Well, as always, I'm cornflicted....

Spartanhusker

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....I have wanted Scott gone all year, but MAYBE it's because I'm numb to all the losses, but I'm at WORST ambivalent about this news...on the ONE hand, what good assistants will sign up for a potential one year gig? On the OTHER hand, MAYBE we ARE just that close.....

no clue
 

RedBaloneyPony

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call me a loser but I feel better now knowing the future of the program's direction, I hated the uncertainty and I think it wears thin on players when they dont know who is going to be their coach in the future. I hope that scott has seen the light and can get this program back on track. He has got to cut Adrian loose, the kid just doesn't have the fire, he is tough and i give him credit for that but Id like to see a leader behind center going forward.
 

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....I have wanted Scott gone all year, but MAYBE it's because I'm numb to all the losses, but I'm at WORST ambivalent about this news...on the ONE hand, what good assistants will sign up for a potential one year gig? On the OTHER hand, MAYBE we ARE just that close.....

no clue
You nailed it-- the key is what "quality" assistants can be attracted when they know full well if Nebraska doesnt meet expectations next year Frost is gone-- and consequently, they'd be out of a job after a year.
 

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You nailed it-- the key is what "quality" assistants can be attracted when they know full well if Nebraska doesnt meet expectations next year Frost is gone-- and consequently, they'd be out of a job after a year.
What expectations? We go 6-6 and that is improvement. The expectations are you can coach at DONU after 4 consecutive losing seasons. I'd bet Tom Herman would come here as OC for a mil a year and think, holy **** I can take over and look at how low the expectations are... and I'm in the B1G West!?
 
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I am unable to determine if the potential offensive prowess is from Frost or the players playing beyond Frost and that is the reason for the disconnect. There are times the offense looks like world beaters and then come out on the next series and resemble pee wee football.

I think Frost walked into Alberts office on Sunday and had two options laid out in front of him, prewritten ready for a signature. It had to be this week for recruiting purposes and give the temp staff a time to communicate prior to the players coming back. This was set in motion after the Purdue game. Alberts protects the athletic department, makes Frost eat some humble pie, and gives Albert an easy out for next year if needed. It will be interesting to see if the new OC has any previous HC experience... (Reminds me of the scene in Bull Durham where Meat had to do EVERYTHING Crash told him. All he could do is shake his head and throw the ball, DON'T THINK, it only hurts the ball club.)

I am not sure if this is the correct action, but the foundation has been laid for a solid program, now we will see if it is Frost who is incompetent, or the staff was that bad. Time will tell.
 

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You nailed it-- the key is what "quality" assistants can be attracted when they know full well if Nebraska doesnt meet expectations next year Frost is gone-- and consequently, they'd be out of a job after a year.
True but they also know that just making a bowl games means their new current two year deal gets another year added on. This is a dream gig right now because you know you are getting good cash, for two years, fired or not AND you know the expectation is just a bowl game.
 

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The leader of the **** show has been kept. Right now that is the bottom line. Trev himself said if Frost was not a former Husker player he would have been gone.
 

rucker4

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True but they also know that just making a bowl games means their new current two year deal gets another year added on. This is a dream gig right now because you know you are getting good cash, for two years, fired or not AND you know the expectation is just a bowl game.
No coach makes a move based on "well if I get fired I get this".....especially a young coach who has high aspirations.

History everywhere tells us this will be a tough sell to solid assistants elsewhere today...this in no way is a dream scenario Nebraska is going to have to paint.
 

rucker4

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The leader of the **** show has been kept. Right now that is the bottom line. Trev himself said if Frost was not a former Husker player he would have been gone.
Stop making crap up or insinuating things that aren't true.
 
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With competent ST we are in a bowl game this year. With a competent line that knew the snap count, we are in a bowl game this year. With a QB that isnt afraid of his life overthrowing open receivers, we are a in a bowl game this year. With all 3 we are probably leading the conference.
 

Spartanhusker

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With competent ST we are in a bowl game this year. With a competent line that knew the snap count, we are in a bowl game this year. With a QB that isnt afraid of his life overthrowing open receivers, we are a in a bowl game this year. With all 3 we are probably leading the conference.
I agree...
 

