Was that the unexplained reason the side judge stopped play in the 2Q when we were running the ball down their throat and OSU's DL was absolutely gassed?
Week 3 thoughts
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Will do. I fast forwarded the tape through the timeouts, delays in play and commercials. Great way to watch a game.
It was very clear the big 12 officials were protecting osu. Let’s be honest.
Always the team that loses complains about officials, as I said in another thread , there were at least three very questionable calls against us also....the most blatant was when right after we stopped you on 4th down, we got the ball back at the 10, ran a play, then got a delay of game penalty.......go watch it again, they reset the play clock to 25 instead of 40
Both calls for ineligible lineman downfield were very obvious, they were both like 7 yards.............and, I do think you are correct, Gundy pointed that out to the refs, you guys had one downfield a couple plays earlier that wasn't called.........would you not wanted the Tulsa coaches to have pointed out that play we had 12 men one the field....it was your coaches who told the officials, you guys saw it from the press box
We all know Big XII refs and the replay officials are probably the worst in all of college football although maybe closely followed by Pac-12 refs.
Just for clarification, on the big pass play called back for lineman down field, he was straddling 3 yards. Borderline at best. That said, almost all of the calls against us(Tulsa) were plain as day correct and I saw a few we got away with as well. The officials were fine.
I also saw OSU hold literally every single play on the O line and none were called, maybe one.
Theyre just taking out their anger on an innocent bystander so they dont have to admit monty is the source of all of our problems.
I've seen several comments on the play calling early in the 3rd quarter and since I missed the 1st 2 1/2 drives standing in line at the concessions I thought I'd go back and watch the game on youtube. I took note of the 3rd quarter and here's what I saw.
1. First off we had a good mix of run & pass on varying downs through the 1st half.
2. We were running it down their throats late in the 1st half.
3. The 1st drive of the 2nd half went
Run: decent gain (if I remember right)
Run: Stuffed, no yards or loss
Pass: Incomplete. Inaccuracy by Smith.
Punt
4. Drive #2
Run: 4-5 yard gain.
Run: Stuffed
Pass: Not a great throw from Smith but catchable by Stokes with a 50% chance of reaching the 1st down.
5. Drive #3
Pass: 4-5 yard gain caought by TE, Carter.
Pass: Bad throw, incomplete.
Pass: Seemingly bad throw, flag for PI bails us out.
From here it was a mix of Run/Pass. We hit Crawford for the big gainer into the redzone that was called back from Brooks' chop block. We couldn't recover and punted.
In conclusion, it seemed Monty wanted to keep hitting the run as we were gashing them late in the 1st half. When they stopped us he switched to passing 3 times to start the 3rd drive. Zach was not the most accurate, but eventually hit the big pass to Crawford. We most likely would've scored after that play had it not been called back. Instead we punt, and OSU hits the 90 yarder to take a 12 point lead instead of us going back up by 1. That chop block was a real turning point in the game in my opinion. I don't think you can put all the blame on Monty. The play calling wasn't as bad as it may have seemed.
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1. First off we had a good mix of run & pass on varying downs through the 1st half.
2. We were running it down their throats late in the 1st half.
3. The 1st drive of the 2nd half went
Run: decent gain (if I remember right)
Run: Stuffed, no yards or loss
Pass: Incomplete. Inaccuracy by Smith.
Punt
4. Drive #2
Run: 4-5 yard gain.
Run: Stuffed
Pass: Not a great throw from Smith but catchable by Stokes with a 50% chance of reaching the 1st down.
5. Drive #3
Pass: 4-5 yard gain caought by TE, Carter.
Pass: Bad throw, incomplete.
Pass: Seemingly bad throw, flag for PI bails us out.
From here it was a mix of Run/Pass. We hit Crawford for the big gainer into the redzone that was called back from Brooks' chop block. We couldn't recover and punted.
In conclusion, it seemed Monty wanted to keep hitting the run as we were gashing them late in the 1st half. When they stopped us he switched to passing 3 times to start the 3rd drive. Zach was not the most accurate, but eventually hit the big pass to Crawford. We most likely would've scored after that play had it not been called back. Instead we punt, and OSU hits the 90 yarder to take a 12 point lead instead of us going back up by 1. That chop block was a real turning point in the game in my opinion. I don't think you can put all the blame on Monty. The play calling wasn't as bad as it may have seemed.
