We are not monkey's.

castlesl

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Jimmie the greek got fired for saying this in the early 70s

till later: "I'm telling you that the black is the better athlete and he practices to be the better athlete and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes all the way to the Civil War when, during the slave trading, the owner, the slave owner, would breed his big woman so that he would have a big black kid, see. That's where it all started

Howard Cossell called the WR for the Washington Redskins , " a little Monkey" on MNF but did not get fired

Jimmie didn’t get fired until the late 80’s and it was because he decided to opine (on live TV) about the breeding practices of past slave holders as the reason African Americans were larger and faster than the average white Joe.

Personally I think it was something that shouldn’t have completely ended his career. It was a colossal mistake on his part no doubt.

He wasn’t incorrect about the reality of forced breeding for a desired outcome. However, it wasn’t something he should have been commenting on, likely at all, but most certainly in that setting and off the cuff as if he is talking about a ham sandwich he had last week at the deli.

The brutality and evilness of the institution of slavery and the practices around it aren’t something to wade into on a whim, particularly on live TV in front of millions.
 
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tigerworx

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Jimmie didn’t get fired until the late 80’s and it was because he decided to opine (on live TV) about the breeding practices of past slave holders as the reason African Americans were larger and faster than the average white Joe.

Personally I think it was something that shouldn’t have completely ended his career. It was a colossal mistake on his part no doubt.

He wasn’t incorrect about the reality of forced breeding for a desired outcome. However, it wasn’t something he should have been commenting on, likely at all, but most certainly in that setting and off the cuff as if he is talking about a ham sandwich he had last week at the deli.

The brutality and evilness of the institution of slavery and the practices around it aren’t something to wade into on a whim, particularly on live TV in front of millions.
I doubt anyone does not agree with your premise.
I don't.

I don't agree with your huggy, feely way of presenting facts.... or your preferred way of presenting facts.

Just what should (ding ding ding) the 'proper listen up phrase' be when someone chooses to or is asked to comment on the Holocaust? Should we have "disclaimer" cards that the stupid stuff put on a 'potentially unsettling" scenes on TV? Just deny it ever happened (as some fools do)?

There's far too many folks out there.....thinking you are not one....who want to re-write history.
Let's sweep the uncomfortable stuff under the rug.
Don't talk about it, lie about it if you must, but make it 'better than it was' or make it go away.

If there's one thing about the Bible that I admire....and there is too much to list..... is that IF I were gonna make up the stories in the Bible (they are not made up), I shirley would not have told a WHOLE LOT of the history therein. Some of it is very sad, but real life.

I'm sorry there was slavery in America.
I'm sorry there is STILL slavery in the world today. TODAY!

I hate we had WWI and WWII..... but we did.

What Jimmy said is and was true.
Was his delivery bad?

How 'bout the guy quoting Snoop?

What the hell has happened to America?


THIS type of crap is what has happened to 'Merica.

Truth is truth.
History is history.

Learn it.
Learn from it.
Don't hide from it because some/much of it is uncomfortable.


Do better.
 
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jeffcoat

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Jimmie didn’t get fired until the late 80’s and it was because he decided to opine (on live TV) about the breeding practices of past slave holders as the reason African Americans were larger and faster than the average white Joe.

Personally I think it was something that shouldn’t have completely ended his career. It was a colossal mistake on his part no doubt.

He wasn’t incorrect about the reality of forced breeding for a desired outcome. However, it wasn’t something he should have been commenting on, likely at all, but most certainly in that setting and off the cuff as if he is talking about a ham sandwich he had last week at the deli.

The brutality and evilness of the institution of slavery and the practices around it aren’t something to wade into on a whim, particularly on live TV in front of millions.
Correct......

In January 1988, Snyder was fired by CBS after he made comments suggesting that breeding practices during slavery had led African-Americans to become superior athletes.
 

tigerGUY

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because most folks don't know better
and
most folks don't care

about much

other
than
themselves.

This person, I am obviously excluding, but appreciate their bringing attention to same.
Most don't understand the differences.
 
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castlesl

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I doubt anyone does not agree with your premise.
I don't.

I don't agree with your huggy, feely way of presenting facts.... or your preferred way of presenting facts.

Just what should (ding ding ding) the 'proper listen up phrase' be when someone chooses to or is asked to comment on the Holocaust? Should we have "disclaimer" cards that the stupid stuff put on a 'potentially unsettling" scenes on TV? Just deny it ever happened (as some fools do)?