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call me a loser but I feel better now knowing the future of the program's direction, I hated the uncertainty and I think it wears thin on players when they dont know who is going to be their coach in the future. I hope that scott has seen the light and can get this program back on track. He has got to cut Adrian loose, the kid just doesn't have the fire, he is tough and i give him credit for that but Id like to see a leader behind center going forward.
I wanted a different kind of certainty, but I am in this camp too. For all the shock and awe with the players, they at least now know for sure who is going to be there next year.

I am not optimistic that this grand experiment will work. And if it doesn’t, it will set us back even further. Yes, that is possible.

This will be a busy week or two for Frost. Fire several friends. Console them and their families. Console the coaches you didn’t fire. Console the players. Work with your boss through all of this. Begin process of replacing them, with the readiness to hire quickly if possible. Touch base with all your commits and hopeful commits, in person if possible on a bye week. Organize and lead your interim offensive staff. Gameplan for Wisconsin.
 

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Agreed on feeling conflicted with the news.

I've been vocal about wanting Frost gone, but that is in part because I didn't think the university would fire all of the bad coaches and keep the good coaches. I'm still frustrated that it took 4 years for Frost to finally figure this out, but I'm optimistic that they could potentially make a strong hire or two.

Assuming there's not a huge transfer portal exodus from the offense, there is potential for the offense to be pretty good next year. That said, I've thought something like that basically every year since 2018, so it's very possible (and even likely) that I've bought into the hype too much, and the players aren't as good as I'd like to believe.
 

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What expectations? We go 6-6 and that is improvement. The expectations are you can coach at DONU after 4 consecutive losing seasons. I'd bet Tom Herman would come here as OC for a mil a year and think, holy **** I can take over and look at how low the expectations are... and I'm in the B1G West!?
That's not how it works. When Frost goes, the whole staff goes too. This isn't the NFL where the owner tells the new coach that he's keeping certain assistants because he likes them and has them under contract
 
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I am not optimistic this is going to work either, but after essentially 2 decades of "wait till next year", I guess I'm a bit indifferent/numb as to whether my koolaid glass for the next 9 months has Frost's name on it or another coach. Next year at this time I think there is going to be much more consensus on the path forward and whether than involves Frost or not.
 

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Is there a chance this isn’t a one year deal? I guess I’m struggling with the logic. How can you attract quality assistant coaches knowing you have 1 year. At this point let him ride out the contract (as perplexing as it may sound) so you can hire quality coaches
 
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I remember seeing an article at the time Frost was hired that the average tenure of an FBS head coach was 3.8 years. Then you have situations like Ed O where he goes from national championship to out of a job in 21 months. Assistant coaches have even less stability. Not sure they can realistically count on a future beyond 12 months wherever they hang their hat.
 

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....I have wanted Scott gone all year, but MAYBE it's because I'm numb to all the losses, but I'm at WORST ambivalent about this news...on the ONE hand, what good assistants will sign up for a potential one year gig? On the OTHER hand, MAYBE we ARE just that close.....

no clue
Agreed. Special teams and OL have been a problem since Frost arrived and they have not been fixed. That’s, on Frost. I am hoping a few new coaches can clean up this OL and special teams mess. Unfortunately the captain of the ship is still here and all this happened on his watch.
 

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Our candidates are probably someone who is currently out of a job (ie. a Herman) or someone on a staff where they know they are going to get fired and figure "I can go to Nebraska and see if it works, if not, I at least have another year of income." Doubt any well-established coordinators are going to come here under these circumstances.

Note: Herman does currently work as an analyst for the Chicago Bears
 

steinek11

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Is there a chance this isn’t a one year deal? I guess I’m struggling with the logic. How can you attract quality assistant coaches knowing you have 1 year. At this point let him ride out the contract (as perplexing as it may sound) so you can hire quality coaches
I have no idea who he will be able to attract, but people in the know are familiar with every up-and-comer looking to upgrade his resume or prove himself. The life of a coach is fraught with risks. Anyone coming through the doors will have a guaranteed 2 year contract. And if this thing fails at the end of next season, it hardly falls on the shoulders of any single position coach. A lot of upside, not much downside really.
 

steinek11

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Our candidates are probably someone who is currently out of a job (ie. a Herman) or someone on a staff where they know they are going to get fired and figure "I can go to Nebraska and see if it works, if not, I at least have another year of income." Doubt any well-established coordinators are going to come here under these circumstances.

Note: Herman does currently work as an analyst for the Chicago Bears
I didn't want Herman as head coach, but he was a hell of a oc with Iowa State and then Ohio State. Give him one and a half to two million to rehabilitate his image for a couple of years and then move on to another head coaching job.
 

