Well lets try this out..college baseball history

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

All last season when we looking for a baseball coach, I remember very strongly the point being made that MSU
is a top 10 program in the country. Well with the finish of the CWS yesterday, I decided to try and devise a way to
rank the top college programs STRICTLY based upon the on-field history.

I started with purely NCAA Regional Appearances which we have 28, which a tie for 14th.

Texas 53
FSU 47
Miami 38
OK St 37
USC 36
Clemson 34
ASU 33
St Johns 31
CSF 31
Fresno St 31
Oklahoma 31
Arizona 30
Minnesota 29
MSU 28
Stanford 28

Then I figured the 3 key things to start with were # of Reg App, # of CWS App, # of National Championships.
The key next is to find a appropriate way to weight those values to make them meaningful. I was toying with values of 1-3-5 or 1-5-10
for the fields. Ultimately once I get an appropriate value there, I would love to then go back in and add a discount based on how recent the event was in range, 5 years, 10, 20 or more.

I'd love to hear some insight about the best way to weigh the weight of certain components and the years they happened
One situation I have come upon when comparing teams is Clemson vs Fresno St, using the fields of # of reg app, # of cws app, # of NC's
Clemson 34-11-0
Fresno St 31-4-1

You compare # of reg app, 34 > 31, different but pretty close; then you have 1 NC for FS compared to 7 more CWS App for Clemson.
How much should the National Championship be worth, and does 7 CWS and 3 reg app equal and pass it?

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

All last season when we looking for a baseball coach, I remember very strongly the point being made that MSU
is a top 10 program in the country. Well with the finish of the CWS yesterday, I decided to try and devise a way to
rank the top college programs STRICTLY based upon the on-field history.

I started with purely NCAA Regional Appearances which we have 28, which a tie for 14th.

Texas 53
FSU 47
Miami 38
OK St 37
USC 36
Clemson 34
ASU 33
St Johns 31
CSF 31
Fresno St 31
Oklahoma 31
Arizona 30
Minnesota 29
MSU 28
Stanford 28

Then I figured the 3 key things to start with were # of Reg App, # of CWS App, # of National Championships.
The key next is to find a appropriate way to weight those values to make them meaningful. I was toying with values of 1-3-5 or 1-5-10
for the fields. Ultimately once I get an appropriate value there, I would love to then go back in and add a discount based on how recent the event was in range, 5 years, 10, 20 or more.

I'd love to hear some insight about the best way to weigh the weight of certain components and the years they happened
One situation I have come upon when comparing teams is Clemson vs Fresno St, using the fields of # of reg app, # of cws app, # of NC's
Clemson 34-11-0
Fresno St 31-4-1

You compare # of reg app, 34 > 31, different but pretty close; then you have 1 NC for FS compared to 7 more CWS App for Clemson.
How much should the National Championship be worth, and does 7 CWS and 3 reg app equal and pass it?

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

All last season when we looking for a baseball coach, I remember very strongly the point being made that MSU
is a top 10 program in the country. Well with the finish of the CWS yesterday, I decided to try and devise a way to
rank the top college programs STRICTLY based upon the on-field history.

I started with purely NCAA Regional Appearances which we have 28, which a tie for 14th.

Texas 53
FSU 47
Miami 38
OK St 37
USC 36
Clemson 34
ASU 33
St Johns 31
CSF 31
Fresno St 31
Oklahoma 31
Arizona 30
Minnesota 29
MSU 28
Stanford 28

Then I figured the 3 key things to start with were # of Reg App, # of CWS App, # of National Championships.
The key next is to find a appropriate way to weight those values to make them meaningful. I was toying with values of 1-3-5 or 1-5-10
for the fields. Ultimately once I get an appropriate value there, I would love to then go back in and add a discount based on how recent the event was in range, 5 years, 10, 20 or more.

