Well...this is interesting.
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Whatever passing marks he had have been passed by lots of people including fitz.
More yards
More completions
More tds
Better completion %
Better pass rating
Same amount of INTs
Nicky Fitz >>>>>> way greater than Derrick Taite
More yards
More completions
More tds
Better completion %
Better pass rating
Same amount of INTs
Nicky Fitz >>>>>> way greater than Derrick Taite
I disagree. If you would have paid him and recruited him he would have come here and made a major difference. The whole “he was never coming here no Matter who the coach was” is ******** and just a way to make some of you guys feel better. Mullen straight 17ed up that class.
Kobe wasn't being shopped around like AJ.
Story I heard was Dan heard the number, knew the kind of guy he was dealing with, and opted out of the bidding war. Eerily similar to Cam (which I thought was a huge mistake at the time, but it did keep us out of hot water... gotta give him credit for that.)
In the end, Dan was always about Dan. Meaning, (1) he didn't suffer recruiting pre-madonnas; (2) he didn't blow wind up mama's skirt; and (3) he wasn't taking ANY risks with his reputation, with the always-looming move to a "dream job" out there every offseason.
That's the story of his recruiting at State. I wonder if he lightens up on any of those personal rules now that he is at a permanent gig. I would bet so, especially once his seat gets warm come recruiting time.
Story I heard was Dan heard the number, knew the kind of guy he was dealing with, and opted out of the bidding war. Eerily similar to Cam (which I thought was a huge mistake at the time, but it did keep us out of hot water... gotta give him credit for that.)
In the end, Dan was always about Dan. Meaning, (1) he didn't suffer recruiting pre-madonnas; (2) he didn't blow wind up mama's skirt; and (3) he wasn't taking ANY risks with his reputation, with the always-looming move to a "dream job" out there every offseason.
That's the story of his recruiting at State. I wonder if he lightens up on any of those personal rules now that he is at a permanent gig. I would bet so, especially once his seat gets warm come recruiting time.
This is one of those situations where it's proven true that just because you played college football, it certainly doesn't make you an expert.
You might have taken a few too many hits if you think Derrick Taite was a better QB for us than Nick Fitzgerald. Seriously. Get off the meth
It's the way of the world. I don't like it, and I see Mullen's viewpoint, but he pulled the same **** with Cam Newton and.....yeah.
He simply would not finish the job.
I mean that class had some big misses in AJ, Knott, and Lashley. But it's hard to say he 17ed it up when you consider all he signed..
Jeffrey Simmons- 1st round pick
Kobe Jones- Already making a big impact
Marquis Spencer- Great freshman year but caught behind depth. Will be big next year
Erroll Thompson - Freshman All SEC team and will be one again as a sophmore
Stewart Reese - 2 year starter
CJ Morgan- Looks to be a next up an comer
Jordan Thomas - Lighting up NFL Defenses in Houston
Tre Brown- Great 2 year role player
Cam Dantzler- Lockdown corner as a sophomore. Will be in the NFL in a few years
Greg Eiland- 1st year starter and already climbing future draft boards
Osirus Mitchell- I know we all had opinions on him earlier, but no one expected him to be a starter this early in his career and seems to be turning it around
In that draft class, we all panicked (myself included) and though OM was about to pull ahead in this rivalry. But looking back, I'd say we won that signing class. Mullen had a lot worse signing classes. But I would not consider this one a bad one
You don’t go full retard in recruiting. If you do, you get what ole miss got.
An anal probe that hurts the program regardless of penalties.
An anal probe that hurts the program regardless of penalties.
Dude, NO. I can't let this lie be perpetrated. Sure Mullen landed some diamonds but they always did that. He totally failed in that class because his *** was out the door. People talk about him job hunting but after 2010 and 2015 were the most egregious. It showed in the recruiting classes too. He left huge gaps especially in the OL, and then bandaged it with JUCOs the following year and we act like he left the cupboard full.
Meanwhile Ole Miss landed a top 5 class that is still helping them after half of them transferred.
And they absolutely would have pulled away had the NCAA not slapped them, and Freeze gotten fired.
I give the man credit for signing Jeffrey Simmons for sure, but it takes more than that to get to the top. We are seeing that right now.
This article is fantasy. Let’s just say there was an extra “incentive” for AJ not to take his MSU visit or in-home with Mullen.
Coach tried to set up a midweek, afternoon official visit with no response from the Brown camp. They couldn’t be bothered to drive across town. Incidentally, there’s a similar reason that AJ didn’t transfer after sanctions.
Hate Mullen all you want; he didn’t screw up on AJ Brown.
Coach tried to set up a midweek, afternoon official visit with no response from the Brown camp. They couldn’t be bothered to drive across town. Incidentally, there’s a similar reason that AJ didn’t transfer after sanctions.
Hate Mullen all you want; he didn’t screw up on AJ Brown.
Taite was a better passer in my opinion. He owned every significant passing record when he left. If you think Fitz is better then go for it. And no I don’t think I’m an expert because I played, but I did feel the need to add some context to my opinion. You can take it for what it’s worth. Plus I never said playing ball makes me right and you wrong. You might be a touch insecure though. See a therapist. And the only reason I mentioned my playing days is because the poster questioned whether I could even the name the QB I was referring to.
If you think the NCAA is going to investigate Mississippi State for recruiting and signing a STARKVILLE, MS kid then you have
for brains. I know you’re smarter than that.I’m a bit confused about your argument based on results. Ole Miss is on probation and in way worse shape than us this year and likely the next couple. We’re about to go to our 9th consecutive bowl game and look to have a solid foundation into the future. I’d much rather have handled things the way we did than sign a couple top 5 classes who probably never even get to a bowl game.