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HE DID SAY THAT?
Key quote: "There's not a lot of empirical data out there to suggest this will work, let's be honest. But I also think, if there's a decision point - whether it's football or anything else, you know, Scott's a brother, he's a Husker, and he's a Nebraskan."
 

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call me a loser but I feel better now knowing the future of the program's direction, I hated the uncertainty and I think it wears thin on players when they dont know who is going to be their coach in the future. I hope that scott has seen the light and can get this program back on track. He has got to cut Adrian loose, the kid just doesn't have the fire, he is tough and i give him credit for that but Id like to see a leader behind center going forward.
🙄

Just kidding. I agree wholeheartedly.

And before someone say posters such as us have Stockholm Syndrome, or something to that effect, I have thought this through from both sides - neither of which really have an immediate desirable outcome in the short-term, in my opinion. This one was just the most feasible.

I still don't think the buyout is what steered this decision. I know the money is there.
 

RedBaloneyPony

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🙄

Just kidding. I agree wholeheartedly.

And before someone say posters such as us have Stockholm Syndrome, or something to that effect, I have thought this through from both sides - neither of which really have an immediate desirable outcome in the short-term, in my opinion. This one was just the most feasible.

I still don't think the buyout is what steered this decision. I know the money is there.
I couldn’t care less about the money, it’s not mine, I’m only invested emotionally and it does wear on fans, we are somewhere in between the toxic later years Pelini regime and Smiley Riley cupcakes and sprinkles. I give frost credit for wanting to get this right, he looks beat up and would be easy to take the money and run, I like what trev said, when a decision isn’t clear, error on the side of loyalty, that will go a long way for coaching searches in future if frost ultimately fails next year. I have a hunch this will rejuvenate frost, new coaches, new concepts( old concepts, solid fundamentals would be better)
 

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Key quote: "There's not a lot of empirical data out there to suggest this will work, let's be honest. But I also think, if there's a decision point - whether it's football or anything else, you know, Scott's a brother, he's a Husker, and he's a Nebraskan."
wow
 

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I couldn’t care less about the money, it’s not mine, I’m only invested emotionally and it does wear on fans, we are somewhere in between the toxic later years Pelini regime and Smiley Riley cupcakes and sprinkles. I give frost credit for wanting to get this right, he looks beat up and would be easy to take the money and run, I like what trev said, when a decision isn’t clear, error on the side of loyalty, that will go a long way for coaching searches in future if frost ultimately fails next year. I have a hunch this will rejuvenate frost, new coaches, new concepts( old concepts, solid fundamentals would be better)
Regarding the money thing, I was merely pointing out that it isn't a factor. People keep talking about "saving $ by keeping him another year," as if that is the overall determining factor. And it isn't.

I think Alberts, et al., all see something good just beneath the surface. The fact that he is a former player and Nebraskan helps, but isn't what figured into the decision here.
 

RedBaloneyPony

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Regarding the money thing, I was merely pointing out that it isn't a factor. People keep talking about "saving $ by keeping him another year," as if that is the overall determining factor. And it isn't.

I think Alberts, et al., all see something good just beneath the surface. The fact that he is a former player and Nebraskan helps, but isn't what figured into the decision here.
Agree, here’s hoping to better times in husker land
 

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I guess I am surprised that anyone is surprised by this. Trev was in a no-win situation. He had to make certain he exhausted the "every chance for success" from his administrative position. The key issue could have been that Trev had not been there long enough to verify all of that and to install his form of support for Frost.

To me, this is all classical administrative/staff support with some twists of contracts of course. Next year is going to be massively heavy on Frost and his staff. No way around it, he has been painted back into the corner with support all around and everything pointing right at him.

As for the coaches leaving, I have been asking for some heads based on obvious poor coaching of technique but even I was surprised at the number sent packing. It simply had to happen and should have occurred two years ago, it was so blatantly obvious at least to me.

I will also continue to bang this drum, but Frost needs some experience in this coaching staff. There is, in coaching terms, a lot of youth there. There is something to be said for those coaches who have tested over time and can see what is going on in a nano second and not keep doing the same old thing and expecting different results.

In the end, as they say, the devil is in the details and so far, this program has not shown much attention to that. That, perhaps, is exactly where Frost is weak.