I'd love to hear some insight about the best way to weigh the weight of certain components and the years they happened
One situation I have come upon when comparing teams is Clemson vs Fresno St, using the fields of # of reg app, # of cws app, # of NC's
Clemson 34-11-0
Fresno St 31-4-1

You compare # of reg app, 34 > 31, different but pretty close; then you have 1 NC for FS compared to 7 more CWS App for Clemson.
How much should the National Championship be worth, and does 7 CWS and 3 reg app equal and pass it?

Todd4State · Jun 25, 2009

I can't believe that we have more regional appearances than LSU.

I think the things that need to be considered are:

National Championships- 5 points
CWS appearances- 4 points
SR appearances- 3 points
Regional host- 1 point
Regional appearances- 2 points
Conference Tournament Championships- 1 point
Regular season Championships- 1 point

Basically, I would use the point total as I have assigned it, and then just add it up and see who has the most points. The most you could get in a season is 17. For example, in 2007, we made a Regional- 2 points, a SR- 3 points, and then the CWS- 4 points, so for 2007 we made a grand total of 9 points.

The reason I made the Regional host only 1 point was because those are sometimes political, and sometimes the host isn't the 1 seed. I didn't do SR host because again, you could have two #2 seeds.

That's how I would do it, but you're certainly free to do it however.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

But the reason I tried to stay away from the "middle area" i.e. the time from getting a regional appearance to making Omaha
is because the format has changed so much over the past 50 years.
As you said now the top point total you could earn in a season was 17, but then compare that to any team pre-1999, and you could only earn 14 pts max
I'm very hesitant to throw in any conference championships at all, even though you discounted them to only 1 pt..so very small piece,because I guess I'm looking more at the post-season achievements which is what is the most important
when it comes down to it all. But the variables of conference strength and the fact not all have a conference tournament could really skew things out.

One other idea thrown out was to but more emphasis on the finish in the CWS, add a scale of pts in between for runner-up, 3rd, and 4th...etc
*edit( and yes, it is crazy we do have more than LSU, but they do it big win they make it.

LSU's line 23-15-6
MSU 28-8-0

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

CWS Championship: 10
CWS Runner Up: 7
CWS Semi-finals: 5
CWS Apperance (also Regional/Super Regional Championship): 3
Regional Appearance: 1

I would like to twist the data around sorta like this. Say a NC worth 10, and its worth is never diminished, but say the longhorns 2nd place now be worth 9, but say Alabamas 1997 2nd place finish would be depreciated from 9 to 7.2 (9/10's >5 years but <11 years; 8/10's for >11 but < 16; 6/10's for > 16 but <22 ; 4/10's for >22 years but < 36; and finally 3/10's for > 36.

To simplify that,11 years (1999-2009) is the period of the super regional format.
22 years period was from 1988 to 1998, when the field was expanded to 64 teams in the old regional format.
The period between 36 and 22 (1975-1987) was when Regionals were first created and different sizes and formats happened.
Before 36 years (1974 and before) was when Districts were the format.

SLUdog · Jun 25, 2009

that occasionally jumped into the top 8 for most of Polk & McMahon's tenure. I'm guessing like from 1977-2001. After Polk's return we have slipped to a below average SEC team that had occasional flashes. We won the SECT under Polk one year when we finished 7th (?) in regular season. We made it to CWS in 2007. What did we finish that year in the SEC? I noticed one time that we had finished #2 in regionals numerous times. If we had only managed a couple NCs.

thatsbaseball · Jun 25, 2009

in my mind anyway is the program`s upside potential. College baseball is far more important to our fanbase than it is at most schools and if we can get it turned around and start winning again it`ll gain momentum quickly. For many of us for many years it`s the only program we had to be proud of and the foundation is still there.

wbc40 · Jun 25, 2009

That one is a head-scratcher. Maybe a better way to break it down is to somehow determine when the "modern age" of college baseball began, and the NCAA baseball tournament began to take the format that has evolved into the current playoff we know today. I guess you would have to assign an arbitrary year (e.g. 1970, '75, '80), though I'm not at all familiar with the overall history of college baseball, save that I know the CWS has been in Omaha since the 1950s.

thatsbaseball · Jun 25, 2009

they felt they had to put some northern teams in the tournament and the Gophers were usually the best of the worst.