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There's holding on nearly every play at every level. Often it doesn't affect the play so it doesn't draw a flag, but if someone isn't holding they likely aren't winning the upfront battles.
The flag was for a dead ball unsportsmanlike conduct foul after OSU had held on third down which gave TU a new set of downs. That call would have been the penalty of the game if it weren’t for Brooks chop block a few plays later. Suppose they negated each other out in the end.
Penalties were not the refs fault.
That's just part of Monty's teams persona.
That's just part of Monty's teams persona.
Thanks for breaking it down. I think most of the board feels Monty should have tried to anticipate what OSU was going to do in terms of their adjustments and tried to take an early shot or catch them in that aggressive box loading by running a screen. As a coach you simply need to be able to anticipate that. And that dump to Shamari was there all game. Sometimes I feel as though Monty abandons a play or type of play if it doesn't work one time he tries it and that seemed to be the case with pass to the RB.
But even in your breakdown you can see where people had a problem with the 3Q play calling because it looked just like last season on the 1st couple of drives. I'm just wondering why Monty is riding Shamari as hard as he is right now. Last year seemed to be a better mix of Taylor and Brooks throughout the game. And I'd like to see Wilkerson get some more snaps...especially when you know the D is gassed like the OSU D was late in the 2Q. Being tired and then having to deal with a small rhino coming at you pretty much sucks.
Careful, you’ll make pats fan’s head explode!
I get the pass interference penalties...and I've said it before, I think it was part of the game plan. I don't like the repeated false start penalties. Complete lack of focus. The ineligible man downfield, after the 1st one you have to be smart enough to not have it happen again. We got called for it 3 times. The offside on the kickoff is another lack of focus penalty. Seriously, you know the kicker only takes 2 long strides before he kicks it...hang back a step.
Our D did a better job of not jumping offside this week.
Of course we also had to take a TO early in the 4th because our kicker somehow wasn't clued in that we were going to kick the football. There is a lack of discipline on this team and that is on the coaching staff as a whole. If I'm Bloesch, you get called for a false start, you're coming out for the rest of the series. There's no excuse for it.
Agreed. The PI's were good calls by the players/coaches. Except the one where the WR still caught the ball, I have no issues with them.
5 of the of the 9 offensive penalties on TU were in the 2nd half. 3 in the last drive.
5 false starts for 25 yards.
2 ineligible for 10 yards.
1 illegal procedure for 5 years.
1 hands to face for 15.
Curious.. i deleted my copy for space.. on those 3 drives were we running east west or north south?
Not nit picking.. if i still had the vid i would look it up myself..
It just seems like we tried to go laterally and abandoned between the tackles power game..
Again just curious.
I think that is Shamari. IMO, he was much more efficient as a FR because he hit the hole faster; right now he is taking 2-3 lateral steps before trying to turn up field and our blocking scheme is not friendly to that style of running. Seriously, Wilkerson hardly ever loses yardage because he gets on the OGs hip and just runs.
There was one play where I think it was designed to go off tackle and Shamari lost 4 yards. I think that was the drive that OSU got flagged for the unsportsmanlike penalty after the 3rd down as well. Noy 100% sure but that seems about right because we were behind the sticks after that play. This offense is better between the tackles and straight north/south running. Getting 4+ yards on 1st down is key as it seems to get Monty a little more willing to try some different things.
Here is why I have a problem with the pass interference....just turn your head. We had great coverage on most of them. Some hand fighting, but we got called because we wouldn't look for the ball. Some of those passes were 50/50 balls that there is a good chance our defender could have intercepted. I don't have a problem with the cb falling down and tripping the receiver to prevent the big gain, that's a smart play. So was the fair catch signal bluff on the punt, been a while since we saw those high IQ type football plays, a good sign we are seeing them again.
Alright, so I wn
Alright, so after looking at the video again, it looks like I didn't remember exactly right on the 1st 3 drives, so here's the CORRECTED breakdown, and hopefully it addresses everything.
Basically, 1 play where Brooks tried to bounce outside and was smothered. Taylor came in at RB for 2nd series. And Brooks was targeted on 1 pass play but dropped it.
2nd Half Series 1: Brooks in at RB
Run: 4 yrd Gain ran off right side of OL
Run: 8 yd gain up the middle. 1st down.