There's far too many folks out there.....thinking you are not one....who want to re-write history.
Let's sweep the uncomfortable stuff under the rug.
Don't talk about it, lie about it if you must, but make it 'better than it was' or make it go away.

If there's one thing about the Bible that I admire....and there is too much to list..... is that IF I were gonna make up the stories in the Bible (they are not made up), I shirley would not have told a WHOLE LOT of the history therein. Some of it is very sad, but real life.

I'm sorry there was slavery in America.
I'm sorry there is STILL slavery in the world today. TODAY!

I hate we had WWI and WWII..... but we did.

What Jimmy said is and was true.
Was his delivery bad?

How 'bout the guy quoting Snoop?

What the hell has happened to America?


THIS type of crap is what has happened to 'Merica.

Truth is truth.
History is history.

Learn it.
Learn from it.
Don't hide from it because some/much of it is uncomfortable.


Do better.

You are certainly free to disagree. I voiced my opinion and I stand by it.

There are many topics you just don’t talk about in a public setting, much less on TV, with out the proper context and understanding that the audience wants and needs to hear the subject matter.

It can be facts around a dark period of time, or something sexual that isn’t really appropriate for the venue or some other subject matter.

When providing color for a football game, discussing the breeding patterns of former slave traders simply isn’t kosher, anymore than talking about the sexual position you and your wife tried the other night because you saw a football player in an awkward and similar position while he was being tackled.

Would it be acceptable to suggest that an underweight football player reminded you of an emaciated Jew right before they were led to the gas chamber? It’s a fact that many were nothing but skin and bones, so I guess it is ok?

I am not suggesting the facts are not what they are about any number of subjects. It isn’t an attempt to rewrite history. It is an attempt to align the setting and context for those facts to be shared in a manner that is is appropriate and purposeful; providing color for a sporting broadcast isn’t it.
 

catchandrelease

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Every post of yours is like a day late and already been hashed out. That’s a you problem
I have not seen what I said posted before. Watch your grammar or the English majors on this board will correct you. Tata for now.
 

tigerworx

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You are certainly free to disagree. I voiced my opinion and I stand by it.

There are many topics you just don’t talk about in a public setting, much less on TV, with out the proper context and understanding that the audience wants and needs to hear the subject matter.

It can be facts around a dark period of time, or something sexual that isn’t really appropriate for the venue or some other subject matter.

When providing color for a football game, discussing the breeding patterns of former slave traders simply isn’t kosher, anymore than talking about the sexual position you and your wife tried the other night because you saw a football player in an awkward and similar position while he was being tackled.

Would it be acceptable to suggest that an underweight football player reminded you of an emaciated Jew right before they were led to the gas chamber? It’s a fact that many were nothing but skin and bones, so I guess it is ok?

I am not suggesting the facts are not what they are about any number of subjects. It isn’t an attempt to rewrite history. It is an attempt to align the setting and context for those facts to be shared in a manner that is is appropriate and purposeful; providing color for a sporting broadcast isn’t it.
Very well said, and accurate.

Your eloquent response is much appreciated, and easily a teachable moment.

I respect your position, as I stated.
However, you are much better at finding and expressing the middle ground.

Cheers, Sir.
 

TooterTownTiger

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Never knew me and ole Dawn had so much in common. I, for the record, am not a monkey either. Feels good to get that off my chest.
 

dbowers2008

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To me it comes across that DS feels that way about her girls. She’s an embarrassment and should be made to apologize but we know that won’t happen.
 

tigerbean

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SIAP but back to OP’s query, did someone in the media use the term “monkeys” at any point to merit that coach using it to take away from Iowa’s win?
 
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LUV DEM TIGERS

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SIAP but back to OP’s query, did someone in the media use the term “monkeys” at any point to merit that coach using it to take away from Iowa’s win?
With Dawn Staley, and really any black person, who is going to question it? They would be labeled a racist. Heck, she was never even questioned about the BYU thing when it was determined to be a hoax.
 
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Jimmie the greek got fired for saying this in the early 70s

till later: "I'm telling you that the black is the better athlete and he practices to be the better athlete and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes all the way to the Civil War when, during the slave trading, the owner, the slave owner, would breed his big woman so that he would have a big black kid, see. That's where it all started

Howard Cossell called the WR for the Washington Redskins , " a little Monkey" on MNF but did not get fired
It was Cossell's last year doing MNF.
 

Statepawdog

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No black person with an once of decency believed the Duke player lied.
Staley’s lying. Just like the Duke volleyball player that falsely accused a fan from BYU of using a racial slur - and Staley immediately supported the lie.