State82 · Jun 25, 2009

Go figure.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

is one I brought up as a reason why to diminish aged results.. their days of glory are gone by, no CWS appearances since 1977, and all 3 national titles are over 40 years ago (56,60,64)

I'm already working on this in steps and will post up some stuff as I finish.
First off will be a strict ranking based on my original point scale of 1-5-10 based on Reg App, CWS App, and NC.
This will show the problems with doing it in a simple manner, from there I will move to add more pt values for other CWS finishes, and then finally diminish the results based upon a time period.
and any other tweaks as other ideas come about.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

Reg Apps.
1949-54-56-57-60-61-62-63-64-66-67-68-72-74-75-76-77-78-
79-80-81-85-86-88-91-93-97-2004-05-07-08

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

We come with these results. MSU is 17 out of 108 Teams who have made it to the CWS
in a format in which I assign 1 point for every regional appearance, 5 points for a CWS Appearance, and 10 points for a National Championship.
110 Teams are list, as I also included ECU and USA who have made 23 and 24 Reg App without a trip to Omaha.

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align="right">33</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">33.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">105.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">50.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">188.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">5</td> <td class="xl63">Louisiana State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">23</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">23.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">75.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">60.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">158.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">6</td> <td class="xl63">Cal-State Fullerton</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">31</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">16</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">80.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">151.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-7</td> <td class="xl63">Florida State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">47</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">47.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">19</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">95.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">142.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-7</td> <td class="xl63">Oklahoma State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">37</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">37.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">19</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">95.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">142.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">9</td> <td class="xl63">University of Arizona </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">30</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">75.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">135.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">10</td> <td class="xl63">Stanford University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">28</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">28.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">16</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">80.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">128.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">11</td> <td class="xl63">University of Oklahoma</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">31</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">45.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">96.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">12</td> <td class="xl63">Clemson</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">34</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">34.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">55.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">89.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">13</td> <td class="xl63">University of Minnesota</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">29</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">29.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">84.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">14</td> <td class="xl63">University of Michigan</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">76.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">15</td> <td class="xl63">Wichita State </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">27</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">27.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">72.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">16</td> <td class="xl63">Northern Colorado</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">50.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">71.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">17</td> <td class="xl63">Mississippi State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">28</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">28.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">68.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-18</td> <td class="xl63">University of North Carolina</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">24</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">64.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-18</td> <td class="xl63">University of South Carolina</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">24</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">64.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-20</td> <td class="xl63">Saint Johns University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">31</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">61.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-20</td> <td class="xl63">Fresno State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">31</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">61.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-20</td> <td class="xl63">University of Missouri</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">61.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">23</td> <td class="xl63">Rice University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">60.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">24</td> <td class="xl63">University of California</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">55.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">25</td> <td class="xl63">University of Arkansas</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">51.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">26</td> <td class="xl63">University of Maine</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">50.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">27</td> <td class="xl63">Oregon State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">50.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-28</td> <td class="xl63">University of Florida</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">24</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">49.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-28</td> <td class="xl63">Ohio State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">19</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">19.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">49.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-28</td> <td class="xl63">University of Georgia</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">49.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-31</td> <td class="xl63">Texas A&M</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">45.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-31</td> <td class="xl63">Pepperdine</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">25</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">45.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-33</td> <td class="xl63">University of Alabama</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">17</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">42.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-33</td> <td class="xl63">Penn State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">17</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">42.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">35</td> <td class="xl63">Western Michigan</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">41.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-36</td> <td class="xl63">University of Connecticut</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-36</td> <td class="xl63">Holy Cross</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">40.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-38</td> <td class="xl63">Georgia Tech</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">24</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">39.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-38</td> <td class="xl63">Southern Illinois</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">14</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">14.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">39.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">40</td> <td class="xl63">Long Beach State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">18</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">18.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">38.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">41</td> <td class="xl63">University of Auburn</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">17</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">37.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-42</td> <td class="xl63">Washington State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-42</td> <td class="xl63">Seton Hall</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-42</td> <td class="xl63">University of Mississippi</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">35.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">45</td> <td class="xl63">Harvard University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">14</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">14.