Run: 2 yd gain up the middle
Run: 5 yard loss. Ran to right side of line. O line didn't do squat. Play looked similar to 1st play of drive except blown up.
Pass: RT beat on a 3 man rush. Smith hit. Brooks catches tipped ball for no gain.
Punt.
2nd drive: Taylor in at RB
Run: Up the middle for 3 yds.
Run: Up the middle. No gain.
Brooks back in at RB
Pass: Incomplete to Brooks who went up the middle then broke left. Ball hit him in the hands. Had a 50/50 shot at getting to 1st down if caught.
Punt.
3rd drive: Brooks in at RB
Pass: To TE Carter for 5 yds.
Pass: Incomplete to Crawford. Mix up on route
Pass: Incomplete to Stokes. Overthrown by a lot.
Unsportsman like on OSU. 1st down.
Pass: Complete to Stokes. 9 yd gain
Run: Brooks up the middle for 2 yd gain. 1st down
Pass: Complete to J. Johnson for 23 yd gain. Chop block on Brooks. 1st and 25. 38 yard swing right there.
Run: Brooks tried to bounce out to left. 2 yd loss.
Pass: Incomplete to Crawford.
Pass: Complete to Montgomery for 10 yd gain.
Punt.
Game Over.
Alright, so after looking at the video again, it looks like I didn't remember exactly right on the 1st 3 drives, so here's the CORRECTED breakdown, and hopefully it addresses everything.
Basically, 1 play where Brooks tried to bounce outside and was smothered. Taylor came in at RB for 2nd series. And Brooks was targeted on 1 pass play but dropped it.
2nd Half Series 1: Brooks in at RB
Run: 4 yrd Gain ran off right side of OL
Run: 8 yd gain up the middle. 1st down.
Run: 2 yd gain up the middle
Run: 5 yard loss. Ran to right side of line. O line didn't do squat. Play looked similar to 1st play of drive except blown up.
Pass: RT beat on a 3 man rush. Smith hit. Brooks catches tipped ball for no gain.
Punt.
2nd drive: Taylor in at RB
Run: Up the middle for 3 yds.
Run: Up the middle. No gain.
Brooks back in at RB
Pass: Incomplete to Brooks who went up the middle then broke left. Ball hit him in the hands. Had a 50/50 shot at getting to 1st down if caught.
Punt.
3rd drive: Brooks in at RB
Pass: To TE Carter for 5 yds.
Pass: Incomplete to Crawford. Mix up on route
Pass: Incomplete to Stokes. Overthrown by a lot.
Unsportsman like on OSU. 1st down.
Pass: Complete to Stokes. 9 yd gain
Run: Brooks up the middle for 2 yd gain. 1st down
Pass: Complete to J. Johnson for 23 yd gain. Chop block on Brooks. 1st and 25. 38 yard swing right there.
Run: Brooks tried to bounce out to left. 2 yd loss.
Pass: Incomplete to Crawford.
Pass: Complete to Montgomery for 10 yd gain.
Punt.
Game Over.
Seeing a DB in tight coverage with the WR looking back but, not the the DB, absolutely makes me want to scream.
In fact, since you reminded me, I did say fairly loud, "look for the phucking ball!"
So yea, you're 100% right on those!
You negate speed by hitting the holes dead on.. straight forward power blocking.. it wears down defenses, forces more defenders into the box and opens up passing.. not to mention it burns clock and keeps the other guys offense off the field..
Everyone hates 17-14 games these days.. but ball control, ground pounding running games are beautiful to behold..
Couldn't agree more. If TU went 13-0 and won every game 17-14 I don't know how many of us on here would complain...maybe Original and Maverick. And Aston would blame Haith for the football team not scoring enough points
This is the one I have referenced a few times. Only reason LB was anywhere near Brooks was because Brooks stopped after he dropped the pass. Pretty sure Brooks would have gained about 30 on that play as the 2 WRs on that side ran deep routes and the entire side of the field underneath was wide open.
Ok, I gotcha. It makes me wonder if Monty just decided not to call that play again or if the blitzes OSU was bringing kept the RBs in pass blocking where they couldn't be used as recievers?
I think he seriously stopped calling it because of the drop. He runs away from plays like that when it doesn't work once. And everyone knows you beat a blitz by catching them in their aggressiveness with this type of play.