get the same job 2 years later?
Who else do you think should not leave a job for more money?
The NBA minimum is $900k a year.
If i offered you the ability to live in a dorm and free food, vs getting $900k Which would you do?
Some of you make really dumb financial decisions for other people.
Sure go take it, but very few get there.
In basketball, many will go to Europe or the D league.
If that is what they want, go to it.
Very short sighted view of things otherwise.
In basketball, many will go to Europe or the D league.
If that is what they want, go to it.
Very short sighted view of things otherwise.
You act like he is not mocked at 35.We are talking about DJ Stewart, not Issac Stansbury.
And he can make $$$ in europe, they don't play for free there either.
And he can still come back.
And how is it "short sighted" to take the money now? Again, assuming the the value of his scholarship is $90,000 a year, he has been told he can get 10x that money next year. Or he can wait a year and might be able to do it again, if nothing bad happens.
If I was told a company wanted to interview me, they liked me for the job, and it payed 10x what i was making, I'd look into it.
If you wouldn't you are an idiot
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