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">34.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-46</td> <td class="xl63">Notre Dame</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-46</td> <td class="xl63">Wake Forest</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">31.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-48</td> <td class="xl63">Baylor University </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-48</td> <td class="xl63">Lafayette </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-48</td> <td class="xl63">Boston College</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">30.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-51</td> <td class="xl63">University of Tulane</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">19</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">19.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">29.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-51</td> <td class="xl63">University of Tennessee</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">29.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-53</td> <td class="xl63">North Carolina State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">22</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">22.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">27.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-53</td> <td class="xl63">University of Houston</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">17</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">27.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-53</td> <td class="xl63">University of Nebraska</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">12</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">27.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">56</td> <td class="xl63">Oral Roberts</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">21</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">26.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-57</td> <td class="xl63">Brigham Young University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-57</td> <td class="xl63">UCLA</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">25.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">59</td> <td class="xl63">University of South Alabama</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">24</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">24.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-60</td> <td class="xl63">East Carolina University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">23</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">23.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">23.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-60</td> <td class="xl63">Temple University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">13</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">13.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">23.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-62</td> <td class="xl63">Georgia Southern</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-62</td> <td class="xl63">University of Massachusetts</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">21.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-64</td> <td class="xl63">Rutgers University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-64</td> <td class="xl63">University of Delaware</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-64</td> <td class="xl63">Duke University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">20.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">67</td> <td class="xl63">University of New Orleans</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">14</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">14.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">19.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">68</td> <td class="xl63">Texas-Pan American</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">13</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">13.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">18.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-69</td> <td class="xl63">Rider</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">12</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-69</td> <td class="xl63">University of Hawaii</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">12</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-69</td> <td class="xl63">Citadel</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">12</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-69</td> <td class="xl63">University of Tulsa</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-69</td> <td class="xl63">Eastern Michigan </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-74</td> <td class="xl63">Santa Clara</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">16.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-74</td> <td class="xl63">University of Louisiana-Lafayette</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">11</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">16.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-74</td> <td class="xl63">Bradley</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">16.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">New York University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">University of Southern Mississippi</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">Princeton</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">University of Ohio</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">10</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">Springfield</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-77</td> <td class="xl63">Yale</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">15.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">83</td> <td class="xl63">University of Virginia</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">14.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-84</td> <td class="xl63">Loyola Marymount</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">8.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">13.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-84</td> <td class="xl63">Creighton</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">8.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">13.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-84</td> <td class="xl63">Iowa State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">3.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">13.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-87</td> <td class="xl63">Indiana State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-87</td> <td class="xl63">Missouri State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-87</td> <td class="xl63">Northeastern</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-87</td> <td class="xl63">James Madison</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">7</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">12.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">91</td> <td class="xl63">Dartmouth</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">11.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-92</td> <td class="xl63">UC-Irvine</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-92</td> <td class="xl63">Ithaca</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-92</td> <td class="xl63">Saint Louis</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">10.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">Wyoming</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">Utah</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">San Jose State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">University of Kansas</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">Cal- State LA</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">University of Louisville</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">Michigan State University</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-95</td> <td class="xl63">Colgate </td> <td class="xl64" align="right">4</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">4.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">9.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">103</td> <td class="xl63">University of Iowa</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">3.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">8.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-104</td> <td class="xl63">New Hampshire</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">2.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-104</td> <td class="xl63">Rollins</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">2.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-104</td> <td class="xl63">University of Oregon</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">2.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">7.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-107</td> <td class="xl63">Syracuse</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">1.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-107</td> <td class="xl63">Tufts</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">1.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-107</td> <td class="xl63">University of Wisconsin</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">1.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.4pt;"> <td class="xl64" style="height: 14.4pt;" align="right" height="19">T-107</td> <td class="xl63">Colorado State</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">1.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">5.00</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">0.00</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">6.00</td> </tr> </tbody> </col></col></col></col></col></col></col></col></table>

Todd4State · Jun 25, 2009

My thinking is, a program like Minnesota that was great in a different era would credit for what they've done. But my thinking is if you're a program that's been consistently strong like Texas, in theory, you would continue to win conference championships, whereas St.John's in all likelihood probably has stopped winning them, and then it would come out in the wash and put programs like Texas into proper perspective as to what they've achieved over a period of time.