AJ was on our campus a ton his senior. More than once a week at times, talking with coaches, hanging out with players, in film room, etc. Then the money deal went nuclear, his dad was being difficult to put it nicely, showed up campus and things didn’t go like he demanded and blocked a lot of access from that point...Bama stopped or slowed down their recruitment because of things coming from their camp. The article is just AJ trying to plant a false narrative about what happened. Some of that is just outright fabrication and never even happened.
Uhhh, y'all do know the HC is only allowed 1in home, right? I said back then I didn't see how that didn't make it into the NOA OM got. AJ himself admitted Freeze saw him on multiple occasions and Farrar was there almost every day.
Both violations.
Mullen did an in home. Under the rules that's all he could do
AJ no-showed on Mullen a couple of times is what I always heard from “ my always accurate source’
A lot of holes in that story but yet some of the minions can’t help themselves by taking the bait.
The kid threw Mullen under the bus but seems to have no issues with the guy who signed him who is no longer around.
You’re making something out of nothing. He wasn’t on campus by himself. Starkville High prospects have always gone over to MSU as a group during their practice / workout sessions to check things out, usually after their light practice days on Thursdays. Doesn’t mean anything. Dude occasionally drove 5 minutes across town with his teammates to hang out on campus for a bit in a town where there is not **** to do on the weekdays if you aren’t a college student or older. Let’s not act like he pulled some sort of Planes, Trains, and Automobiles shenanigans to go hang out with our team / coaches.
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That prick that so many MSU fans predicted was going to get his *** handed to him this year, is ranked in the top 12 with probably the thinnest roster he will have at UF.
Cam Newton is a somewhat valid argument. AJ is not. AJ’s asking price was close to twice what Cam’s was, and at a much less premium position.
And, it’s not Mullen that wouldn’t finish the job. Do you really think he’s the one giving thumbs up and thumbs down to the inducements?
And yet that lazy bum left a roster you think should be - what? - 9-2 at worst?
How’d he do that?
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You would think Mullen would have run into him in the halls when he was recruiting 52.
Bug sounds like he’s a piece of work. I know the money makes it worth it, but I suspect most coaches loathe the recruiting process. Making a sales pitch to a teenager and his helicopter parents can’t be much fun.
He turned the program into a winner, which he said he would do when he arrived. So, yeah.
A was never going to State. Especially once Barney started recruiting him. He set LL up with a booster that it is proven paid him. You don't think AJ got the same and more?
Enough with the innuendo. Several of y'all act like you know exactly what happened. So, spill it.
How much? Who was the bagman? How does it work?
Otherwise I don't believe a word of this junk.
How much? Who was the bagman? How does it work?
Otherwise I don't believe a word of this junk.
mullin wasnt playing bugs game of selling his soon like a rented mule. mullin is always looking out for #1 and wasnt going to f that up over a local hot dog
He did come over by himself as well. Didn’t say he had to pull anything to do so but he personally spent time with the coaches and players out side of his team. He was probably at half of the the bowl practices, which was well after his season
Memory of Taite may be a little tainted by time, but they seem pretty similar to me. Both can throw a pretty ball, but mostly didn't, largely because they couldn't make the reads. The only question is if Fitz had a freak like Moulds to throw to, would he learn to give him a chance rather than air mailing the deep routes trying to throw a perfect ball.
I think Fiz to AJ would have blown up the stats compared to Taite to Moulds, but mainly because of how much better offenses are now. As good as AJ is, I don't think he can win one on one battles anything like Moulds. When AJ gets to the NFL, I think he'll be good, but I don't think he'll be like Moulds.
I think this is backwards. Cecil was going around leaving voicemails with people he didn't know from adam asking for money. We would have gone on probation if we had paid, even though it was a bargain price. For AJ, we could have paid whatever and probably been fine. His asking price was probably ridiculous for a WR; on the other hand, he was a stud at a huge position of need for us. Sometimes it's worth paying above "market" if somebody or something is worth more to you than it is to the rest of the market.
I have no problem with either decision. I'm pretty sure declining to pay Cam was the right decision, as I don't think the SEC and NCAA would have invented a loophole for us. I'm less sure about AJ, but I have no problem with it.
Freeze placed AJ as his #1 priority in that class just because of the hometown thing. He “paid” more “attention” to AJ than any other kid in the class. Way more than he was worth. Way more than MSU is willing to risk. Just ask around town. AJ’s relatives are pretty open with the whole scenario. It’s fairly common knowledge.
Contrary to the narrative up north, the NCAA requires hard evidence and/or on-the-record testimony to charge you in a NOA. AJ was investigated, but nobody was willing to confess or offer up proof. Same as Tunsil.
I have no issue with our staff for not getting AJ under that circumstance.
Contrary to the narrative up north, the NCAA requires hard evidence and/or on-the-record testimony to charge you in a NOA. AJ was investigated, but nobody was willing to confess or offer up proof. Same as Tunsil.
I have no issue with our staff for not getting AJ under that circumstance.
How do you know that AJ’s dad wasn’t doing the same as Cam’s dad? There have been some reports that AJ’s dad went directly to Mullen about pay for play. You don’t think that’s even worse than calling random boosters?
And another thing you need to keep in mind is that money in recruiting, just like in life in general, doesn’t exactly grow on trees. You can’t outbid everybody for every player. If we threw down say, $325-350k to get AJ, there are guys we would have lost out on elsewhere. And given our QB situation over the past 3 years, a diva WR is about the worst place we could have possibly blown those resources. And even under a good QB, WR is still not nearly the impact position in the SEC as QB and OL / DL. OM is proof of that.
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