I think the biggest problem with this is the current format is only about 10 years old. And a school that has 12 NC's like USC is possibly going to look worse than a school like North Carolina, when that really shouldn't be the case.

Todd4State · Jun 25, 2009

Dave Winfield and Paul Molitor, who are both HOF players, and Terry Steinbach, Denny Neagle, and for Braves fans Greg Olson. Those are guys off of the top of my head.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 25, 2009

Texas will be at the top no matter what formula I put in of any kind almost...they have success in every area and on a consistent basis.
The only thing they lack of at all is the overall national titles held by usc. but the OVERWHELMING success in every other
area pushes them way by USC.

As far as programs as Minnesota and St John go, they are still winning conference championships...
I cant find exact details for years and how often, but I see St John won the regular season in 2008, and Minnesota won the Big 10 regular season 4 times in the past 10 years and the tournament twice.

As far as USC look worse than UNC, that would not be the case.. A National Championships value will always be the highest at 10
and even with just a CWS appearance counting 5, USC had 261..UNC had 64. (FSU had 142)

I respect your opinion because you know baseball. But have to disagree with using conference results. Should St Johns or Minnesota get the same respect that LSU gets for winning the SEC?

patdog · Jun 25, 2009

1. We are not, and other than the 1980s, never have been a top 10 baseball program. Sorry guys, but we're just not.

2. For most of the NCAA tournament history (up until about 1990) the regionals were truly regional. That's why schools like Minnesota, Maine and St. Johns have so many regional and CWS appearances. They never had to compete against schools from the South and the Pacific Coast.

GhostOfJackie · Jun 25, 2009

thatsbaseball said:
in my mind anyway is the program`s upside potential. College baseball is far more important to our fanbase than it is at most schools and if we can get it turned around and start winning again it`ll gain momentum quickly. For many of us for many years it`s the only program we had to be proud of and the foundation is still there.

It's a welcoming sign around here these days.

QuaoarsKing · Jun 25, 2009

That's the year the NCAA started letting any 8 teams make it to the college world series. Before that, the country was divided into 8 distrivts and 1 from each district would make it. That's why all those Northern schools and Northern Colorado have all those appearances. It's hard for pre-1975 baseball to be legit, because of that.
If you go by post-1975 only, here is the number of CWS appearances:

<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 123pt;" width="164" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <col style="width: 16pt;" width="21"> <col style="width: 107pt;" width="143"> <tbody> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 16pt;" width="21" height="17">22</td> <td class="xl22" style="width: 107pt;" width="143">Miami (FL) </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">17</td> <td class="xl22">Texas </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">16</td> <td class="xl22">Cal State Fullerton </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">15</td> <td class="xl22">Arizona State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">15</td> <td class="xl22">LSU </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">14</td> <td class="xl22">Florida State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">14</td> <td class="xl22">Stanford </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">11</td> <td class="xl22">Oklahoma State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">9</td> <td class="xl22">Clemson </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">8</td> <td class="xl22">South Carolina </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">7</td> <td class="xl22">Mississippi State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">7</td> <td class="xl22">Rice </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">7</td> <td class="xl22">Wichita State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl22">Arizona </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl22">Arkansas </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl22">Georgia </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl22">Maine </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl22">North Carolina </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">5</td> <td class="xl22">Florida </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">5</td> <td class="xl22">Michigan </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">5</td> <td class="xl22">Oklahoma </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">5</td> <td class="xl22">USC</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">4</td> <td class="xl22">Alabama </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">4</td> <td class="xl22">Long Beach State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Auburn </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Baylor </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">California </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Fresno State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Georgia Tech </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Nebraska </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Oregon State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl22">Tennessee </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl22">Eastern Michigan </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl22">Pepperdine </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl22">St. John's (NY) </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl22">Texas A&M </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl22">Tulane </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Cal State-Los Angeles </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Citadel </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Connecticut </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Creighton </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Georgia Southern </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Hawaii </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Indiana State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">James Madison </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Kansas </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Louisiana-Lafayette </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Louisville </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Loyola Marymount </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Minnesota </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Missouri State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">New Orleans </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Notre Dame </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Oral Roberts </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">San Jose State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Seton Hall </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Southern Illinois </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Southern Miss</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Temple </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">UC Irvine </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">UCLA </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Virginia</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl22">Washington State </td> </tr> </tbody> </col></col></table>
and CWS championships:
<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 123pt;" width="164" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <col style="width: 16pt;" width="21"> <col style="width: 107pt;" width="143"> <tbody> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 16pt;" width="21" height="17">6</td> <td class="xl24" style="width: 107pt;" width="143">LSU </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">4</td> <td class="xl24">Miami (FL) </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">4</td> <td class="xl24">Texas </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">4</td> <td class="xl24">Cal State Fullerton </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">3</td> <td class="xl24">Arizona </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl24">Arizona State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl24">Stanford </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl24">USC</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">2</td> <td class="xl24">Oregon State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Rice </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Wichita State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Georgia </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Oklahoma </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Fresno State </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1</td> <td class="xl24">Pepperdine </td> </tr> </tbody> </col></col></table>

wbc40 · Jun 25, 2009

Berryhill. Good God I love that '92 Braves team. Francisco Cabrera knocking in Sid Bream will never be forgotten.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 26, 2009

It certainly changes a LOT of things when doing it that way...
But it also changes it from being about college baseball history, to more of college baseball history since 1975, and if you wanted to do selective history why not
only go with the past 11 years since the tournament majorily changed to the super regional format with national seeds.

I do agree that things changed majorly between our first cws appearance in 1971 and our next in 1979.
But they should both be included in ranking the history.

I'm trying different ways to use the data.. as I'm about to repost my original model which was strictly, 1pt, 5pt, 10pt (Reg App, CWS App, NC)
But I flew the data is very skewed because of great success by some schools in the periods you mention of pre-1975, schools such as Minnesota and Northern Colorado.

I think my ultimate goal is to give more strength to the results of the past 22 years (since expansion to 64 teams) and diminish the value of the older results..EXCEPT
a National Championship. a NC is always a NC and does not lose its value.

thatsbaseball · Jun 26, 2009

attempted to field a competitve baseball team for years. Kinda like us in the SEC years ago. But the fact is they got in the tournament a number of times out of the NCAA`s attempt to keep all the regions of the country interested in baseball. Those are nice players you mention but overall they never had enough good ones on the team at one time to compete day in and day out. They used to have to come south and spend weeks at a time in the spring to get in a few games because they couldn`t play at home til probably May. They actually did a good job given their geographic constraints.

NavinJohnson · Jun 26, 2009

If a team is going to get points for a Super Regional appearance, then teams should get also points for losing in the championship game under the old regional format. Both are equivalent to Top 16. State has several regionals where we lost in the regional finals.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 26, 2009

No Offense, but please learn to reply correctly. I'm not in favor of giving points for Super Regionals because of the reason you give..there have been too many regional/district changes to try and compare and qualify their worth.

msudogsrule01 · Jun 26, 2009

I would add a negative attribute of -1 per season that you miss the regionals. And I agree, you can't weigh what happened before 1978 with later, as that is when all schools could advance to the regionals and the CWS.

Todd4State · Jun 26, 2009

for losing four straight SR's? (Bruiser to the resue).

Todd4State · Jun 26, 2009

I feel like a great program would have a lot of conference Championships- look at Wichita State. I think a school like LSU would recoup and get credit because whoever wins the SEC is probably going to Omaha or at worst a SR.

But, it does look like your formula works pretty well, so it's probably a moot point. I wouldn't change it if it is isn't broke.

Todd4State · Jun 26, 2009

patdog said:
1. We are not, and other than the 1980s, never have been a top 10 baseball program. Sorry guys, but we're just not.

And the thing that makes me feel good is that we've underachieved for well over 10 years, and are still rated so high. To me, that says that we have the most potential of the group in the top 20 to move up.

Fresno Bob · Jun 26, 2009

You must be relatively young. Before Bertman LSU was nothing in baseball. I can vividly remember whole weekends of thrashings of LSU at old Swayze Field. They were a bit of a punching bag. MSU was always relevant.

Todd4State wrote: _________________________________________________ I can't believe that we have more regional appearances than LSU.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 26, 2009

The key word there is the POTENTIAL of MSU

When we are winning, NOONE in the country can stand with us in support in sheer numbers.
As I said when I started this, it would be measured only on performance on the field..
as I cant think of an easy or non-opinionated way to rank environments or stadiums that are also an important part of a program..
and that is why even though our baseball history has slipped to 15-20 range possibly, with our facilities (which are starting to fall behind) and fan support (we will always sell 5-5500 season tickets),
I will still say we are closer to a top 10 Program and no worse than top 15.

MSU Baseball truly has fallen, I dont know if anyone knew this but check this standings out for All-time in the SEC..
MSU has fallen to 2nd place, All-time wins in the conference behind Alabama,
and is also now down to a 3rd place tie with LSU for SEC Wins All-time

patdog · Jun 26, 2009

Since Polk returned, we have become irrelevant in college baseball. We certainly have the potential to turn that around and become a top 10 program. But right now, we're not even a consideration at all on the national college baseball scene.

Todd4State · Jun 26, 2009

that Vandy is worse than Kentucky. But only a little bit.

Todd4State · Jun 26, 2009

they also have more SEC Championships than us. That's what was throwing me off. To LSU's credit, when they've gone, they've made the most out of their appearances.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 26, 2009

But still not that bad...far from our expectations. But many other programs in the Nation would take 5 regionals in 7 years, including a Super Regional and CWS Appearance.
But finishes in conference of 7th, 4th, 9th,7th,9th,4th,12th are as painful to look at as we only had 2 40 win seasons in that time period, which Polk went 251-168-2.

As I said, many other programs would take it..but frankly it makes me sick to add those numbers up and remember those years.

8dog · Jun 26, 2009

b/c Southern Cal has become damn near as irrelevant as we have. Northern Colorado is a joke as is Michigan and Minnesota.

Optimus Prime 4 · Jun 26, 2009

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8dog · Jun 26, 2009

you screw over teams that finished 2nd in the old 6 team regionals (the likely equivalent). you wouldn't have thought anything of those teams, but now that the format is just technically different, we think its a great accomplishment.

On the other hand, you could argue that adding Supers will give us that 10-15 year window component Im looking for since they've been around for 11 years.

Optimus Prime 4 · Jun 26, 2009

teams that made supers, which isn't an ideal ranking either.

ScoobaDawg · Jun 26, 2009

8Dog, I agree the more recent years should be emphasized more, and I'm going to try to do that.
I'm doing this in steps now that more ideas have come out, First off was the basic 1-5-10 weights,
Next, I'm adjusting a CWS app down to 3pts, and adding values for a 2nd place finish, 3rd/4th, and 5th/6th.
I will see how than looks for the top 25-40 or so and post it up for opinions too.
Next I'm going to add diminishing values by the time breaks I specified elsewhere in the thread, ...just to see how it changes things..
I greatly agree that USC has history, but is not as relevant as Texas, LSU, ASU, and teams that are at the top consistently.

Op4, No points for supers because I'm trying not to emphasize the regional play because they format has changed so any times over the past 40 years,
district, regional, number of teams....and then changed to the current format. Hard to compare the two..

Well lets try this out..college baseball history

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